Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #12

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Could we be missing a big something? If GR was being truthful to friends, at the beginning of November, he had a plan to wait until after Christmas, take custody of his kids and house, and divorce Jennifer.

But by December 11, Jennifer was dead. Does that mark that date where Jennifer had learned what her rights might be, or been given advice about what she should NOT do/sign until she'd had a chance to meet her lawyer?

Or could there be another reason why GR's plans had fallen apart? Could he have suddenly needed Jennifer gone from the home in a hurry, because his girlfriend needed to move in? Or could GR have been afraid he was losing his girlfriend?

I can't think of other reasons, but I have a feeling there may be something significant that took place in that month or space of time.

Also many times since December 11th GR would mention that he shouldn't have stopped for the Marine Corps races in VA, after he had left my house. That he should have gone straight home.

He stated "That is when they got their claws into her". I think something happened during that time period that may be important.
 
Between Dec 2nd and Dec 5th, GR and ES had separated. ES moved back with her husband.<Mod Snip>."

We had heard before (from a verified insider I think) that ES had returned to her husband that first week of December.

So....ES is saying that she broke it off because of what Jennifer said to her.

Let's think this through...in November...GR is planning to divorce Jennifer, and his plan includes keeping the house and the kids. ES makes him happy, and he wants to spend the rest of his life with her.

But...Jennifer doesn't want a divorce, and she certainly doesn't want to give up the kids. She becomes pro-active -- making an appointment with a divorce attorney -- maybe to fight for her kids. And does Jennifer have a heart-to-heart with ES, and convince her to break things off?

ES goes back to her husband, and GR is furious. His plan has fallen into shambles, so he goes to Plan B.
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But...where and how does the shopping trip that Jennifer and ES took fit in? The one the week before Jen died, right about the same time ES had supposedly gone back to her husband? It hardly sounds likely that Jennifer would be taking a stand for her marriage while buying cologne for another guy.

Could it be possible that ES going back to her husband was simply a ruse? To lull Jennifer into a sense of complacency? Meanwhile, GR has time to set things up with postal receipts and lingerie purchases and the like?
 
Also many times since December 11th GR would mention that he shouldn't have stopped for the Marine Corps races in VA, after he had left my house. That he should have gone straight home.

He stated "That is when they got their claws into her". I think something happened during that time period that may be important.

"They" -- as in plural??

Solus, when did GR leave your house? I'm assuming one day travel time to Virginia, and then what...two or three days for the races...then one or two days travel time (if driving) to NY -- so a week a the max.

Now, presumably this would also be the same time frame that Jen was convincing ES not to be a home-wrecker.

And that doesn't fit in with Jen taking up with someone at the same time.

What I could see is Jen sharing her marriage woes with her online friends -- platonic friends. Maybe they give her encouragement, comfort, advice. Such as -- go see a lawyer - fight for your rights. Maybe, Jennifer senses she's not safe...and she shares this, and someone sends her money to move out.

But...we have to remember...what GR said...and what ES said...have to be taken with a grain of salt.

For instance, let's say someone DID send Jen money to move out -- how would GR know that?
 
Between Dec 2nd and Dec 5th, GR and ES had separated. ES moved back with her husband. Here is the reason that was sent to me in a message:

"Throughout these months I have tried to keep Jen from getting in my head with her words, but this past week killed me ! Her words finally did it.. I truly had it in my head that Remy was happy being with her. I truly just wanted to stop everyone's pain."

I would love to hear how many in here interpret this message from ES to Solus? Especially how Solus took what ES was saying and what you think she was saying (you seem to be the one that was present for so much and I think if GR or ES ever decide to come clean, you might be the one they come clean to)

What message was sent to have her send this response? That might make some more sense of this message?
 
Solus is the her in "claws into her" ES? Meaning ES changed her mind?

Edited: answered below her=Jenny
 
GR had also told me that Jen had received a sum of money from the previously mentioned person from England. Per GR the money was to help her with moving out.

is this the money that was allegedly wired to her that she never picked up?
the not-picking-it-up thing was told to me as a tactic to throw off the police investigation.
 
Abigail I don't know about a ruse, but I do believe ES going back to her husband is the motive IMO. I don't believe the cologne for another guy story if its ES telling it...

Edited to say motive may be the wrong word, but I believe he saw Jenny in his way of happiness with ES. ES said herself that it was her words that got in her head.
 
To everyone with issues with us trying to find what really happen

GR and ES DID make some outrageous accusations -- I'm confused why anyone would think we in here are making any accusations about what went on between GR, Jen and ES -- The only way to get to the truth and give much needed answers for when her kids or loved ones are ready to try and heal is to know what happen

I know no one is going to suggest they have worked harder or mourned worse than any other person in here, that's just not fair . . .

If you took the time to read posts, you would see we explained very clearly these were GR and ES's words. The last words ever heard by someone that may hold the key to why Jen was murdered.

I hate drama

Good luck to everyone -- Bye
 
I think my posts may have confused you upstate! I meant ES words were a bunch of crap not yours!
I have read every post...more than once and never meant to suggest anything.

Edited to say: ok so now posts are being edited so my post makes no sense. I have never directed any of my posts toward another member accusing them of anything. If my posts are unclear as to who I am speaking about I apologize, but the way I read them they are not (they sometimes get snipped though and don't make sense and I can't go back and edit later)
 
I would love to hear how many in here interpret this message from ES to Solus? Especially how Solus took what ES was saying and what you think she was saying (you seem to be the one that was present for so much and I think if GR or ES ever decide to come clean, you might be the one they come clean to)

What message was sent to have her send this response? That might make some more sense of this message?

I have to wait for approval before I can respond about the message upstate.

I can be pretty sure that GR and/or ES will never come clean to me, or even speak to me again.
 
Not sure how far it will be allowed to discuss ES, so lets keep discussion of her with what we know at this time limited to the affair. Thank you.

Ima
 
is this the money that was allegedly wired to her that she never picked up?
the not-picking-it-up thing was told to me as a tactic to throw off the police investigation.

Probably is the same. I don't remember if it was the same. GR had stated that he didn't think it was the only money sent.
 
"They" -- as in plural??

Solus, when did GR leave your house? I'm assuming one day travel time to Virginia, and then what...two or three days for the races...then one or two days travel time (if driving) to NY -- so a week a the max.


Yes they, but I don't know who that was referring to.

I don't remember the exact date. Nov 3rd was the Savannah race and it was the next week that he left. I think those races were the weekend of the Nov 10th 2012.

I believe he arrived back in NY on Nov 13th.
 
I have been trying to think of a way someone could send money from England without it being trackable. I thought the Post Office maybe, because you can send cash, but they require ID of driving licence or passport, and a bank statement or utility bill, showing address.

The only other way I can think of is by using one of those pre-paid credit cards you can buy in stores, although I don't know if transfer services like Western Union allow them to be used.

Otherwise, whoever sent the money would be easily findable by LE, and as I really don't think this was anything but a set-up by GR, whoever may have helped wouldn't want to be found.

Unless - an option I've often resorted to - GR simply got someone he knew in England to send a package containing money, which would need to be collected from the local US Post Office? Do packages normally get delivered to your mailboxes in the US, or do they have to be picked up?

If it was a set up, I'd be prepared to take a good guess at where the package was postmarked in England.
 
I don't think the above was in Jen's character.



I'm not sure Jen was clueless, but may not have been positive. It is difficult to make that accusation if your not confident in how true it is.

GR was angry with ES at one point because ES didn't share some of the things she knew. He felt ES betrayed his trust. The shopping trip where Jen was checking out the cologne for example.

I favor the theory of Jen being smitten. Simply because a person that is smitten will display subtle changes. (Most lies have an element of truth to them.) A little pep in their walk so to speak. Maybe there was a slight change in her appearance as confidence is increasing.

GR and the OW were each trying to justify their engaging in an extra-marital relationship with one another to their closest friends, family members, acquaintances, the public and whomever.

We saw him throw plates of spaghetti at the wall when she disappeared. He even employed (IMO, used) others to get his message out there for him. Believe he covered nearly every possibility of what could have happened to her, while simultaneously denigrating her and downplaying that his affair w/her BFF and divorce had a thing to do with her having "disappeared."

GR planted the misinformation that she may have been beginning one herself. He was staging false realities, deliberately planting misinformation with his friends, with her friends, with ES and with whomever else and with anyone else he needed to in order to carry through with his plan.

A skilled gaslighter: intelligent, verbal, respected and well-liked by his friends, even her friends, etc. He was also a persuasive individual: don't forget, we saw him at his most desperate on the internet, in the media and on the videos. When we, the public are introduced to him, at this point she's "vanished." GR is at his most anxious, most fearful, under tremendous scrutiny (LE in home & on property for 4 days) and under incredible stress, etc. Not as smooth and glib as he would normally be.

A man probably very used to usually being able to talk his way out of almost anything.

Highly manipulative and skilled at taking a tiny, thin thread of truth and from there, weaving, spinning and planting lies, rumors, innuendos and possibilities to suit his personal agenda. IMO, he had no plans to ever use the matrimonial court system to "divorce" her. He's intelligent enough to "know" that she's not going to agree to give him the house and sole custody of their 3 children even in exchange for 50% of the value of their home (if he could come up with it), his pension, health insurance, etc. Marriage is longer than 10 years, 3 children, stay-at-home mother, etc. He's not going to spend the amount of time and money required in this kind of a custody/divorce case, and he's not going to give her the house nor agree to let her have primary physical custody of the children (he needs house for the newer, larger family and because he does not want to pay CS).

It's not Hollywood or Reality TV. Jennifer is not going to agree to any such thing, esp for GR to set up house with her BFF, and he knows that. She's not going to move anywhere out of that home, either with or without the children. He knows that, too.

The OW has a husband and children. She's involved with her supposedly close GF's husband. Her GF has now disappeared. Other than to LE (and under a poly), she will say what she needs to say to the public, to her close friends, to her acquaintances, even to herself, etc.

Doesn't mean a word of it is true, only that is what either GR told her or how she is portraying it to others, or how she can make sense of it all to herself, or a combination of a few of these things.
 
I wouldn't have thought a laptop would have been enough for a project manager working from home, you know. It depends what projects he managed, of course, but I would have thought GR would have needed a fixed computer at home, with a big capacity.

Not at all. I've various friends who work from home or away from the office (including one at IBM) - you simply connect back to the central server via your laptop for access to documents etc. Most laptops now would be sufficiently specced to run the software and even my 4yo budget lappie has a 500GB drive.
 
Lol Wolf Dreamer, I am going on the line Mr Z always feeds me when I query the latest computer he has to have! I'm going to keep your post in my mind for the next 'must-have' purchase....
 
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