Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 5

[PAHouseWifey]

I was just thinking about the nosebleed story and where in the car it would have been found, if it could have been from Jenn OR her son?? I am assuming it was found on fabric or carpet.

Not the drivers seat...son is too young.

Passenger seat....Is her son old enough to ride in the front seat in NY State?
and with a family of 5, how often could he have had the chance to ride up front?

Back seat....Naaa, I can't tell you that I have ever, sat in the back as a parent.

Trunk....This is the most logical. If the door was up, either of them could have leaned in...or sat down to wipe face?


Now, lets assume that Jennifer had been harmed and was put in the car and blood dripped...
Drivers seat or passenger seat......no
Backseat...maybe
trunk....most likely

 

[Amanda79]

Took me forever to catch up! I did on my phone so I couldn't thank but would have everyone if I could! Great points made!

A few thoughts...

I've never heard of allergies causing bloody noses. I'd think her doctor could weigh in on whether this is a problem she has.

The blood in the car... That news was like someone hit me in the gut. . That cannot be good. Why on earth would they not be worried?? Why would they not want searches high and low ASAP??? Blood cold mean injury so time would have been of the essence. If i were m husband missing and blood found in the car I would not leave the police station til I got answers and saw searches being done. Being the push for no searches there is no doubt in my mind that someone didn't want them. And for LnM to release the blood info....how is that protecting the kids? They are worried about them reading a FB page or website with people who want to HELP and are acting to help (aka armchair detectives) but they aren't afraid of the kids hearing first hand about blood being found or that their Dad admitted to an affair?!? Makes no sense to me. Said bf would have to be blind to not see that someone isn't completely innocent. To still be involved now and standing by his side and playing Mommy to his kids makes me think maybe, (jjmo) there was some help with this.
A theory...

JR was talking to her bf about being suspicious of her husband being unfaithful. Bf went to GR told him JR knew. Affair ended. Moved back to her husband to not cause more suspicion. GR feels guilt, comes clean to JR that morning- never confirming it was her bf (then article would be correct JR "didn't know"). Argument occurs. JRs MS page said when mad she throws things. Rings tossed in argument. Maybe a push, shove, trip, something led to her accidentally dying. Quick cover up to hide body and some blood gets on van. GR confides to bf and she covers for him believing she too is at fault be ause of the argument/accident being from her actions.

I can't shake the feeling that bf/tryst partner is involved in some way.

 

[krey]

I was just thinking about the nosebleed story and where in the car it would have been found, if it could have been from Jenn OR her son?? I am assuming it was found on fabric or carpet.

Not the drivers seat...son is too young.

Passenger seat....Is her son old enough to ride in the front seat in NY State?
and with a family of 5, how often could he have had the chance to ride up front?

Back seat....Naaa, I can't tell you that I have ever, sat in the back as a parent.

Trunk....This is the most logical. If the door was up, either of them could have leaned in...or sat down to wipe face?


Now, lets assume that Jennifer had been harmed and was put in the car and blood dripped...
Drivers seat or passenger seat......no
Backseat...maybe
trunk....most likely

Except it's a mini-van without a trunk, per se..... so do they have like a middle seat and a back seat and a back storage area? I'm thinking maybe middle seat or back seat was where the blood was. There'd have to be enough room for Jennifer. Maybe I can find something online about the seat layout.....

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Here, this will do for now!

:HHJP::detective:

I LOVE It, LolaAngelina!!!

I am an Armchair Detective... And PROUD of it! :rocker:

 

[sleepinoz]

I LOVE It, LolaAngelina!!!

I am an Armchair Detective... And PROUD of it! :rocker:

Me Too Clue - I've put the chair in my signature. :great:

 

[sleepinoz]

Except it's a mini-van without a trunk, per se..... so do they have like a middle seat and a back seat and a back storage area? I'm thinking maybe middle seat or back seat was where the blood was. There'd have to be enough room for Jennifer. Maybe I can find something online about the seat layout.....

Momrids could answer this, I think she said she has the same car

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Took me forever to catch up! I did on my phone so I couldn't thank but would have everyone if I could! Great points made!

A few thoughts...

I've never heard of allergies causing bloody noses. I'd think her doctor could weigh in on whether this is a problem she has.

The blood in the car... That news was like someone hit me in the gut. . That cannot be good. Why on earth would they not be worried?? Why would they not want searches high and low ASAP??? Blood cold mean injury so time would have been of the essence. If i were m husband missing and blood found in the car I would not leave the police station til I got answers and saw searches being done. Being the push for no searches there is no doubt in my mind that someone didn't want them. And for LnM to release the blood info....how is that protecting the kids? They are worried about them reading a FB page or website with people who want to HELP and are acting to help (aka armchair detectives) but they aren't afraid of the kids hearing first hand about blood being found or that their Dad admitted to an affair?!? Makes no sense to me. Said bf would have to be blind to not see that someone isn't completely innocent. To still be involved now and standing by his side and playing Mommy to his kids makes me think maybe, (jjmo) there was some help with this.
A theory...

JR was talking to her bf about being suspicious of her husband being unfaithful. Bf went to GR told him JR knew. Affair ended. Moved back to her husband to not cause more suspicion. GR feels guilt, comes clean to JR that morning- never confirming it was her bf (then article would be correct JR "didn't know"). Argument occurs. JRs MS page said when mad she throws things. Rings tossed in argument. Maybe a push, shove, trip, something led to her accidentally dying. Quick cover up to hide body and some blood gets on van. GR confides to bf and she covers for him believing she too is at fault be ause of the argument/accident being from her actions.

I can't shake the feeling that bf/tryst partner is involved in some way.

IMO...,This theory is a possibility...

And I, too, cannot shake the feeling that non- mistress has at least an IDEA of what happened...

JMO

 

[krey]

Momrids could answer this, I think she said she has the same car

Good deal!

 

[Jilllian]

JR was talking to her bf about being suspicious of her husband being unfaithful. Bf went to GR told him JR knew. Affair ended. Moved back to her husband to not cause more suspicion. GR feels guilt, comes clean to JR that morning- never confirming it was her bf (then article would be correct JR "didn't know"). Argument occurs. JRs MS page said when mad she throws things. Rings tossed in argument. Maybe a push, shove, trip, something led to her accidentally dying. Quick cover up to hide body and some blood gets on van. GR confides to bf and she covers for him believing she too is at fault be ause of the argument/accident being from her actions.

I can't shake the feeling that bf/tryst partner is involved in some way.

Narcissists don't feel guilt. No conscience=no guilt. They can feign it very well though. One of their skills is making OTHER people feel guilty through deflection, and they feel like whatever they do to their victim, is something the victim had coming. Harsh, but true.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Me Too Clue - I've put the chair in my signature. :great:

Oh My Gosh... You are QUICK!

I was reading your post asking about possible smilies for Armchair Detectives...

And I thought about the Rocking Chair dude/dudette...and there you already had it in your siggy! :thumb:

 

[sleepinoz]

IMO...,This theory is a possibility...

And I, too, cannot shake the feeling that non- mistress has at least an IDEA of what happened...

JMO

Agree, she must know something or she is blinded by the charm that seems to effect many others.

 

[krey]

See last comment: https://www.facebook.com/#!/MissingJenniferRamsaran/posts/133938093442453

IMO, the only reason the info about the blood was put out there was because the reporter already knew about it, so GR/CC responded in an effort to minimize the importance of it. I don't think GR/CC would have revealed it if the reporter hadn't already known.

I'm surprised they admitted to the affair (oops, NON-affair, silly me), but whatever made them decide to discuss it, it was definitely an attempt at damage control.

 

[mijamawi]

Took me forever to catch up! I did on my phone so I couldn't thank but would have everyone if I could! Great points made!

A few thoughts...

I've never heard of allergies causing bloody noses. I'd think her doctor could weigh in on whether this is a problem she has.
The blood in the car... That news was like someone hit me in the gut. . That cannot be good. Why on earth would they not be worried?? Why would they not want searches high and low ASAP??? Blood cold mean injury so time would have been of the essence. If i were m husband missing and blood found in the car I would not leave the police station til I got answers and saw searches being done. Being the push for no searches there is no doubt in my mind that someone didn't want them. And for LnM to release the blood info....how is that protecting the kids? They are worried about them reading a FB page or website with people who want to HELP and are acting to help (aka armchair detectives) but they aren't afraid of the kids hearing first hand about blood being found or that their Dad admitted to an affair?!? Makes no sense to me. Said bf would have to be blind to not see that someone isn't completely innocent. To still be involved now and standing by his side and playing Mommy to his kids makes me think maybe, (jjmo) there was some help with this.
A theory...

JR was talking to her bf about being suspicious of her husband being unfaithful. Bf went to GR told him JR knew. Affair ended. Moved back to her husband to not cause more suspicion. GR feels guilt, comes clean to JR that morning- never confirming it was her bf (then article would be correct JR "didn't know"). Argument occurs. JRs MS page said when mad she throws things. Rings tossed in argument. Maybe a push, shove, trip, something led to her accidentally dying. Quick cover up to hide body and some blood gets on van. GR confides to bf and she covers for him believing she too is at fault be ause of the argument/accident being from her actions.

I can't shake the feeling that bf/tryst partner is involved in some way.

BBM

I've not heard of allergies causing nose bleeds necessarily, but I know if the air is dry, I will get nosebleeds. However, it usually happens AFTER I blow my nose. I've never just been sitting there and my nose starts bleeding. I know it's different for everyone. I just think it's pretty convenient.

 

[Amanda79]

Narcissists don't feel guilt. No conscience=no guilt. They can feign it very well though. One of their skills is making OTHER people feel guilty through deflection, and they feel like whatever they do to their victim, is something the victim had coming. Harsh, but true.

True. Maybe guilt was a bad word choice... Fear over losing the kids, possessions, reputation tarnished if JR left and now if truth gets out. So what better way to deflect his wrong doings than to make JR out t o be the bad person with changing character and Internet friends. Obviously he is trying hard to push the crazy Internet stranger theory by using that "other FB page" stalker lines. Ect. Internet people are so crazy! :what: What do I know I met my husband there. :blushing: It was a t&c van, right? I have a 2012 and my Aunt an older one. Both have center bucket with space in between, third row bench, and the stowaway is pretty good size...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Big Big Kudos to Joe Mahoney of The Daily Star....:tyou:

I would send him a love letter :blowkiss:. .. If it didn't seem so creepy! :blushing:

These two articles from yesterday and today have been INCREDIBLY instrumental in getting more sides of this case out to the public...

This case is taking an evident turn in direction...for the good!

In fact... As some posters have mentioned... The following of The Daily Star is much greater than the amount of people the organization GR is affiliated with is able to reach...

And... Most important... Mr. Mahoney is giving Jennifer a PUBLIC voice... One that she has needed since she disappeared....and I can't help thinking...one she could have used before... Too!

Now... Am I being too greedy hoping for another article from Mr.Mahoney in the Sunday Daily Star tomorrow? lease:

 

[Jilllian]

True. Maybe guilt was a bad word choice... Fear over losing the kids, possessions, reputation tarnished if JR left and now if truth gets out. So what better way to deflect his wrong doings than to make JR out t o be the bad person with changing character and Internet friends. Obviously he is trying hard to push the crazy Internet stranger theory by using that "other FB page" stalker lines. Ect. Internet people are so crazy! :what: What do I know I met my husband there. :blushing: It was a t&c van, right? I have a 2012 and my Aunt an older one. Both have center bucket with space in between, third row bench, and the stowaway is pretty good size...

Sounds about right!
IMO, he had everything to lose if Jen was to stay (child support, custody, 1/2 of properties, 1/2 of pension, alimony/maintenance, reputation, and of course, his mistress).

 

[Amanda79]

I was just thinking about the nosebleed story and where in the car it would have been found, if it could have been from Jenn OR her son?? I am assuming it was found on fabric or carpet.

Not the drivers seat...son is too young.

Passenger seat....Is her son old enough to ride in the front seat in NY State?
and with a family of 5, how often could he have had the chance to ride up front?

Back seat....Naaa, I can't tell you that I have ever, sat in the back as a parent.

Trunk....This is the most logical. If the door was up, either of them could have leaned in...or sat down to wipe face?


Now, lets assume that Jennifer had been harmed and was put in the car and blood dripped...
Drivers seat or passenger seat......no
Backseat...maybe
trunk....most likely

The passenger seat goes back flat. So possibly would be easier to get something into. The very back would be very difficult. The middle to can be crowded with the seats. It does have stowaway so seats could be stowed and there would be plenty of space. The stowaway too is big. The trunk does dip down into the van quite a bit and once again you can stow he back benches to get a large area. On topic of he van, mine has snow tires and I can drive through lots of snow...

 

[LolaAngelina]

Big Big Kudos to Joe Mahoney of The Daily Star....:tyou:

I would send him a love letter :blowkiss:. .. If it didn't seem so creepy! :blushing:

These two articles from yesterday and today have been INCREDIBLY instrumental in getting more sides of this case out to the public...

This case is taking an evident turn in direction...for the good!

In fact... As some posters have mentioned... The following of The Daily Star is much greater than the amount of people the organization GR is affiliated with is able to reach...

And... Most important... Mr. Mahoney is giving Jennifer a PUBLIC voice... One that she has needed since she disappeared....and I can't help thinking...one she could have used before... Too!

Now... Am I being too greedy hoping for another article from Mr.Mahoney in the Sunday Daily Star tomorrow? lease:

BBM - Haha a love letter, very cute!

I'm thinking there will be many more articles. I don't think Mr.Mahoney or the daily star will be appreciating all the comments said organization are making about the them.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

True. Maybe guilt was a bad word choice... Fear over losing the kids, possessions, reputation tarnished if JR left and now if truth gets out. So what better way to deflect his wrong doings than to make JR out t o be the bad person with changing character and Internet friends. Obviously he is trying hard to push the crazy Internet stranger theory by using that "other FB page" stalker lines. Ect. Internet people are so crazy! :what: What do I know I met my husband there. :blushing: It was a t&c van, right? I have a 2012 and my Aunt an older one. Both have center bucket with space in between, third row bench, and the stowaway is pretty good size...

Thank you for the information regarding your vehicle that is similar to Jenn's!

and... Jumping off your post...

I am interested in the way that so little information regarding GR is revealed to the public by GR and CC.... In deference to the ongoing investigation...

Yet... There have been multiple reports by these same people reporting Jenn's computer activity... And LE has continuously reported that tech info.cannot be reported publicly yet....

Soooo...facts regarding GR are hidden.... And insinuations about Jennifer are blatantly reported!

Double Standard much?

:waitasec:

 

[krey]

Yep, I think the mistress was definitely Motive Numero Uno.

And if his goal was to get ES back by getting JR out of the way, it appears to have worked!!

As for ES - Lavanda said in one of her posts that ES loves Jennifer, but I find this extremely hard to believe. If she loved Jennifer, she wouldn't swoop back in the second JR "left" and start hooking up with her husband again. If she loved Jennifer, she never would have done it in the first place. She makes me :furious:. If there's one thing you should be able to count on in life, it would be that your best friend won't steal your husband. :furious: