Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 5

[momrids6]

My disclaimer is that if GR is innocent, I will feel horrible however, he has not put himself out there in a positive light. Nor does anything or anyone affiliated with him. In fact, these things - comments, chaos, diversion, etc. have only compounded my theory.

Good morning ! Before I spend my day as soccer and baseball mom- i.e, the bank, the taxi, food truck, and the cheer squad; I had to check in. Anyone visiting should be able to see just how much strangers care about Jennifer- by the amount of people on here this early on a Sat.

Ljuicy- you are a more forgiving person than I- because I believe, no matter what happened, GR is far from innocent- He is the cause.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

FWIW... I just sent Mr. Joe Mahoney of The Daily Star an email thanking him for being a public voice for Jennifer...

I shared with him that there is a group of people on Websleuths.com that are working hard to ferret out the truth from the fiction regarding this case...

And that he is so appreciated for helping us in this endeavor...:seeya:

(Note:.. It wasn't exactly a love letter :blowkiss:...but was close to it! :giggle

 

[fringles]

I still have a gut feeling there is more of a connection between LnM and GR if the onion could be peeled back, more so than a $$$$ connection... be it via a family friend, a school connection or someone close to LaVonda that requested GR support - just a gut feeling with the timing of her coming on board to support and her non stop support of GR more so than JR.

What made me suspicious were some cyptic comments on the JRMP page about some calls soon after some of the drama between the FB pages took place.

Mods I apologise if this is too far- happy to delete or be deleted. This is interesting and I hadn't thought of it- I saw those comments too, if we're thinking of the same ones, but I thought they were referring to taking action against people on the HFJ page. I viewed them as threatening. But this is a different way to look at it, and could be equally true. Or it could be something else entirely.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

RE: If a pool of blood anything bigger than drops = foul play - as I agree a nosebleed would be collected by someone prepared with napkins or tissues or a towel to collect it... and if in back seat and it is JR's then a definate foul play link...

Seems that it would be reasonable to conclude that a person that has reoccurring nose bleeds would also have a handkerchief or kleenex handy. Since JR's dad located her van. Imo, there was likely enough blood residue visible to indicate foul play.

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van

Ganesh Ramsaran said he did not personally see the blood in the vehicle, but was advised by investigators that a quantity of blood was in the van after it was located in Norwich by Jennifer Ramsaran’s father

http://www.finalanalysisforensics.com/docs/BasicBloodstainPatternAnalysisTEXT.pdf

Bloodstain pattern analysis involves the scientific study of the static consequences
resulting from dynamic blood shedding events. A detailed study of bloodstain
patterns at crime scenes often develops invaluable evidence. The distribution, size
and shape of bloodstains on a victim, on a suspect, or on the walls, floors, ceilings, or
on objects at the scene can help reconstruct these blood shedding events. Bloodstain
pattern analysis can also help one evaluate the credibility of statements provided by a
witness, a victim, or a suspect.
Physical evidence waits to be detected, preserved, evaluated, and analyzed. Herb
McDonnell once said that in the course of a trial, both defense attorneys and
prosecuting attorneys may lie, witnesses may lie, and the defendant certainly may lie.
Yes, even the judge may lie. Only the evidence never lies.

Thank you for this information regarding the undisputed evidence blood can be in an analysis of a questionable crime...

:rocker:

 

[Bettylou4you]

Wouldn't correct response of GR to hearing blood was found in the van to be 'oh my god, i hope that means she didn't harm herself, or that she was not violently abducted! Its makes it all the more desperate we search and find her!' Not to write it off with some absurd rationalization. Maybe when she threw the cell phone out the window it bounced off a rock then came back in the van and hit her in the nose and turned itself on.

Seriously, not trying to make light of any of this but to point out the extreme lengthspeople are going to to rationalize away evidence. What is the point?

 

[mikkismom]

See last comment: https://www.facebook.com/#!/MissingJenniferRamsaran/posts/133938093442453

IMO, the only reason the info about the blood was put out there was because the reporter already knew about it, so GR/CC responded in an effort to minimize the importance of it. I don't think GR/CC would have revealed it if the reporter hadn't already known.

I'm surprised they admitted to the affair (oops, NON-affair, silly me), but whatever made them decide to discuss it, it was definitely an attempt at damage control.

Seems to be another glitch - won't come up for me. Also, all references to the Daily Star article have been removed :waitasec:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I so agree!!!CuriousGrace:rocker:

We did a search yesterday on foot in an area closer to JRs home. It has been decided to bring the dogs and horses next time....looks like GR may not need our rope...is there no end to his ego? :furious: Yea, that would make me want to come home re: news articles...he knows...he always has known. I hope everyone of us are proven wrong, and she is out having a blast. Instead, we are planning another search. If it were my loved one, nothing would stop me from searching for them. I can only imagine how crazy he could make her feel...The focus must remain on Jennifer...it must.

:gthanks:

Thank you for all your dedication and perseverance in searching for Jennifer!

:seeya:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Wouldn't correct response of GR to hearing blood was found in the van to be 'oh my god, i hope that means she didn't harm herself, or that she was not violently abducted! Its makes it all the more desperate we search and find her!' Not to write it off with some absurd rationalization. Maybe when she threw the cell phone out the window it bounced off a rock then came back in the van and hit her in the nose and turned itself on.

Seriously, not trying to make light of any of this but to point out the extreme lengthspeople are going to to rationalize away evidence. What is the point?

:silly:

Phone bouncing off rock... Coming back IN TO van... Breaking nose to cause a nosebleed!

You never know... We may just find this excuse to add to the litany of the other preposterous "explanations" by one certain running scared puppy!

:giggle:

 

[Bettylou4you]

I'm still wrestling with ..

Do i prefer being an

“obsessed Internet stalker”

Or

Armchair detective.

I'll go with “obsessed Internet stalkers”. Strikes more fear into those trying to hide something.

 

[imamaze]

Who was it that stated ES and JR were best friends? Insiders? GR?

Not for sure if this was answered or not. rickblaine verified that GR was having an affair with Jennifer's best friend. LNM said that wasn't true at first (didn't say the best friend was wrong) but then she called it a tryst.

I'm not sure how it came out it was ES that was the best friend they were talking about though.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Seems to be another glitch - won't come up for me. Also, all references to the Daily Star article have been removed :waitasec:

The page is no longer there for me, too! :waitasec:

could it have been time expired? :dunno:

 

[Caring4Many]

Took me forever to catch up! I did on my phone so I couldn't thank but would have everyone if I could! Great points made!

A few thoughts...

I've never heard of allergies causing bloody noses. I'd think her doctor could weigh in on whether this is a problem she has.

The blood in the car... That news was like someone hit me in the gut. . That cannot be good. Why on earth would they not be worried?? Why would they not want searches high and low ASAP??? Blood cold mean injury so time would have been of the essence. If i were m husband missing and blood found in the car I would not leave the police station til I got answers and saw searches being done. Being the push for no searches there is no doubt in my mind that someone didn't want them. And for LnM to release the blood info....how is that protecting the kids? They are worried about them reading a FB page or website with people who want to HELP and are acting to help (aka armchair detectives) but they aren't afraid of the kids hearing first hand about blood being found or that their Dad admitted to an affair?!? Makes no sense to me. Said bf would have to be blind to not see that someone isn't completely innocent. To still be involved now and standing by his side and playing Mommy to his kids makes me think maybe, (jjmo) there was some help with this.
A theory...

JR was talking to her bf about being suspicious of her husband being unfaithful. Bf went to GR told him JR knew. Affair ended. Moved back to her husband to not cause more suspicion. GR feels guilt, comes clean to JR that morning- never confirming it was her bf (then article would be correct JR "didn't know"). Argument occurs. JRs MS page said when mad she throws things. Rings tossed in argument. Maybe a push, shove, trip, something led to her accidentally dying. Quick cover up to hide body and some blood gets on van. GR confides to bf and she covers for him believing she too is at fault be ause of the argument/accident being from her actions.

I can't shake the feeling that bf/tryst partner is involved in some way.

I had to laugh at myself reading your post as I usually think bf=boyfriend, BFF=bestfriend & I was getting all turned around initially. Then I think my coffee kicked in! Lol

There is so much here I can agree with. For starters-I think it'd make more sense if he'd said that they'd all been sick and because of the changing weather & dryness if the season they were having nosebleeds-we've had this in our house. (But never have left blood to dry up anywhere!)

The agression-I don't recall anything being said ever about any prior abuse-anyone else? It may be a stretch but before JRs page was changed & things deleted I noticed that GR was not always as fit, I wondered if it was possible if he was a steroid(or other type of enhancer) user. We all know the side effects of these things.

As for as for ES she's no any type of best friend is want. No matter if it was once or 6mths full of carrying on with GR, then for JR to go missing & ES doesn't even make a statement saying "she's my best friend -please find her!" & goes on to inject herself into the family with the children & defend GR all over FB to no avail even making statements about the case as if she has privileged info? Yehhh no thank you! Poor Jennifer.

 

[Hexe]

True. Maybe guilt was a bad word choice... Fear over losing the kids, possessions, reputation tarnished if JR left and now if truth gets out.

I would put that shorter: Fear over losing control. Narcissist are all about control and power, they love it, crave it and cannot exist without it (the "Nobody leaves me, I'd rather kill'em than let them go" behavior is a symptom of it). So if Jennifer discovered GR's non-affair and demanded divorce that would mean he was losing control over her and over their relationship. What is more the divorce would cost GR financially and it would destroy his rep of a family man, and the reputation, even if completely fake, is another precious thing for narcissists.

So what better way to deflect his wrong doings than to make JR out t o be the bad person with changing character and Internet friends. Obviously he is trying hard to push the crazy Internet stranger theory by using that "other FB page" stalker lines. Ect. Internet people are so crazy! :what:

Exactly. If he succeeded she would look like the bad one, leaving her family, and he would be perceived as the brave single father (more attention and sympathy for him!). And he could carry on with his non-affair without a wife being a nuisance.

 

[Bettylou4you]

The page is no longer there for me, too! :waitasec:

could it have been time expired? :dunno:

Its here for me
http://m.thedailystar.com/thedailystar/pm_112947/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=wB2LAvXF

 

[Caring4Many]

BBM

I've not heard of allergies causing nose bleeds necessarily, but I know if the air is dry, I will get nosebleeds. However, it usually happens AFTER I blow my nose. I've never just been sitting there and my nose starts bleeding. I know it's different for everyone. I just think it's pretty convenient.

Maybe she's been watching Scandal & thinks she can be the next Olivia Pope? Not working to well... :floorlaugh:

ODD THIS ISN'T THE QUOTE I ATTACHED?

 

[Foxfire]

Seems to be another glitch - won't come up for me. Also, all references to the Daily Star article have been removed :waitasec:

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1503756987/Report-Blood-found-in-missing-womans-van

February 22, 2013
Report: Blood found in missing woman's van
By Joe Mahoney
The Daily Star

Police found blood stains
read more-

 

[Foxfire]

http://cnynews.com/jennifer-ramsarans-husband-breaks-silence-video/

Husband of Missing Jennifer Ramsaran Breaks Silence (VIDEO)
By Daniel J. Cassavaugh 4 weeks ago

________________________________

"My opinion; Oscar nominees for the 2013 Academy Awards should include GR"..

 

[LadyBugSTL]

Wouldn't correct response of GR to hearing blood was found in the van to be 'oh my god, i hope that means she didn't harm herself, or that she was not violently abducted! Its makes it all the more desperate we search and find her!' Not to write it off with some absurd rationalization. Maybe when she threw the cell phone out the window it bounced off a rock then came back in the van and hit her in the nose and turned itself on.

Seriously, not trying to make light of any of this but to point out the extreme lengthspeople are going to to rationalize away evidence. What is the point?

OK, so I've just asked my (poor long-suffering husband of an armchair detective) the latest of what has been a series of hypothetical questions I've asked since Jen's plight became public: (actually I do the same for many cases I follow - especially for those I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around)

"What would your reponse be if I were missing, my vehicle was later located, and an investigator told you there was blood found in my car?"

His immediate response: "Something's wrong!" "She's been hurt or killed!". "Go find the that hurt my wife!" "Get the dogs, get people out there now!" "Let me get out there and find my wife, she might be hurt and needs help!" "I'm physically getting out there and finding my wife, NOW!" "I'm not stopping until I find her and what happened to her!".

And then he took a breath and said......

"Oh, wait! This is about Jennifer and her husband in New York?" "Well, that guy's just not right......."

And then I told him about the "nosebleed claim".

...and all he could say was "There's something seriously wrong there.........."

I think he's been rendered speechless......

 

[LadyBugSTL]

The only thing I can come up with is maybe to steer the attention away from ES .... don't imagine she would be too thrilled about the tryst being confirmed to the public.


Found this article interesting ..

"Cardinal Signs of a Compulsive Liar
1. The reason why it is so difficult to identify a compulsive liar is because the lies they tell are quite probable, and hence believable.
2. The most obvious sign of a compulsive liar is that his/her stories don't conform. What they tell you today may not be in line with what they may tell you the next week.
3. Compulsive Liars lie ceaselessly. Their lying habit is relentless. They will lie at every possible opportunity, even if it is absolutely unnecessary.
4. The final sign of compulsive lying is that compulsive liars will often admit to an instance of lying if they are confronted with enough facts and proofs."


http://www.buzzle.com/articles/signs-of-compulsive-lying.html

{{{{{{{ Yes!!!!!! }}}}}}}}

 

[LadyBugSTL]

JR's family has the contact information for the billboards, but haven't acted on it yet. We have permission to go ahead with a different billboard, a large one about a mile from where her car was found, so we're working on that, as it doesn't require the family to do the leg work for it. There's a cost to it ($327) though, so we're working on that without having to request funding for it publicly, because Lord knows how that worked last time...

What's telling, IMO, is that the family hasn't acted on the two billboards that require them (as family) to get the ball rolling. FEAR.

I agree - very telling!

Question - Have Jen's parents or sister been contacted about the two billboards - would their authorization be enough to get them up?

Thank you for everything you are doing! You're wonderful!!!!!!