NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

[truthspider]

Here you go truthspider. I am ignorant re: to the credibility of the source.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/jersey_city_prostitute_still_m.html

Brewer told The Star-Ledger last week that he questioned her gender that night. Those close to Gilbert say that’s an outrageous suggestion, since she is wholly woman.


But Brewer said Gilbert asked him if he had ever hired an online escort for sex. Then, he said she asked, "Have you come across any transvestites?" He was turned off, he said, and started to wonder if she was man or at least part man. "I wanted her out," he said.

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yeah, who knows for sure, but it is a little suspicious that little old nj.com could get the exclusive interviews with Pak, Brewer, and Diaz

 

[Peter Brendt]

@Truthspider: I looked for the jewelry style and asked a question. However, there is as of yet no evidence, this as of yet unknown victim was a prostitute at all. And not all people of Indian descend in NY are rich to wear real gold.

 

[truthspider]

Uploading the news 12 report video for you guys. Expect a link in about 20 minutes to it.

Some questions about that area on Fire Island....Davis Park - Does anyone know if vehicle access is allowed there?

ooh ooh I know this one. Yes. But there are very few permits in existence. The Police, the fireman, and contractors (that have had the permit for a long time, prior to 1978, can drive on the beach in the off season only, my family has one because they are builders and got it many decades ago). I believe the legs were found on the bayside washed up on the shore. If we find out what time of year it was we can all but confirm that the legs didn't show up by truck.

Moreover, anyone and everyone has a boat on the great south bay, and its a short ride from Oak Beach to davis park on a boat. But I think it's more likely the case that they went in the water closer to oak beach and drifted.


If you want the full details of getting a "beach buggy permit" you can get them here:
http://www.davispark.info/Leja/YRR.html


Also, just reminded from this news article, that there was a massive Nor Easter in the winter of 1996 that caused a lot of erosion and damage to the barrier beaches here. The restaurant at Davis Park where I worked in 1994 and 1995 washed away in the ocean. Nor easters especially effect the north side (bay side) of the barrier beaches (where all the gilgo remains are) so I am of the belief that the legs were off the north side of ocean parkway prior to 1996.

"Thousands more were evacuated from homes that were heatless or threatened by coastal flooding. While flooding was minimal in New Jersey and Connecticut, a restaurant and three homes were washed away by high tides on Fire Island.....Jack Hauptman, supervisor of the Fire Island National Seashore, said three homes in the Pines and the Casino restaurant at Davis Park were washed out to sea." The legs may very well have been on dry land prior to this storm.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/09/n...st-buried-virginia.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

above link to article on massive erosion causing Nor Easter in 1996

 

[tfrohning]

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just that he still has parts of those legs as a trophy, and possibly made a piece of clothing, furniture, or some other keepsake. At this point we shouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be the case. It is getting a little insane around Oak Beach.[/QUOTE]

This is getting scarier by the post. If I didn't know better I think I was reading a screen play for Silent of Lamb My feelings are not far off.

IMO all the murders happen in Manorville. I feeling that answers are in Manorville that could solve this case.

everyone is doing good jobs keeping up on LISK.

 

[Chanler]

@Truthspider: I looked for the jewelry style and asked a question. However, there is as of yet no evidence, this as of yet unknown victim was a prostitute at all. And not all people of Indian descend in NY are rich to wear real gold.

Hi, Peter Brendt, I'm no jewelry expert, but to me, the jewelry shown in the photography is painted gold, not real gold. In fact, to me, it looks like street fair quality.

 

[PickleChris]

http://player.vimeo.com/video/29332556

Click for today's News 12 report on the latest findings with this case. Link posted for non Cablevision or out of state people that can't view it on the News 12 site.

If someone wants to embed it in a post, feel free.

 

[truthspider]

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This is getting scarier by the post. If I didn't know better I think I was reading a screen play for Silent of Lamb My feelings are not far off.

IMO all the murders happen in Manorville. I feeling that answers are in Manorville that could solve this case.

everyone is doing good jobs keeping up on LISK.

yes, well the silence of the lambs stuff was based on real life serial killer Ed Gein.

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So I didn't draw the comparison from a movie, i drew it from a real life SK.
I was half joking, but am serious that there must be a reason he is taking the females legs and discarding them in a different place and in a different manner.

 

[truthspider]

Since the unknown females remains at Jones Beach match the legs that washed up to Davis Park in 1996, (I believe due to the historic January North Easter storm - "worst coastal flooding in 48 years") I am confident in saying that we now have a new beginning for the killing date range.
It started at least as far back as 1995.

I think the profilers will be re-evaluating there age range from the "late 20's to 40"
to something closer to 50. The literature states average age for a SK's first kill is 28.5
IF 1995 was his first, that puts him at 46 years of age. I think we may find victims prior to 1995 and that we may be dealing with an SK in his 50's with a long successful track record.

This is no Joel Rifkin.

 

[Chanler]

Since the unknown females remains at Jones Beach match the legs that washed up to Davis Park in 1996, (I believe due to the historic January North Easter storm - "worst coastal flooding in 48 years") I am confident in saying that we now have a new beginning for the killing date range.
It started at least as far back as 1995.

I think the profilers will be re-evaluating there age range from the "late 20's to 40"
to something closer to 50. The literature states average age for a SK's first kill is 28.5
IF 1995 was his first, that puts him at 46 years of age. I think we may find victims prior to 1995 and that we may be dealing with an SK in his 50's with a long successful track record.

This is no Joel Rifkin.

Hi, TruthSpider, and thanks for your interesting posts. Personally, I think that the time gap and other differences make it less likely that the previous killer (killers?) were the same as the "neater" Gilgo monster corpse disposer.

 

[truthspider]

Hi, TruthSpider, and thanks for your interesting posts. Personally, I think that the time gap and other differences make it less likely that the previous killer (killers?) were the same as the "neater" Gilgo monster corpse disposer.

by "neater" i suppose you mean he didn't dismember them?

as far as I can tell, the defining difference between the gilgo 4 and everyone else, is that the gilgo 4 were recruited via the internet and met in a private unknown location, someplace where a witness would never likely see the SK with the victim. Prior to craigslist, he had to pick up girls off the street in times square. He would be far more likely to have been seen by someone while he was picking up the victim at a known pickup location.

He may just feel he no longer needs to dismember or hide the identity of the victim.
I don't see many differences beside that, and given the fact that all the other victims on Jones Island are now pretty much associated.....

 

[nugzter]

So lets assume the asian male is a victim of the same sk, was it released that he was strangled? If my memory serves me right, the GB4 and AC girls were strangled.
I will assume he was not found wrapped in burlap or any traces of burlap in, on or around the remains, so he was discarded clothed in womens atire. Jewelry on him also?
Speaking of jewelry, did the GB4 and AC girls have any jewelry found with them? Most females wear stuff, if not it could be taken for a collection.

 

[MrsPC]

you can read more about the 2000 victims here

(if the link doesn't provide the search results - type in:

in quotes "halsey manor" and year 2000

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives

 

[truthspider]

So lets assume the asian male is a victim of the same sk, was it released that he was strangled? If my memory serves me right, the GB4 and AC girls were strangled.
I will assume he was not found wrapped in burlap or any traces of burlap in, on or around the remains, so he was discarded clothed in womens atire. Jewelry on him also?
Speaking of jewelry, did the GB4 and AC girls have any jewelry found with them? Most females wear stuff, if not it could be taken for a collection.

I believe LE said that the asian male died in a "distinctly different" more violent manner. Sounds like stabbing or bludgeoning to me. GB4 and AC were all strangled. I don't think they know how the female manorville victims died, but I would like to know how the males died as they were not dismembered.

 

[Chanler]

by "neater" i suppose you mean he didn't dismember them?

as far as I can tell, the defining difference between the gilgo 4 and everyone else, is that the gilgo 4 were recruited via the internet and met in a private unknown location, someplace where a witness would never likely see the SK with the victim. Prior to craigslist, he had to pick up girls off the street in times square. He would be far more likely to have been seen by someone while he was picking up the victim at a known pickup location.

He may just feel he no longer needs to dismember or hide the identity of the victim.
I don't see many differences beside that, and given the fact that all the other victims on Jones Island are now pretty much associated.....

Hi, TruthSpider. Beyond the non-dismembered bodies, there is also the burlap, the relatively short time span and proximity of the corpses. That they were recovered in almost one fell swoop indicates an organization not seen in the disposals.

Craigslist was launched in 1995 and almost since the beginning has been used by prostitutes and their clients.

I think that we all have a tendency (myself included) in discerning patterns or creating narratives prematurely. I'm trying to guard myself against that impulse.

 

[Chanler]

I believe LE said that the asian male died in a "distinctly different" more violent manner. Sounds like stabbing or bludgeoning to me. GB4 and AC were all strangled. I don't think they know how the female manorville victims died, but I would like to know how the males died as they were not dismembered.

Hi, TruthSpider, the slaying of the Asian transvestite seems to me to have been unusually violent or vicious because it was a hate crime of a different magnitude. Men who engage prostitutes are not god's most balanced creatures; when one discovers that he's been sexually approached by a man disguised as a woman, things, I imagine, can get volatile.

 

[nugzter]

Hi, TruthSpider, the slaying of the Asian transvestite seems to me to have been unusually violent or vicious because it was a hate crime of a different magnitude. Men who engage prostitutes are not god's most balanced creatures; when one discovers that he's been sexually approached by a man disguised as a woman, things, I imagine, can get volatile.

It could also be a planned hate crime by a group of guys who want to gay bash a trans. Then just dump the body. If his murder was over the top violent, it could suggest a group.

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

by "neater" i suppose you mean he didn't dismember them?

as far as I can tell, the defining difference between the gilgo 4 and everyone else, is that the gilgo 4 were recruited via the internet and met in a private unknown location, someplace where a witness would never likely see the SK with the victim. Prior to craigslist, he had to pick up girls off the street in times square. He would be far more likely to have been seen by someone while he was picking up the victim at a known pickup location.

He may just feel he no longer needs to dismember or hide the identity of the victim.
I don't see many differences beside that, and given the fact that all the other victims on Jones Island are now pretty much associated.....

I've stated before that this guy is between the ages of 48-55. I believe he dismembered in his "formative" years but now he is getting to old for all of that. That's a lot of work, you know.

 

[truthspider]

It could also be a planned hate crime by a group of guys who want to gay bash a trans. Then just dump the body. If his murder was over the top violent, it could suggest a group.

yeah, i would definately suspect a different outcome if the john/sk was expecting a female and got a male as well.

i have been and am more so after today that all remains on Jones Island are from the same SK who lives in oak beach and has been using the location succesfully for 16 years or more. All SK's tend to get lazier or less careful as time goes on and they become more comfortable.

The trend has been that over time as more facts come out, the seperate cases are becoming connected. We can revisit that topic as more facts come out in the future.

I have to think there will be some real developments soon as a toothless asian male tranny disappearing at a specific time is bound to be known by someone. Lets hope it helps. Unless someone remembers the type of car the man got in when he disappeared and then if there are cell phone pings from him....

 

[Peter Brendt]

@ Truthspider: Older articles mentioned already, the man died from head trauma aka bludgeoned. Not strangled like the GB4.
AC: Victims dressed with jewelry, unwrapped but staged. GB: dropped, wrapped in burlap, nothing on them (aka no cloths, no jewelry).

@The legs washed up on Fire Island seem to confirm, Manorville is a lot older than LISK. Another hint, they are NOT the same guy.

I was thinking again about the mother and child thing: This seems to show, whoever killed the mother, he didn't meet her on the pworl nor did she come as call-in prostitute to his home. In neither of the cases, he would have got the child.

#Chandler: No, the jewelry is no gold. But the style ... and by that, the taste of the buyers ... maybe gives us a hint? Maybe, just maybe, we can wonder, which ethnicity would prefer that kind of design, especially on their children, and look at the missing person files? Just maybe? We know as of yet only, the child is non-caucasian. I have still no idea what they wanted to express by that? Mixed or just another ethic group? Because they didn't say anything about the mother's ethnicity.

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

The jewelry looks a lot like designs fancied by an African-American.