NY - Karina Vetrano, 30, found murdered, Queens, 2 Aug 2016 #4

[mocity]

Thinking about the poor family of Karinas'.

I can get even more disgusted (than I already am) by how this trial will play out... and I can choose to figuratively walk away. Not read anymore about the crime , or watch any updates ; etc.

But her family and friends and other loved ones. They still have to sit through the trial and see the disgusting perp.
Day after day.
Possibly have to hear her trashed by the defense. Not sure what the def. lawyer could come up with in this case; but I've seen victims trashed before in other cases.

To the Vetrano family I extend my utmost condolences. I'm so sorry your beautiful daughter was taken from you. She had every right to live her life !

Sorry to get a little off topic but this is so true. I follow a lot of cases on here and many people always question families that aren't speaking out and seemingly doing what people "think" they should do but the fact is it won't bring their children:family back. After losing my stepsister in 1990 my step mother has been contacted by all sorts of groups expecting her to act and feel a certain way. She is a very strong woman. But it was all she could do to keep it together for her 5 other kids. Our family was a mess. Everyone was scared. Anyway, at the end of the day it is hard for families. People might not act like they think they would. Like this post says they will trash the victims however they can and perhaps families hear details that will never leave their soul. It's all about the person. Some might fight till the end and some have to do what they can to get through life. Everyone wants justice but most of all we don't want other families to suffer by losing someone. An arrest doesn't mean everyone can move on and it's time for celebration. It's a new phase of grief. Mr V's free time was consumed with finding this person which is admirable. Now he will have more time to suffer which is heartbreaking too. Thanks for listening to my random thoughts.


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[scoodyboo]

Has it been verified the father was a principal or did this info come from reporters copy/paste quoting him?

http://nypost.com/2017/02/06/jogger-murder-suspect-i-strangled-her-because-i-was-angry/ states father 'said he was former Principal at PS 181 in Brooklyn." Doesn't sound like verification.

 

[stmarysmead]

Has it been verified the father was a principal or did this info come from reporters copy/paste quoting him?

I've been wondering about this too. This family dies not seem like a font of credibility.

 

[katydid23]

What does this part mean?:
http://nypost.com/2017/02/06/jogger-...e-i-was-angry/

"Richard Lewis also showed reporters a room in his apartment at the Tilden Houses in Brownsville where he said Chanel sometimes stayed.

One wall in the room was adorned with a poster of the Ten Commandments with a star-spangled border, and a pink sheet of paper with a handwritten check list that included notes reading, “6:20 a.m. watch TV,” and “6:25 a.m. wake up richard.”



What the heck? He makes a schedule saying watch tv for 5 minutes then wake up my father? I do not get that at all....

 

[sunkissed748]

I happen to reside in Belle Harbor, NY which is part of the Rockaways where the murderer went to school. Always go to Howard Beach to shop, etc. On August 2nd the day innocent Karina Vetrano was brutally taken out, the helicopters above were clear & real. At first thought "must be a boat accident". Then breaking news told a different story. This young lady was just living her life to the fullest. The killer deserves no personal recognition. The school he went to formally was a prestigious Catholic School now a Boces type thing. Why was he allowed to roam a completely different section of NY freely, where he did not belong? Brooklyn is across Jamaica Bay & not Howard Beach or the Rockaways. Thank you Det. Russo for your persistent pursuit for justice. The father & sister of this guy are acting like uneducated fools. DNA is indefensible proof of guilt. We have a saying which in this case is appropriate "you won't be smilin' on Riker's Island". As Mrs Vetrano stated at arraignment, "Now YOUR nightmare begins!". May this arrest help the Vetrano's have a peaceful night's sleep since this unimaginable tragedy.

 

[Elley Mae]

Has it been verified the father was a principal or did this info come from reporters copy/paste quoting him?

Can't find anything just yet, but the principal that was there in 2004 till 2013 was fired for theft, he was making 141,000.00 yr. not sure who was there before that.

 

[leelee114]

I happen to reside in Belle Harbor, NY which is part of the Rockaways where the murderer went to school. Always go to Howard Beach to shop, etc. On August 2nd the day innocent Karina Vetrano was brutally taken out, the helicopters above were clear & real. At first thought "must be a boat accident". Then breaking news told a different story. This young lady was just living her life to the fullest. The killer deserves no personal recognition. The school he went to formally was a prestigious Catholic School now a Boces type thing. Why was he allowed to roam a completely different section of NY freely, where he did not belong? Brooklyn is across Jamaica Bay & not Howard Beach or the Rockaways. Thank you Det. Russo for your persistent pursuit for justice. The father & sister of this guy are acting lik uneducated fools. DNA is indefensible proof of guilt. We have a saying which in this case is appropriate "you won't be smilin' on Riker's Island". As Mrs Vetrano stated at arraignment, "Now YOUR nightmare begins!". May this arrest help the Vetrano's have a peaceful night's sleep since this unimaginable tragedy.

Why was he allowed to roam free in an area of New York where he didn't belong? Exactly what is the criteria for being allowed to roam in the area ? Is there a certain characteristic that you would like the police to look out for that says a person doesn't belong? Wrong colored shirt perhaps?

 

[leelee114]

Let me preface this by saying that everything I have seen suggests that the police have the right person. I think we are going to find out this young man is very similar to Philip Chism and I hope he will spending the rest of his life in prison.

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Ideally the Lewis family will be able to understand just how damning the evidence appears to be and will encourage him to plead guilty so Karina's family doesn't have to go through a trial. And if they take the low road the root won't be the race card it will be the family card which we have seen time and time again. Some parents can never bring themselves to face that they brought a monster into the world.

 

[Lauranyc83]

Why was he allowed to roam free in an area of New York where he didn't belong? Exactly what is the criteria for being allowed to roam in the area ? Is there a certain characteristic that you would like the police to look out for that says a person doesn't belong? Wrong colored shirt perhaps?

Agreed. There isn't any reason known to us right now why he shouldn't be allowed to roam freely. Unless he should of been under watch 24/7, then he has a right to be in whatever part of the world he wants to be. Sadly, I believe his mental illness should of been under watch more. I believe the parents ignored it because they didn't want to accept it.

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[Gardenista]

I happen to reside in Belle Harbor, NY which is part of the Rockaways where the murderer went to school. Always go to Howard Beach to shop, etc. On August 2nd the day innocent Karina Vetrano was brutally taken out, the helicopters above were clear & real. At first thought "must be a boat accident". Then breaking news told a different story. This young lady was just living her life to the fullest. The killer deserves no personal recognition. The school he went to formally was a prestigious Catholic School now a Boces type thing. Why was he allowed to roam a completely different section of NY freely, where he did not belong? Brooklyn is across Jamaica Bay & not Howard Beach or the Rockaways. Thank you Det. Russo for your persistent pursuit for justice. The father & sister of this guy are acting like uneducated fools. DNA is indefensible proof of guilt. We have a saying which in this case is appropriate "you won't be smilin' on Riker's Island". As Mrs Vetrano stated at arraignment, "Now YOUR nightmare begins!". May this arrest help the Vetrano's have a peaceful night's sleep since this unimaginable tragedy.

Wait. In NY people are required to stay in their neighborhoods and can't move freely from one area to another?

 

[Lauranyc83]

Wait. In NY people are required to stay in their neighborhoods and can't move freely from one area to another?

Then I've broken all the rules lol.

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[Lauranyc83]

"Karina Vetrano's father blasts murder suspect on (edited by me) page: 'He will pay for his crime'"

http://pix11.com/2017/02/07/karina-...r-suspect-on--page-he-will-pay-for-his-crime/

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[Lauranyc83]

I really have to stop reading the comment section on all the news articles. Everyone saying he is "slow he could never do this, he is framed, the dad did it, he found her first" good lord!!! I wish people would educate themselves first on the whole case. Her dad did not find her first, the helicopter above did and shined it's lights over where she was and he ran over and yes he saw her first. CL had to be taken to a hospital the day after for injuries to his face arm and hands. What more do they want??? I know I'm preaching to the the wrong crowd here because you all understand. But I can't even believe I'm reading post of people saying "FreeCL" what the......

I know they found evidence of clothing he wore on August 2nd. I truly hope that Karina's DNA/blood is on something. I have hope.

I can't imagine how her family is feeling if they come across these comments from people who think they are framing him. Because the rage I feel when reading it, is high.

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[Inthedetails]

I really have to stop reading the comment section on all the news articles. Everyone saying he is "slow he could never do this, he is framed, the dad did it, he found her first" good lord!!! I wish people would educate themselves first on the whole case. Her dad did not find her first, the helicopter above did and shined it's lights over where she was and he ran over and yes he saw her first. CL had to be taken to a hospital the day after for injuries to his face arm and hands. What more do they want??? I know I'm preaching to the the wrong crowd here because you all understand. But I can't even believe I'm reading post of people saying "FreeCL" what the......

I know they found evidence of clothing he wore on August 2nd. I truly hope that Karina's DNA/blood is on something. I have hope.

I can't imagine how her family is feeling if they come across these comments from people who think they are framing him. Because the rage I feel when reading it, is high.

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I had the same thought this morning!!

The people who are claiming the perp was framed probably do not know all the facts of the case. All they see is a white victim and suddenly the perp's picture is ALL OVER the news the last couple of days - and he's a black young man who looks bewildered.

We have followed the case. We know many details, and of course LE knows many more. I'm confident this is the guy.

My concern is that the defense will fight how the interrogation happened. Was the perp truly aware he didn't have to talk? Was he truly aware he could ask for a lawyer? I know LE wants this conviction and they know how to follow the rules, and I'm hoping they are fully prepared to counter any allegations that are sure to come about the confession and DNA submission.

As for the father, he wants the person responsible for the crime to be caught, for pete's sake! He doesn't want to frame someone....what satisfaction would that be, to know the real perp who killed his beloved daughter is still out there?! That angle makes absolutely no sense.

Whew.

This isn't over yet. But I do think the found the right perp and I commend NYPD for their detective work. They really did find a needle in a haystack and didn't have to rely on the perp committing another violent crime to catch him.

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[sunkissed748]

Only meant where the location of the running path was known to locals. This guy wandered around suspiciously & rec'd 3 summonses in that specific isolated area. This what I was referring to. The killer wasn't taking a jog or picking up trash he was looking for trouble. That's what I meant. And maybe he was wearing the wrong color shirt also. Ya never know. RIP Karina Vetrano

 

[deedee21]

Whats wrong with not wanting crackpots coming into your neighborhood? One of the predators neighbors said hes a monster. Said he terrorized the place. Im sure their glad hes gone.

 

[deedee21]

Only meant where the location of the running path was known to locals. This guy wandered around suspiciously & rec'd 3 summonses in that specific isolated area. This what I was referring to. The killer wasn't taking a jog or picking up trash he was looking for trouble. That's what I meant. And maybe he was wearing the wrong color shirt also. Ya never know. RIP Karina Vetrano

He was walking around Howard Beach with a crowbar. Looking in parked car windows. Going into backyards. I dont think the residents care what color shirt he wore.

 

[Lauranyc83]

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I also wonder that why there was no police report. Why didn't the father report the "double mugging" to police??!?! Lots of questions.

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[deedee21]

I wonder if familiar DNA was done behind the scene. Karina was killed on Federal land. There was FBI involvement. State laws, or lack of, cant dictate what investigative tools can be used to solve a crime. IMO

 

[epiphany]

What does this part mean?:
http://nypost.com/2017/02/06/jogger-...e-i-was-angry/

"Richard Lewis also showed reporters a room in his apartment at the Tilden Houses in Brownsville where he said Chanel sometimes stayed.

One wall in the room was adorned with a poster of the Ten Commandments with a star-spangled border, and a pink sheet of paper with a handwritten check list that included notes reading, &#8220;6:20 a.m. watch TV,&#8221; and &#8220;6:25&#8201;a.m. wake up richard.&#8221;



What the heck? He makes a schedule saying watch tv for 5 minutes then wake up my father? I do not get that at all....

In this instance, this is a carryover from 20 year old CL's restrictive classroom setting. Dad is well aware of what his son's restrictive edu placement is all about. Daily schedule is placed on a wall, not in 20 yo's personal notebook. In this case, the colorful and somewhat childish-looking awards that are also in display in the home serve as reminders and motivation to the 20 year old of his success in the classroom.

Additionally, the 20 year old was escorted to the ER by Daddy and he was "not hospitalized" as the elder had initially reported to media. Eventually, we'll learn whether or not Dad escorted his 20 yo to the precinct to report the "crime."

Throw in his lack of social media, prob a loner, and his unreadiness for at least a more intimate relationship with a peer and his very disturbing affect during the perp walk...ALL of this added together...there is no doubt in my mind, esp since father appears to be intelligent and given his own teaching background (whether teacher or administrator), that Daddy is quite aware that his son has been labelled as being Emotional Disturbed and is quite impaired in that area.