GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

[baltolady]

If SH's kids were victims, their moms FB probably wouldn't still be up, and it is.

Speaking of FB, SH's brother just announced on his own feed that the house in question belongs to him, and not to sh, who has been renting it from him. He was complaining that it's going to take him a lot of time and money to get the perps' stuff out of there.

That is interesting (brother being the property owner) considering the fact SH was building quite elaborate and heavy-duty appearing trusses in either the second floor of the house or an outbuilding. The 'before' pictures were of a (imo) neglected, abandoned second floor. This was on his FB a few days ago. Just from the pictures, I would imagine it could have been the soundproof room. JMO, MOO Those poor girls and any/all other victims of this sick duo. At least they will not be able to harm any other children.

 

[necco]

This couple is starting to remind me of that Canadian couple… Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo.

 

[Abigail]

A puppy was used to lure the girls into the car.

NV was approved as a substitute teacher in the district, but she apparently never subbed at Colton-Pierrepont -- her own school.

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140819/NEWS05/140818797

 

[human]

So far, no one's mentioned they had any inkling. One neighbor said he had an "eerie" feeling -- but didn't explain -- and it might have just been one of "feelings" in retrospect, if you know what I mean. Certainly the ex-wife seemed completely in the dark -- and she was living in the community.

As far as hoarding and junk all around, that just made me laugh when I read that:great: -- I'm not personally a hoarder, but I know plenty of folks who are, close family members and close friends, but that seems more due to insecurities or over-sentimentality or lack of self-discipline maybe, not anything to do with the urge to harm children.

Are they well to do enough to have someone pick up their property?

To me having a house with holes in it and broken down junk all over the yard when you are able bodied says, "Issues."

I don't know anyone where I live who has broken down junk all over their yard that does not have issues. But then again, I don't know everyone. And I do not mean people like the elderly who cannot pick up their stuff.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

So far, no one's mentioned they had any inkling. One neighbor said he had an "eerie" feeling -- but didn't explain -- and it might have just been one of "feelings" in retrospect, if you know what I mean. Certainly the ex-wife seemed completely in the dark -- and she was living in the community.

As far as hoarding and junk all around, that just made me laugh when I read that:great: -- I'm not personally a hoarder, but I know plenty of folks who are, close family members and close friends, but that seems more due to insecurities or over-sentimentality or lack of self-discipline maybe, not anything to do with the urge to harm children.

BBM

Just to clarify, the ex does not live in Hermon, but in another community about 12-13 miles north. Out of concern for her privacy I won't post a link, but if someone needs verification, I can be PM'd.

Also, your point about the property is a good one. In fact, most hoarders, while sentimental or distracted to a fault, tend to be fairly 'benign' as far as community safety is concerned. IOW, generally speaking, the threat to community safety is more of a passive-aggressive nature (weeds, trash, vermin, the occasional unnoticed dead body in the bedroom...) than active-aggressive (kidnapper/child abuser).

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

A puppy was used to lure the girls into the car.

NV was approved as a substitute teacher in the district, but she apparently never subbed at Colton-Pierrepont -- her own school.

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140819/NEWS05/140818797

"The article requested cannot be found! Please refresh your browser or go back. (WD,20140819,NEWS05,140818797,AR)." :/ That was quick...

 

[necco]

BBM

Just to clarify, the ex does not live in Hermon, but in another community about 12-13 miles north.

Also, your point about the property is a good one. In fact, most hoarders, while sentimental or distracted to a fault, tend to be fairly 'benign' as far as community safety is concerned. IOW, generally speaking, the threat to community safety is more of a passive-aggressive nature (weeds, trash, vermin, the occasional unnoticed dead body in the bedroom...) than active-aggressive (kidnapper/child abuser).

BBM

Thanks, I needed a laugh in this thread. "the occasional unnoticed dead body" being listed as passive-aggressive. I know what you mean but it just sounded funny in the midst of all this horrifying information. Hoarding is a clinical diagnosis. The disorder is relatives to obsessive compulsive disorder and anxiety disorders. You're absolutely right that they as people are rarely a threat to others, although the conditions caused by their disorder may put others in danger. I love that websleuths has so many people who are so educated about mental health disorders and understand that most people who suffer from mental illness are not a danger to the public.

 

[dawn929]

I've always thought that a cluttered ___(whatever/desk/home...) was a sign of a cluttered mind. Be it benign mind clutter or evil voices mind clutter

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

BBM

Thanks, I needed a laugh in this thread. "the occasional unnoticed dead body" being listed as passive-aggressive. I know what you mean but it just sounded funny in the midst of all this horrifying information. Hoarding is a clinical diagnosis. The disorder is relatives to obsessive compulsive disorder and anxiety disorders. You're absolutely right that they as people are rarely a threat to others, although the conditions caused by their disorder may put others in danger. I love that websleuths has so many people who are so educated about mental health disorders and understand that most people who suffer from mental illness are not a danger to the public.

You're welcome. I needed a smile, too. (And, I did happen to read an article to that effect this week, so that would explain it coming to mind.)

 

[necco]

I've always thought that a cluttered ___(whatever/desk/home...) was a sign of a cluttered mind. Be it benign mind clutter or evil voices mind clutter

A cluttered house/desk/etc is a sign of toddlers. Or an artist. Or ADHD. Or someone who would rather read and pick dandelions than organize the coupon drawer. Or someone distracted by shiny objects. Or someone with too little time and too much to do. Etc

 

[margarita25]

A puppy was used to lure the girls into the car.

NV was approved as a substitute teacher in the district, but she apparently never subbed at Colton-Pierrepont -- her own school.

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140819/NEWS05/140818797

ugh, the old puppy lure?
(link/article not available)

 

[blue22]

I've always thought that a cluttered ___(whatever/desk/home...) was a sign of a cluttered mind. Be it benign mind clutter or evil voices mind clutter

http://elitedaily.com/money/entrepr...-messy-room-may-necessarily-bad-thing/708046/

A little article about cluttered spaces.

I feel suffocated in neat spaces. (In my home, not so much outside of.) Not that I am messy, but I would say I have some clutter...in fact, I need it. My husband and I are artists. It's not that our minds are cluttered, but that we can't create in sterility and complete order. I find a very, very neat house boring. (I call perfectly clean, not lived in looking houses "beige.") I could not create in a house with nothing interesting about it.

 

[Judas]

ugh, the old puppy lure?
(link/article not available)

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140819/DCO/140818877

Maybe the Amish should discuss self-defense with their kids. The puppy lure is very very well-known!

 

[Abigail]

BBM

Just to clarify, the ex does not live in Hermon, but in another community about 12-13 miles north. Out of concern for her privacy I won't post a link, but if someone needs verification, I can be PM'd.

Also, your point about the property is a good one. In fact, most hoarders, while sentimental or distracted to a fault, tend to be fairly 'benign' as far as community safety is concerned. IOW, generally speaking, the threat to community safety is more of a passive-aggressive nature (weeds, trash, vermin, the occasional unnoticed dead body in the bedroom...):thinking: than active-aggressive (kidnapper/child abuser).

I didn't mean the actual village of Hermon, so much as the general area -- close enough to catch local gossip.

 

[blue22]

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140819/DCO/140818877

Maybe the Amish should discuss self-defense with their kids. The puppy lure is very very well-known!

I can tell you, I was the kid that would have pet the puppy. My parents did everything to make sure I was educated and confident about every scenario. I was just that kind of kid.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

http://elitedaily.com/money/entrepr...-messy-room-may-necessarily-bad-thing/708046/

A little article about cluttered spaces.

I feel suffocated in neat spaces. (In my home, not so much outside of.) Not that I am messy, but I would say I have some clutter...in fact, I need it. My husband and I are artists. It's not that our minds are cluttered, but that we can't create in sterility and complete order. I find a very, very neat house boring. (I call perfectly clean, not lived in looking houses "beige.") I could not create in a house with nothing interesting about it.

Loved the article--especially this part:

Consider this from Albert Einstein, “If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, then what are we to think of an empty desk?”

Obviously, Einstein’s desk looked like a spiteful ex-girlfriend had a mission to destroy his workspace, and executed it rather successfully. Yet, there’s no denying Einstein’s creativity.

Einstein wasn’t alone. Mark Twain, too, had a cluttered desk. Perhaps even more cluttered than that of Albert Einstein. Mark Twain was one of the most imaginative minds of his generation.

Confession. While I 'feel' less anxious having important things (eg. keys, wallets, etc.) consistently put in their place, I also am in more than one creative field, and our home is never "magazine cover" perfect. My aesthetic nature cringes on a daily basis. But I console myself with the thought that we never would get accomplished what we do get done IF (like his mother, incidentally) all we did was fastidiously straighten and clean our environment. It's balance, like everything else... JMO

 

[Abigail]

I guess they updated the article and it changed the link? Here's the puppy lure article
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140819/NEWS05/140818870

Also, more from NV's lawyer: "“She was the submissive one,” Mr. Riendeau said. “I am currently researching on what happens when prisoners of war go through enhanced interrogation. What torture has done to her personality to determine just how compliant she was. Was it really voluntary? Can you really give consent to be tortured?” he said."

Can one consent to be tortured? Well, isn't that what she was doing when she advertised herself on Fetlife?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I didn't mean the actual village of Hermon, so much as the general area -- close enough to catch local gossip.

My only point was, it's a twenty-minute drive and a whole different small-town community, though, so don't think she'd have caught the 'local' Hermon gossip about them (if there had been any). JMO. Lol, your smiley guy...that was an actual article (video) I listened to this week. Almost funny if it hadn't been so pathetic (98-yr old mother of hoarder mummified in her bed, discovered 4 years after death).

Thx for the new link (puppy lure article).

 

[necco]

I can tell you, I was the kid that would have pet the puppy. My parents did everything to make sure I was educated and confident about every scenario. I was just that kind of kid.

Yep, it's a tried and true method because it works. Kids like puppies.

 

[Judas]

Found perps MySpace, and thus his online handle

https://myspace.com/luckysteve0429