Identified! NY - Harlem, BlkMale 1609UMNY, 20-30, USMC Tattoo, Jun'97 Leroy Bernard Matthews

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While looking for something else I found this. I know there is some speculation on his possible background but IMHO he is a recently separated Marine so I'm face palming here wondering why the h*ll NYC didn't get DNA.

http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/geneticprivacy/DNA_mil.html

The Department of Defense (DOD) began to use DNA samples to identify the remains of service members during the first Gulf War in 1991. “Because of problems with obtaining reliable DNA samples during the Gulf War, the DOD began a pro-gram to collect and store reference specimens of DNA from members of the active duty and reserve forces.” What was then called the “DOD DNA Registry,” a program within the Armed Forces Institute of pathology, was established pursuant to a December 16, 1991 memorandum of the Deputy Secretary of Defense. Under this program, DNA specimens are collected from active duty and reserve military personnel upon their enlistment, reenlistment, or preparation for operational deployment.

As of December 2002, the Repository, now known as the “Armed Forces Repository of Specimen Samples for the Identification of Remains,” contained the DNA of approximately 3.2 million service members. According to a recent DOD directive, the “provision of specimen samples by military members shall be mandatory.” The direction to a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine to contribute a DNA sample is a lawful order which, if disobeyed, subjects the service member to prosecution under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). If convicted at court-martial for the offense of violating a lawful general order, the service member carries the lifelong stigma of a federal felony conviction, and faces a maximum punishment of a dishonorable discharge, confinement for two years, total forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and reduction to the lowest enlisted grade.

As its name suggests, the DNA Repository was initially conceived solely to identify the remains of service members. However, a small entry in the huge 2003 National Defense Authorization Act, “signed by President Bush on December 2, 2002, overrides Pentagon policy that the DNA samples be used almost solely to identity troops killed in combat,” and allows access to the Repository for law enforcement purposes. The provision reads:


§ 1565a. DNA samples maintained for identification of human remains: use for law enforcement purposes

(a) Compliance with a court order.

(1) Subject to paragraph (2), if a valid order of a Federal court (or military judge) so requires, an element of the Department of Defense that maintains a repository of DNA samples for the purpose of identification of human remains shall make available, for the purpose specified in subsection (b), such DNA samples on such terms and conditions as such court (or military judge) directs.
(2) A DNA sample with respect to an individual shall be provided under paragraph
(1) in a manner that does not compromise the ability of the Department of Defense to maintain a sample with respect to that individual for the purpose of identification of human remains.

(b) Covered purpose. The purpose referred to in subsection (a) is the purpose of an investigation or prosecution of a felony, or any sexual offense, for which no other source of DNA information is reasonably available.
(c) Definition. In this section, the term “DNA sample” has the meaning given such term in section 1565(c) of this title.

The 2002 law, proposed by Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas, passed with no debate. It followed the January, 2002 rape of a soldier at Fort Hood, Texas by a fellow soldier, Specialist (SPC) Christopher Reyes. The law is in addition to the military’s statutory requirement, similar to that of every state and the District of Columbia, for collection of DNA samples from those soldiers who are convicted of certain offenses by military court-martial, which are furnished to the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation for inclusion in the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS).

The military’s DNA collection program has had its opponents. Two members of the United States Marine Corps were ordered to give DNA samples before being deployed to the Pacific in January 1995. They refused to do so and were charged with the violation of an order from a superior commissioned officer. The military court martial dismissed the charges, holding that the regulations underlying the DNA Repository program were not punitive and thus no disciplinary action could be taken for refusal to provide specimens. The two Marines sued the government in federal court, charging that the DNA collection program violates the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. The district court found the DNA collection requirement to be valid. The court of appeals declared the case to be moot because by the time of the appeal the two Marines had been granted honorable discharges without ever having given samples of their DNA. Since that time two other members of the military have refused to give their DNA samples. One was sentenced by a court martial to 14 days hard labor and a two-grade reduction in rank. Another temporarily lost his rank and 40 percent of his pay, and was reassigned. He was later able to claim a narrow exception on religious grounds and was reinstated.
 
As a side note: The Marine Historical Society has platoon pictures of all graduating classes from San Diego. I was going to order some until I realized they graduate enough that we would need to browse through about 100 photos to see if he's in there. I've been pondering how to approach getting a copy of, or getting someone to search through, those platoon grad/yearbook pics. Their website ( http://www.mcrdmuseumhistoricalsociety.org/platoon-photos-and-grad-books) has links to two military papers where you can put ads in for free if your looking for someone.

Where the paper ads ever done before?
 
The paper ads would be a great idea. As far as I know they have not been done before.
 
Someone sent me this photo a while back on Facebook, she reached out the the page owner where it was posted but never heard back. Could this be him?

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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=413427042056659&set=pb.100001680999763.-2207520000.1413909102.&type=3&theater

I think it could be him, I see some similarity. I looked at "Mike's" facebook and he said the photo was taken in 1990. Mike seems to be connected to ex marines. Maybe send him a private message with the link to UID's facebook and ask him to take a look and maybe post.
 
I think it could be him, I see some similarity. I looked at "Mike's" facebook and he said the photo was taken in 1990. Mike seems to be connected to ex marines. Maybe send him a private message with the link to UID's facebook and ask him to take a look and maybe post.

I think someone messaged him already, but got no response. I saw that anyone could share the picture. Perhaps, if someone shares it (the UID Facebook, maybe?) he'll see the notification and make contact.
 
I think someone messaged him already, but got no response. I saw that anyone could share the picture. Perhaps, if someone shares it (the UID Facebook, maybe?) he'll see the notification and make contact.
I meant maybe someone could contact the other 2 people tagged on the picture. I will do it.
There's another picture and the comments lead me to believe his name is either Goddard or Shaw.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203143205716972&set=t.1351065002&type=1&theater
 
Is there any way to convince them to exhume him?

NYC Office of Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) posted in another thread the other day. I sent a PM about our guy here; don't know if he will read it or not. Once my life slows down a bit I can see what I can do about DNA for NamUs. There is good reason to believe he can be identified with a sample.

*Needing a new computer. Sick of this Mac taking 10 mins to write a few lines.
 
The paper ads would be a great idea. As far as I know they have not been done before.

I'm going to send them something today. I'm thinking it'll work best to use the flyer from the FB page with the eyes open image.
 
I got a bit busy so I just got around to sending those emails out to the publications today.

FYI - I found some platoon photos and yearbooks online! :happydance:

If anyone wants to browse here are the links:

http://www.yellowfootprints.com/yearbook/showgallery.php?cat=514

http://militaryyearbookproject.com/platoon-photos/1980-89-mcrd-san-diego

Here was one from 1986 that caught my eye. I don't like the bottom lip and the nose seems more narrow. IDK what kind of soft tissue swelling happens with electrocution though.
 

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I got a bit busy so I just got around to sending those emails out to the publications today.

FYI - I found some platoon photos and yearbooks online! :happydance:

If anyone wants to browse here are the links:

http://www.yellowfootprints.com/yearbook/showgallery.php?cat=514

http://militaryyearbookproject.com/platoon-photos/1980-89-mcrd-san-diego

Here was one from 1986 that caught my eye. I don't like the bottom lip and the nose seems more narrow. IDK what kind of soft tissue swelling happens with electrocution though.

That would be 11 years, I wonder how much weight gain/ loss would change a persons face in that amount of time?

Do you have a name to go with that photo to see if we can find any info on him to see if he is still alive?
 
A lot of the available photos have names so I have some possibles to go through. I looked at what they had for San Diego from 1985 to 1993.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Island,_New_York

Hart Island is the location of a 101-acre (0.41 km2) potter's field for New York City, the largest tax-funded cemetery in the world.[11][12][13] Burials on Hart Island began during the American Civil War. Hart Island was sold to New York City in 1869.[2] The city then began using it as a cemetery when a 24-year-old woman named Louisa Van Slyke was the first person to be buried in the island's 45-acre (180,000 m2) public graveyard.[14] Burials of unknowns were in single plots, and identified adults and children were buried in mass graves.[15] In 1913, adults and children under five were buried in separate mass graves. Unknowns are mostly adults. They are frequently disinterred when families are able to locate their relatives through photographs and fingerprints kept on file at the Office of the Medical Examiner. Adults are buried in trenches with three sections of 48 individuals to make disinterment easier.

So this would be 'city burial'. Ugh.....
 
No one in my house objected to this one. The pic is from a 1993 yearbook so there is a name. I didn't look him up yet. What do we think?

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This is fuzzy and from circa 1987. It's a platoon photo so no names. The only upside is it appears a member of the platoon posts the pic so there is a possible contact for the platoon.

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I think it could be him, I see some similarity. I looked at "Mike's" facebook and he said the photo was taken in 1990. Mike seems to be connected to ex marines. Maybe send him a private message with the link to UID's facebook and ask him to take a look and maybe post.

here's a picture that I think looks a lot like him.missing marine 1997.jpg I contacted the page owner and didn't get a reply.
 
No one in my house objected to this one. The pic is from a 1993 yearbook so there is a name. I didn't look him up yet. What do we think?

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This is fuzzy and from circa 1987. It's a platoon photo so no names. The only upside is it appears a member of the platoon posts the pic so there is a possible contact for the platoon.

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I liked the second one :)
 
I got a bit busy so I just got around to sending those emails out to the publications today.

FYI - I found some platoon photos and yearbooks online! :happydance:

If anyone wants to browse here are the links:

http://www.yellowfootprints.com/yearbook/showgallery.php?cat=514

http://militaryyearbookproject.com/platoon-photos/1980-89-mcrd-san-diego

Here was one from 1986 that caught my eye. I don't like the bottom lip and the nose seems more narrow. IDK what kind of soft tissue swelling happens with electrocution though.



Hi there, I don't post very often (the embarrassing typo in my username doesn't help hehe). But I think this is a great find and there is a very good likeness between these pictures! The lower jaw especially - the shape is quite distinctive - and I do actually think the lips are similar. They also both appear from the pictures to be lighter skinned black males.

I agree there is some difference with the nose, and perhaps the ears in the black/white picture where they appear to stick out slightly more. But I guess it is possible some of the differences could be down to aging, picture quality, angles and/or postmortem changes (?)

I think earlier in the thread, it was suggested that the tattoo could perhaps be in tribute to a relative. If not the UID, could this be a family member, brother, cousin etc?
 
Wanting2Help

Did you ever hear back on this?

I just received an email from Captain Clifford, II (USMC)Adjutant, 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, he thanked me for my letter that I sent awhile back and he has been actively pursuing leads and it looks like they may have identified the man! He assured me he would keep me posted on any new info.

He did provide the name of this man, not sure if I can post it since they still need to investigate, proper notification needs to be made to his family, and burial arrangements need to be made.

I'm curious if this case is similar to a couple others I'm aware of in NYC where they know who it is but can't prove it in a way that makes then close the cases.

This case makes me a little batty. There is so much info compared to a lot of other ones......yet he is still unnamed.

Sluether87:

I think earlier in the thread, it was suggested that the tattoo could perhaps be in tribute to a relative.

I agree that it could be a tribute. Nothing about him makes me feel he is not military though so I go with that. Plus he is not prone to getting tattooed and the one he has meets military regulations so it gives me a hunch that he is recently separated from the military.
 

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