Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 9

[zwiebel]

enzeder guided me to the media links thread, and now I've got stuck on the fb thing again.
It really is bugging me. This article here says the all-volunteer group 'managed the publicity campaign for Jennifer Ramsaran, including taking over her facebook page'.

Does it actually mean Jennifer's own fb page? I still think that is not allowed and only Jennifer (maybe) could give her permission for it to be accessed. I'm going to try and look it up to be certain.

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Ramsaran-Mommy-is-with-us-at-all-times-194340031.html

 

[thefox]

There are no words. Could they really be that stupid?!:what:

The link is broken. But I went by the Sheff rd. residence on Saturday morning and there was a small silver/grey car in the driveway I've never seen there before.

 

[sleepinoz]

enzeder guided me to the media links thread, and now I've got stuck on the fb thing again.
It really is bugging me. This article here says the all-volunteer group 'managed the publicity campaign for Jennifer Ramsaran, including taking over her facebook page'.

Does it actually mean Jennifer's own fb page? I still think that is not allowed and only Jennifer (maybe) could give her permission for it to be accessed. I'm going to try and look it up to be certain.

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Ramsaran-Mommy-is-with-us-at-all-times-194340031.html

No they didn't take over Jennifer's page, her husband had the password and has made most everything private or deleted. LnM took over the page that GR had started, by friends - for Jennifer - the Missing Page. Another page was started by others with the support of Jennifers Parents and Sister - Help Find page.

 

[terracotta]

A new day...a new week...

In thinking things over it is clear that GR tries to lay the information down before the question is asked. Therefore he wants to pave the way for the "story" that he has created. So if we look at the things he has said...like he will always remember her smile...and if she only knew how much we loved her....past tense in his first interview...he knew she was not alive. He also got very clear and said she was losing weight in an unhealthy way....could that be part of COD?

I researched weight loss drugs..maybe she was taking them and she had a heart incident with them, they interacted with the current meds she was taking. From the beginning I thought that maybe they had an argument and she fell down the stairs...whether tripping on her own or being pushed....then he panicked and came up with the whole story.

He has mentioned the rapid weight loss multiple times...is that part of how she passed. When CC implied in her horrific commentary that maybe she passed naturally and he panicked...maybe this is what happened. JR being woozy from weight loss drugs or maybe not eating at all or even bulimia...who knows...but something he considers not natural....and she had an accident so he felt responsible because of the argument.

I think it takes a truly evil person to premeditate murder, but I can imagine him not wanting to be married to her anymore, wanting to move on with his new chickie, they argue, push each others buttons and an accident or even rage happened. What if she fell down the stairs and broke her neck....or hit her head...what if she was still conscious and he was taking her to the hospital and she passed in the car and he totally panicked.

I think that GR panicking is either really what happened or again...part of his defense.

Also I think that weight loss drugs or such will be part of it.....maybe a heart attack, stroke??

 

[thefox]

Under normal circumstances, you would think so. Especially at that time immediately after the 16th when the van was found at Plank Road Manor.

They didn't bring in dogs from Madison or Oneida to search along Canasawacta Creek. The State Police or the Forest Service wasn't contacted to conduct a possible search in that immediate Moon Hill/Pigeon Hill/Reservoir Hill vicinity.

I believe that the LE was under the impression that she had run away, and read the ditched van and the ditched phone as indications of that, due in part to LE's missing persons report stating that she may have changed her appearance, which was courtesy of GR.

I know for a fact that shortly after jr went missing LE along with dec rangers searched all the bridges, box culverts and pipes on SR 23 from Norwich to Cincinnatus.

 

[zwiebel]

ETA: Reply to sleepinoz post, above.

Oh, so the news report was just a little ambiguous.

Anyway, I am shocked to read GR did it. All my friends at big computer firms are really up on rules surrounding proper/improper use of peoples' passwords they may gain access to. I suppose they feel it could reflect badly on their employer too, if they were found to be doing something improper.

GR definitely wasn't allowed to do it. Terms of service.

Bullet point 8, at the link.

'Getting banned from Facebook -Every user is required to a accept and adhere
to Facebook's terms of use. These terms include:
.........You will not access an account belonging to someone else.'

http://ikeepcurrent.org/static/less...assword Without Permission May Be a Crime.pdf

 

[Mookie]

A new day...a new week...

In thinking things over it is clear that GR tries to lay the information down before the question is asked. Therefore he wants to pave the way for the "story" that he has created. So if we look at the things he has said...like he will always remember her smile...and if she only knew how much we loved her....past tense in his first interview...he knew she was not alive. He also got very clear and said she was losing weight in an unhealthy way....could that be part of COD?

I researched weight loss drugs..maybe she was taking them and she had a heart incident with them, they interacted with the current meds she was taking. From the beginning I thought that maybe they had an argument and she fell down the stairs...whether tripping on her own or being pushed....then he panicked and came up with the whole story.

He has mentioned the rapid weight loss multiple times...is that part of how she passed. When CC implied in her horrific commentary that maybe she passed naturally and he panicked...maybe this is what happened. JR being woozy from weight loss drugs or maybe not eating at all or even bulimia...who knows...but something he considers not natural....and she had an accident so he felt responsible because of the argument.

I think it takes a truly evil person to premeditate murder, but I can imagine him not wanting to be married to her anymore, wanting to move on with his new chickie, they argue, push each others buttons and an accident or even rage happened. What if she fell down the stairs and broke her neck....or hit her head...what if she was still conscious and he was taking her to the hospital and she passed in the car and he totally panicked.

I think that GR panicking is either really what happened or again...part of his defense.

Also I think that weight loss drugs or such will be part of it.....maybe a heart attack, stroke??

This is an interesting scenario. Any of the locals know where someone would likely go for emergency care from GR and JR's house? Do people from around there typically drive to an emergency room rather than call 911?

 

[zwiebel]

I think it may well be right that it takes a truly evil person to commit a premeditated murder. I think people rarely recognise them as such though. I think most murderers appear just ordinary. Even nice.

That's why so many people get murdered, imo. They never see it coming.

 

[Caring4Many]

Not sure what FB rules are...but I think the folks who have deleted postings and taken over her page aren't too concerned with rules...except when using them to try to get posts deleted from OTHER facebook pages

I'm still trying to catch up-not sure anyone has clarified this for you yet. LNM did not takeover JRs page. Her page is under her name Jennifer Renz Ramsaran. They took over the missing person page that GR had created & was posting to, he had been on her personal page & changed it from public to private & from what I've read from those on it at the time-also deleted some of things she had on there as well. I can see how the 2 would be confused.

 

[Abigail]

BBM
Do you/did you know JR and GR personally? Just dont understand how you can be so sure that GR has an alcohol abuse problem (a few nights out drinking doesnt equal an alcohol abuse problem)
How do you know Jen was open to natural remedies?

Excuse me, WHERE did I say he had an alcohol abuse problem. What I said was, he definitely used alcohol, sometimes to excess, according to his own FB posting. If excessive drinking led to betraying his wife with her best friend (as we have been told by his PR rep), that might indicate an alcohol abuse problem. :cow:

I don't "know" Jenn was open to natural remedies. I said I thought she was; reason was a posting she made on a site related to her physical condition that hinted to that.

Repeat (for 3rd time): NOT an insider -- good friend of a friend of Jenn's

 

[dansmom]

Plus, another killer would have had to know when she would have been leaving her house, what route she was taking (info probably only known to GR and herself), and somehow gotten her to stop her van, then killed her and left her body...but there would also be logistics with 2 vehicles

Knowing the route when perhaps there was no trip planned. Only GR says there was a trip planned. Interesting that their daughter still went to her concert and likely had a dress to wear.
The route was selected by the husband ( and everything that followed was planted to look as if...).There are so many other ways to get to Syracuse.Therefore another person, lying in wait is impossible- in my opinion. I lived in New Berlin and commuted daily for 3 years to Syracuse. I took different routes to break up the monotony. Nobody else confirmed her route because there was no trip planned..

 

[Abigail]

Thanks to those who conducted their own experiments to prove GR could have moved the body on his own. I believe any of those methods and others are very possible. I saw my skinny husband put a car engine in the back of his pickup only last week, by himself, using only two boards and a very rudimentary understanding of physics so I have no doubt GR could have figured out something. All MOO.

Yep, GR is smart, he could have figured out how to get that body in there, if brute strength wasn't sufficient.

 

[zwiebel]

OK, thank you for confirming that whoever deleted the messages from her gaming account would have to know her password, log-in info, and email address.

And...a motive for deleting them.

Oh no, here I go again. Is someone ALLOWED to access another person's gaming account?

 

[Abigail]

There are no words. Could they really be that stupid?!:what:

link down now??

 

[zwiebel]

I'm still trying to catch up-not sure anyone has clarified this for you yet. LNM did not takeover JRs page. Her page is under her name Jennifer Renz Ramsaran. They took over the missing person page that GR had created & was posting to, he had been on her personal page & changed it from public to private & from what I've read from those on it at the time-also deleted some of things she had on there as well. I can see how the 2 would be confused.

Yes thanks, it was clarified. GR wasn't allowed to do that. I posted a link earlier citing fb terms of service. A person who accesses another's facebook will be banned, according to that.

 

[Abigail]

Yes, I am quoting myself lol... To clarify

On a more serious note: We know GR at least had one drink:rocker:...to quote a graphic that I can no longer link to, due to page shutdown by GR...
"Alcohol...because no good story ever started with a salad" I thought the question was relevant after the"tryst" confession

As for Jennifer..in her own words..she describes her meds and conditions here-yes, I know it was posed before, this is the victim is posting
https://www.facebook.com/Autoimmuni...omment_id=24850375&offset=0&total_comments=11

ETA- Red flag thought...could JR have been ingesting something prior to her medical issues???...please read both if her comments..ie: Funny thing is, I wasn't on anything when all this started.

Being a gamer myself, I believe that there may have been some online gaming of of many varieties...but that is MOO :twocents:

Due to their athletic abilities, and both Gr and JR with recent weight loss...the possibility of using products to enhance is certainly a valid question.:moo:

My query is just to cover all topics that may or may not have a place in the loss of our beautiful, young mother.

When she said "I wasn't on anything" when her issues started, I took that to mean she wasn't on any prescription drugs, which can sometimes wreak havoc with immune system, and could contribute to an auto-immune response.

GR indicated that she had lost a lot of weight recently in an unhealthy way. That could indicate diet pills. But...I take anything he says with a grain of salt.

 

[dansmom]

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Originally Posted by Jilllian
http://www.wbng.com/home/Husband-Spe...188917661.html

this is from 01/29.
watching it again after time has passed makes it look even more sketchy.
body language and affect changes instantly when talking about those who support him, to those who don't. reminds me of those "clap on/clap off!" commercials.

note at the beginning of the video, the reporter said that "in the two months since his wife's disappearance, Ganesh Ramsaran had not agreed to an interview until now."

what i noticed this time that i hadn't last time, is that the reporter says at the very end, something like "Ganesh Ramsaran has offered to take a DNA and lie detector test IF it would help with the investigation."

this was dated 01/29/13.

pretty sure he had already taken a poly and failed prior to this date. if he had passed, would he not (still even now) be shouting it very loudly for all to hear, in an attempt to clear his name? he's been pretty vocal about his "air tight" alibis, so why not the results of the poly?


This was from thread #9

BBM
This is the quote about the polygraph. There is also a subsequent post by robinsj ( ?) supporting this

 

[yupikgirl]

link down now??

Shocker...no idea if it got out of hand or if someone reported enough and it was removed. I have been out and didnt see anything that would make me think it had to be removed by Jillian (fighting, trolls, etc).

Anyway it was a comment that ES and GR were living together. No idea on the truth behind it and I didn't get a screen shot because I was on my ipad :sigh:

 

[zwiebel]

Can anyone recall the name of that gaming site off hand? If not, I'll go back through the thread.

 

[Caring4Many]

Shocker...no idea if it got out of hand or if someone reported enough and it was removed. I have been out and didnt see anything that would make me think it had to be removed by Jillian (fighting, trolls, etc).

Anyway it was a comment that ES and GR were living together. No idea on the truth behind it and I didn't get a screen shot because I was on my ipad :sigh:

I'm not sure if my photo album is fixed-mods tried-but I got a screenshot early on-not all comments, just first 3. If album opens its in there, just added it.