Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 9

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terracotta said:
A new day...a new week...

In thinking things over it is clear that GR tries to lay the information down before the question is asked. Therefore he wants to pave the way for the "story" that he has created. So if we look at the things he has said...like he will always remember her smile...and if she only knew how much we loved her....past tense in his first interview...he knew she was not alive. He also got very clear and said she was losing weight in an unhealthy way....could that be part of COD?

I researched weight loss drugs..maybe she was taking them and she had a heart incident with them, they interacted with the current meds she was taking. From the beginning I thought that maybe they had an argument and she fell down the stairs...whether tripping on her own or being pushed....then he panicked and came up with the whole story.

He has mentioned the rapid weight loss multiple times...is that part of how she passed. When CC implied in her horrific commentary that maybe she passed naturally and he panicked...maybe this is what happened. JR being woozy from weight loss drugs or maybe not eating at all or even bulimia...who knows...but something he considers not natural....and she had an accident so he felt responsible because of the argument.

I think it takes a truly evil person to premeditate murder, but I can imagine him not wanting to be married to her anymore, wanting to move on with his new chickie, they argue, push each others buttons and an accident or even rage happened. What if she fell down the stairs and broke her neck....or hit her head...what if she was still conscious and he was taking her to the hospital and she passed in the car and he totally panicked.

I think that GR panicking is either really what happened or again...part of his defense.

Also I think that weight loss drugs or such will be part of it.....maybe a heart attack, stroke??
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Panicked so much he stripped her naked and threw her out like unwanted trash?
 
yupikgirl said:
Shocker...no idea if it got out of hand or if someone reported enough and it was removed. I have been out and didnt see anything that would make me think it had to be removed by Jillian (fighting, trolls, etc).

Anyway it was a comment that ES and GR were living together. No idea on the truth behind it and I didn't get a screen shot because I was on my ipad :sigh:
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Yupikgirl, you do know you can grab screenshots on an ipad, don't you?

ETA: Just in case you don't:
http://www.wikihow.com/Take-a-Screenshot-With-an-iPad
 
Caring4Many said:
Robinsj2-
I haven't heard that it was a wash prior to this. Do you have the link for this info? I recall CC/LD saying something about him not noticing, but was stating there are certain things you'd think/hope he would notice & these are things that could have been helpful. On top of all if of this-f it was a wash to pull out her color from the previous visit-why would that even render mentioning? Then her hair would be the same color it is normally? You know what I mean-again it's odd.

How's becoming a verified insider going?
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Undecided on the verified insider thing
 
terracotta said:
A new day...a new week...

In thinking things over it is clear that GR tries to lay the information down before the question is asked. Therefore he wants to pave the way for the "story" that he has created. So if we look at the things he has said...like he will always remember her smile...and if she only knew how much we loved her....past tense in his first interview...he knew she was not alive. He also got very clear and said she was losing weight in an unhealthy way....could that be part of COD?

I researched weight loss drugs..maybe she was taking them and she had a heart incident with them, they interacted with the current meds she was taking. From the beginning I thought that maybe they had an argument and she fell down the stairs...whether tripping on her own or being pushed....then he panicked and came up with the whole story.

He has mentioned the rapid weight loss multiple times...is that part of how she passed. When CC implied in her horrific commentary that maybe she passed naturally and he panicked...maybe this is what happened. JR being woozy from weight loss drugs or maybe not eating at all or even bulimia...who knows...but something he considers not natural....and she had an accident so he felt responsible because of the argument.

I think it takes a truly evil person to premeditate murder, but I can imagine him not wanting to be married to her anymore, wanting to move on with his new chickie, they argue, push each others buttons and an accident or even rage happened. What if she fell down the stairs and broke her neck....or hit her head...what if she was still conscious and he was taking her to the hospital and she passed in the car and he totally panicked.

I think that GR panicking is either really what happened or again...part of his defense.

Also I think that weight loss drugs or such will be part of it.....maybe a heart attack, stroke??
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Any of these causes of her dying don't equal the panic theory. If, in fact there was a cause related to weight loss, weight loss drugs, heart etc. There is no reason to panic. You call 911 and get help as there is a chance she could have been revived. Even our esteemed Gr would do this as he would be garnering a big to do and gaining attention.
Panic could come after pushing someone down the stairs, drowning them in a tub, strangulation or other inflicted means. These are not natural causes and there would not be what the PR person referred to as minor charges against the person who "put" the body in the place it was found.
 
Caring4Many said:
I'm not sure if my photo album is fixed-mods tried-but I got a screenshot early on-not all comments, just first 3. If album opens its in there, just added it.
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It didn't open. I wonder what's going on with that?
 
robinsj2 said:
It's hard to know what to say and not say. I don't what GR knows and don't want to give him any info.
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WELCOME, newly-verified insider Robinsj2!!

ETA: Oops. I have mistaken a title for a change of status. Sorry!
 
my thoughts for the day...
if jenn was going to disteny ( i think they were both planing on going)..
would she have not left just after getting to kids off to school . 3 kids to shower,1 husband to shower.....gr runs kids to school.........jenn waits for the hot water tank to warm back up!!.......at some point jenn then takes a shower. about 8-9:00...she is killed in the shower? (later being found unclothed).............gr leaves with her body at 10:30?( witch would explain if someone seen her van in route)...not that i have heard it was seen in route. also expaining her late departure
but i can think why she would wait untill 10:30 to leave for such a long trip alone.
i also think either would have taken back rds to sherburne, as to not be seen. or should i say towrad sherburne, as that would be the fastest route to destiny. im sure that would have been the route. , but then cut back to center rd. explaining a dirty van....
my only hang up is i dont think jenn, the phone or the van would have been placed during day light hours.
can anyone give us a known timeline for gr that day? not what he said but what has been proven.
 
zwiebel said:
WELCOME, newly-verified insider Robinsj2!!
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robinsj2 said:
It's hard to know what to say and not say. I don't what GR knows and don't want to give him any info.
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robinsj2 said:
Undecided on the verified insider thing
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Zweibel-
Robinsj2 says she's undecided not yet verified just to clarify. I think what she's trying to convey here is that's she's nervous she may give up info to GR that he doesn't already know about. An understandable nervousness but her info would be valuable if she was verified & couldn't be easily deleted.
 
dansmom said:
Any of these causes of her dying don't equal the panic theory. If, in fact there was a cause related to weight loss, weight loss drugs, heart etc. There is no reason to panic. You call 911 and get help as there is a chance she could have been revived. Even our esteemed Gr would do this as he would be garnering a big to do and gaining attention.
Panic could come after pushing someone down the stairs, drowning them in a tub, strangulation or other inflicted means. These are not natural causes and there would not be what the PR person referred to as minor charges against the person who "put" the body in the place it was found.
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Unfortunately we can not surmise what someone else would do by what "a normal" person would do. Who knows what guilt someone has...maybe he was in a horrible argument with her and he pushed her and she fell and through that had a stroke or heart attack...maybe she was taking a bath and he went in to get the hair dryer and dropped it in the tub, by accident....maybe she tripped at the top of the stairs while arguing with him and she fell down the stairs and her neck broke....IDK...I'm just trying to think of things that we haven't already discussed.

In my own opinion I do not believe it was premeditated, I believe it was an accident....I have no idea the degree of which he caused the accident to happen, whether in a rage, got physical with her or just a purely stupid thing he did caused her to be hurt or killed.

Just saying...just because it doesn't make sense to you or I...doesn't mean in a state of frenzy what someone else would do.
 
cjwoods said:
yes it is.... can it be confermd, she had planed to go?
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We have no confirmation from anyone that she actually planned to go to the Destiny Mall that day. I would assume her kids and GR would be the only ones that knew that. So really the kids are the only ones to back up that story....or if she had emailed someone or texted them of her plans that day.
 
Caring4Many said:
Zweibel-
Robinsj2 says she's undecided not yet verified just to clarify. I think what she's trying to convey here is that's she's nervous she may give up info to GR that he doesn't already know about. An understandable nervousness but her info would be valuable if she was verified & couldn't be easily deleted.
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It says verified insider at the top of his/her posts now, I thought?
 
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