GUILTY NY - Evanna Tranberg-Bennett, 12, died, parents failed to get her medical care, 6 Dec 2019 Probation

[Imby001]

!? Question-
The Tranberg-Bennett family has repeated in nearly every comment/post anywhere their claim of an Autopsy Diagram being “altered” stating a point showing EMT “crushing chest/punctured lung/broken rib” has been removed. Is there any relevance at all when the Autopsy never details resuscitation efforts contributed to death? Where do they come up with such a statement? Is it just another tactic to try to refocus Public Opinion (their obvious #1 need) away from any actual slip-ups of parts of documents they shared & MSM news describing cause of death taken from “Court Documents”?

 

[Imby001]

The homeschoolers I know teach according to their skills. One person might teach math and science and another parent might teach English and language arts. Sometimes there is only one person teaching on a regular basis and other adults teach classes only once in awhile.

I don't know if they meet or teach with other families, though. I do know that in NY state they have to turn in their curriculum at the beginning of the school year for approval, and at the end of each school year the children are required to be tested by a certified teacher outside of the family. They are still required to take state standardized tests as well.

Imo

I noticed in their posts that they said DSS also accused of Educational neglect in not registering homeschooling- Also that Venuska had 20 days to register children after they were returned in october but did not do so again. Many lovely photos, but indeed not one outside the compound of their home, not only in any events with other homeschoolers or actually ANY events that I could find; seeming few connections with ANYONE outside the people from work places at the one business in Chatham or their home- I may be wrong... just can’t see anything at all

 

[sedona2000]

The homeschoolers I know teach according to their skills. One person might teach math and science and another parent might teach English and language arts. Sometimes there is only one person teaching on a regular basis and other adults teach classes only once in awhile.

I don't know if they meet or teach with other families, though. I do know that in NY state they have to turn in their curriculum at the beginning of the school year for approval, and at the end of each school year the children are required to be tested by a certified teacher outside of the family. They are still required to take state standardized tests as well.

Imo

According to previous posts they did not register their children in the local school district the whole time t

The homeschoolers I know teach according to their skills. One person might teach math and science and another parent might teach English and language arts. Sometimes there is only one person teaching on a regular basis and other adults teach classes only once in awhile.

I don't know if they meet or teach with other families, though. I do know that in NY state they have to turn in their curriculum at the beginning of the school year for approval, and at the end of each school year the children are required to be tested by a certified teacher outside of the family. They are still required to take state standardized tests as well.

Imo

Previous TB Family posts indicated they never registered any of the children in the local school district despite NYS Education requirements. For 3 years. No local doctors. No local school system. Appears like they kept those children isolated and off the grid from "outsiders". According to VTB own posts even when her children were recently returned she failed to contact the local school district to register her children. Maybe another reason they were removed again? Seems like they don't want their children to have any contact with adults other than themselves. They even alienate the little ones from what appears to be a loving paternal Grandmother. She probably has stood up to their nonsense.

 

[shotgun09]

The most recent post on VT's FB page now appears to be from November 20, IMO.

Oh the Calumny Calamity.

The postings on FB by 'the TB Family' can be edited and erased as much as they want but IMO..there are others... I'm speaking legitimate others, who are ...gasp!....REAL investigators!!! Forensic investigations are on-going, and deep diving as many here at WS have seen. I am personally confident that these state investigators have been following and gathering all posts and comments and comments to comments and likes of the TB Family.. And, IMO ...these guys aren't having conversations with ANYONE about the case on line in public forums.

 

[CrimeAway]

I do sympathize with whoever it might be that is tasked with reading all of their posts and accusations on social media.

 

[MsMarple]

!? Question-
The Tranberg-Bennett family has repeated in nearly every comment/post anywhere their claim of an Autopsy Diagram being “altered” stating a point showing EMT “crushing chest/punctured lung/broken rib” has been removed. Is there any relevance at all when the Autopsy never details resuscitation efforts contributed to death? Where do they come up with such a statement? Is it just another tactic to try to refocus Public Opinion (their obvious #1 need) away from any actual slip-ups of parts of documents they shared & MSM news describing cause of death taken from “Court Documents”?

JMOO it's more word salad intended to take the focus off the real reason Evanna died - her parents and the other adults in the house failed to get her medical attention when she clearly was showing signs of being vey ill.

I don't believe their vulgar, disparaging descriptions of Evanna stuffing her face or demanding to be taken to the hospital in a private car. IMO she was horribly ill and in pain and the family is attempting to downplay it to protect themselves.

The court will either prove its case or it won't and the outcome will be determined by the facts, not by rantings in social media. MOO.

 

[MsMarple]

Oops, I forgot to add that the family posted a screenshot of the Manner of Death from the second autopsy, labeling it as Natural, which verifies that the EMTs had nothing to do with Evanna dying.

A MOD of "Natural" means she died as a result of disease or illness. If there was a contributing factor of the EMTs actions like the family claims then the MOD could not be determined as natural.

They haven't posted a screenshot of the Cause of Death that I know of, only the pathological diagnoses (findings) - unless Columbia County uses that terminology instead of Cause of Death. I don't know.
The Four Manners of Death
Reporting a Case - OCME

 

[shotgun09]

I thought they said Anoxic Brain Death was cause? You know...because the EMT's did it... and CPR wasn't done right

 

[MsMarple]

I thought they said Anoxic Brain Death was cause? You know...because the EMT's did it... and CPR wasn't done right

Lol, yeah maybe in Columbia County the ME doesn't submit a formal Cause of Death report and just uses the pathology findings. I can't find the answer.

But either way, if the ME found evidence that the EMT's resuscitation procedure caused the anoxic brain injury or if he found evidence that the choking on candy caused it then he couldn't label the Manner of Death as Natural. I did verify that info. It would then have to be labeled accidental or homicide.

 

[MsMarple]

Wait a second... the pathology screenshots the family posted are dated December 6, 1pm - three and a half hours after Evanna died. That can't be the second autopsy. Meaning the MOD they posted from the second autopsy is totally irrelevant. What are they trying to pull?

 

[MsBetsy]

I noticed in their posts that they said DSS also accused of Educational neglect in not registering homeschooling- Also that Venuska had 20 days to register children after they were returned in october but did not do so again. Many lovely photos, but indeed not one outside the compound of their home, not only in any events with other homeschoolers or actually ANY events that I could find; seeming few connections with ANYONE outside the people from work places at the one business in Chatham or their home- I may be wrong... just can’t see anything at all

Yes, that seems to be one of the most serious accusations which may be why they continuously post about all the other allegations but don't ever go into any details about the children's education. Truancy is illegal and the penalty can be 10 days in jail for the first offense, and 30 days for every other offense following that.

Homeschooling is fine, but there are still requirements to be met. In NY I think you have to state a reason and many people choose religion, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. The laws may have changed, though. I would think every state at least requires registration with the school district.

And yes, there doesn't seem to be much socialization outside the family, at least not in terms of school activities. That's a major disadvantage of homeschooling. Social skills are important, too.

Imo

 

[Lusitana]

Wait a second... the pathology screenshots the family posted are dated December 6, 1pm - three and a half hours after Evanna died. That can't be the second autopsy. Meaning the MOD they posted from the second autopsy is totally irrelevant. What are they trying to pull?

I hate these games. If they want to post something, post the whole thing, both autopsies in full, if they don't want to post all of it, then don't post anything.

They're just trying to manipulate everyone and control the narrative. Good catch!

 

[MsBetsy]

I thought they said Anoxic Brain Death was cause? You know...because the EMT's did it... and CPR wasn't done right

They did say Anoxic Brain Death was the "primary" COD. I don't think they will be able to prove it was due to EMT procedures. When they first called 911, they said she wasn't breathing and they didn't think she had a pulse.

I think there's a possibility the oxygen had been cut off to her brain long enough to cause brain damage before the EMT's even arrived and started working on her. They said she took one long breath, or "gasp," and I'm thinking that may have been her last.

That would explain why CPR was performed so aggressively, especially if there was no pulse.

When I took CPR training I remember our instructor said if you hear a rib crack, don't stop. It's better to have the person alive with a cracked rib than for them to die.

 

[MsBetsy]

Wait a second... the pathology screenshots the family posted are dated December 6, 1pm - three and a half hours after Evanna died. That can't be the second autopsy. Meaning the MOD they posted from the second autopsy is totally irrelevant. What are they trying to pull?

They said the MOD from the first was "undetermined" and the second categorized it as "natural causes." What does it say in the screenshots?

 

[Warwick7]

They did say Anoxic Brain Death was the "primary" COD. I don't think they will be able to prove it was due to EMT procedures. When they first called 911, they said she wasn't breathing and they didn't think she had a pulse.

I think there's a possibility the oxygen had been cut off to her brain long enough to cause brain damage before the EMT's even arrived and started working on her. They said she took one long breath, or "gasp," and I'm thinking that may have been her last.

That would explain why CPR was performed so aggressively, especially if there was no pulse.

When I took CPR training I remember our instructor said if you hear a rib crack, don't stop. It's better to have the person alive with a cracked rib than for them to die.

And how can she gasp if her airway was blocked by alledged candy?
She can't...

 

[Alethea]

Lol, yeah maybe in Columbia County the ME doesn't submit a formal Cause of Death report and just uses the pathology findings. I can't find the answer.

But either way, if the ME found evidence that the EMT's resuscitation procedure caused the anoxic brain injury or if he found evidence that the choking on candy caused it then he couldn't label the Manner of Death as Natural. I did verify that info. It would then have to be labeled accidental or homicide.

I think this is a good point. I'm not an expert here but I think choking would be considered accidental.

 

[MsMarple]

I hate these games. If they want to post something, post the whole thing, both autopsies in full, if they don't want to post all of it, then don't post anything.

They're just trying to manipulate everyone and control the narrative. Good catch!

Exactly. The poor child's lungs were filled with pus and bacteria and both lobes were compromised by alveolar damage, meaning the epithelial cells were damaged, thus preventing air exchange, causing the cells to fill with fluids (edema) instead. It's more complicated than that but the upshot is that her lungs weren't able to draw in adequate oxygen. By that time the prognosis wasn't great.

A punctured lung at that point was the least of Evanna's problems. However, note that the released screenshots don't mention a lung puncture. MOO, based on the family's information.

 

[shotgun09]

IMO, from the story posted by the family here last year, and on FB that poor Evanna passed out in the parlor ...while the adults flitted about finding a ride and snow storms. Someone, IMO finally noticed that she wasn't doing too well...and realized that calling 911 was in order. In the meantime, I posit that Evanna's breathing went agonal.

From Google:
Agonal breathing or agonal gasps are the last reflexes of the dying brain. They are generally viewed as a sign of death, and can happen after the heart has stopped beating.

Also

Should you start CPR with agonal breathing?
Gasping, or agonal respiration, is an indicator of cardiac arrest. When these irregular breathing patterns occur, it's a sign that the victim's brain is still alive and that you must begin uninterrupted chest compressions or CPR immediately. If you do so, the person as a much higher chance of surviving.Jan 6, 2020

What You Need to Know About Agonal Breathing

IMO, Evanna was actively dying in the parlor, well before EMS was called, (and somebody may have thought giving her some candy might help perk her up a bit too)

All of this is MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

And how can she gasp if her airway was blocked by alledged candy?
She can't...

Well, gasping is more consistent with a partial airway obstruction. The candy was made from barley malt, some type of flour, rice syrup, and cocoa. It sounds like it would have been both sticky and dry.

They described her as inhaling, but never said she exhaled.

They are pushing the narrative that the main reason they called 911 was because she choked on candy. I don't see how this can be the case.

I've had two experiences with choking, once when I was 13 on a piece of round candy and another time when a was around 19. The first thing I felt was panic and terror from not being able to breathe. It's an instant and automatic response and I was in a frenzy. There's just no way a person wouldn't notice immediately. I'm sure I looked like I was going crazy. I would think it would take a few minutes to pass out, but I never got to that point. It still felt like a long time.

So to me it doesn't follow that nobody realized Evanna was choking before she fainted. I think it's more likely that she collapsed due to the pneumonia or other complications.

I'm still wondering if she had a fever. I wonder if LE found a thermometer in the house.

 

[MsMarple]

IMO, from the story posted by the family here last year, and on FB that poor Evanna passed out in the parlor ...while the adults flitted about finding a ride and snow storms. Someone, IMO finally noticed that she wasn't doing too well...and realized that calling 911 was in order. In the meantime, I posit that Evanna's breathing went agonal.

From Google:
Agonal breathing or agonal gasps are the last reflexes of the dying brain. They are generally viewed as a sign of death, and can happen after the heart has stopped beating.

Also

Should you start CPR with agonal breathing?
Gasping, or agonal respiration, is an indicator of cardiac arrest. When these irregular breathing patterns occur, it's a sign that the victim's brain is still alive and that you must begin uninterrupted chest compressions or CPR immediately. If you do so, the person as a much higher chance of surviving.Jan 6, 2020

What You Need to Know About Agonal Breathing

IMO, Evanna was actively dying in the parlor, well before EMS was called, (and somebody may have thought giving her some candy might help perk her up a bit too)

All of this is MOO.

May explain the family describing Evanna as coughing out the candy when "they" (hopefully it was actually only one person doing it) were performing CPR and then making a long, strange inhalation.