The jewelry looks a lot like designs fancied by an African-American.
omg, i found the bracelett in google images
http://gold-bracelets-for-women.sal...ing-silver-diamond-accented-xo-link-bracelet/
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The jewelry looks a lot like designs fancied by an African-American.
@Sistah Sleuth: Thanks a lot, finally an answer that helps me
@nugzter: Neat, so I guess, there are some knock-offs of the design as well (sorry if the question is dumb, I'm no jewelry expert).
@ Truthspider: Older articles mentioned already, the man died from head trauma aka bludgeoned. Not strangled like the GB4.
AC: Victims dressed with jewelry, unwrapped but staged. GB: dropped, wrapped in burlap, nothing on them (aka no cloths, no jewelry).
@The legs washed up on Fire Island seem to confirm, Manorville is a lot older than LISK. Another hint, they are NOT the same guy.
I was thinking again about the mother and child thing: This seems to show, whoever killed the mother, he didn't meet her on the pworl nor did she come as call-in prostitute to his home. In neither of the cases, he would have got the child.
#Chandler: No, the jewelry is no gold. But the style ... and by that, the taste of the buyers ... maybe gives us a hint? Maybe, just maybe, we can wonder, which ethnicity would prefer that kind of design, especially on their children, and look at the missing person files? Just maybe? We know as of yet only, the child is non-caucasian. I have still no idea what they wanted to express by that? Mixed or just another ethic group? Because they didn't say anything about the mother's ethnicity.
@The legs washed up on Fire Island seem to confirm, Manorville is a lot older than LISK. Another hint, they are NOT the same guy.
I don't know where it was said or reported that the legs on fire island in 1996 came from Manorville Jane Dough #1 who reportedly was killed in 2000.
If it was reported today that the legs came from jane dough #2, then either that is a mistake, or the reporting that jane dough was killed in 2000 and not just found in 2000 is a mistake.
I think the legs on fire island were from the other unidentified (non manorville) victim at jones beach.
if you familiarize yourself with the map of the remains on jones island, and take note that the road their stretches for 80,000 feet and that the toddler was found 200 feet from jessica taylor, then you are wishing on a star to think they were dumped by a different person. It is highly highly highly highly improbable that 2 serial killers who don't know each other happen to choose almost the exact same spot just AND to do it just a few years apart. Long Island is a vast island, and ocean parkway is 80,000 feet long, and these bodies are on the same side of the road...common sense should tell you its the same person.
yes, well the silence of the lambs stuff was based on real life serial killer Ed Gein.
Ed Gein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So I didn't draw the comparison from a movie, i drew it from a real life SK.
I was half joking, but am serious that there must be a reason he is taking the females legs and discarding them in a different place and in a different manner.
I've stated before that this guy is between the ages of 48-55. I believe he dismembered in his "formative" years but now he is getting to old for all of that. That's a lot of work, you know.
@ Truthspider: Older articles mentioned already, the man died from head trauma aka bludgeoned. Not strangled like the GB4.
AC: Victims dressed with jewelry, unwrapped but staged. GB: dropped, wrapped in burlap, nothing on them (aka no cloths, no jewelry).
@The legs washed up on Fire Island seem to confirm, Manorville is a lot older than LISK. Another hint, they are NOT the same guy.
I was thinking again about the mother and child thing: This seems to show, whoever killed the mother, he didn't meet her on the pworl nor did she come as call-in prostitute to his home. In neither of the cases, he would have got the child.
#Chandler: No, the jewelry is no gold. But the style ... and by that, the taste of the buyers ... maybe gives us a hint? Maybe, just maybe, we can wonder, which ethnicity would prefer that kind of design, especially on their children, and look at the missing person files? Just maybe? We know as of yet only, the child is non-caucasian. I have still no idea what they wanted to express by that? Mixed or just another ethic group? Because they didn't say anything about the mother's ethnicity.
I'm totally with you sistah, hes getting old, lazy, and tired, just not tired of killing. And this is why he will be caught, he did something out of the ordinary on May 1st by going after SG and its also why she got away from him for almost an hour. He was extremely organized, but got lazy, then slipped with
SG and now he is going down.
Since his dump site was undiscovered for 10+ years, he felt he didn't need to dismember and leave torso's far from his house while hiding the identifiable parts in gilgo, "I'll just wrap them in burlap to hide them and put the whole damm thing in gilgo"
Hi, Peter Brendt, thanks for a great post. I agree: With its little frequented wilderness areas, Long Island probably has hosted a ghoulish number of serial killers.
I think that your insights about the jewelry are valuable. The jewelry might be simply the adornments worn by the victim and carelessly not removed. I think that children wearing jewelry (especially at home) might be less uncommon than we might think.
The Asian cross-dresser might be a separate case altogether. At this point, we're really working with very, very little information. (And we should note that the people who have more seem to think that the killers are the work of as many as three fiends.)
The people who have more, i.e., Dormer, seemed to have thought that the bodies were the result of a "lazy funeral director" when they were first discovered. I instantly knew that was a crock of crap and was something deliberately stated in the media in an attempt to manipulate the sk. You can't tell me that as LE you walk up on a scene of 4 women defleshed and wrapped in burlap and you conclude that a funeral director was too lazy to take them to one of the several cemeteries or crematories that were passed on his way to dump them on Gilgo Beach--yet he took the painstaking time to deflesh, clean and sanitize the embalming room and then dump them.
Bull. Chit.
This is the first I have heard about stripping flesh from the bodies. skeletonized, OK. But there is a huge difference ina person stripping flesh and nature decomposing the body to a skeletal state.
Hi, Sister Sleuth; always enjoy your opinionated posts. The story about defleshing seems have originated on a website where information and rumors seem to melt into another. To me, it seems like the scuttlebutt that attachs itself to cases like this. (It reminds me, for instance, of some of the stories generated about the supposedly weaponized anthrax and the Israelis' filming the attack on the World Trade Center.) One would imagine that law enforcement would announce what could be a significant lead in the case.
And, having just read your last post, I've heard that Nancy Grace seldom makes retractions or caveats.
And if the bodies were being frozen, stored, and defleshed, it would be a serious dent in the theory that the serial killer had somehow become lazy.
I say he has become lazy as in taking the time to dismember. That is a lot of physical work and sweat to dismember a body and let's not talk about the amount of clean up afterwards with blood and flesh all over the place. (I don't mean to sound so morbid but it is what it is) It's nothing to drag a body into a freezer. It's nothing to sit a body in a tub of acid. Those methods are a lot cleaner--so to speak.
As far as Nancy goes...Rita Cosby! That's her name! She was the onsite reporter and I find her to be extremely credible as she was the first and only reporter, to my knowledge, who stated anything concerning the bodies being defleshed.
Hi, Sistah Sleuth. You're right; that does sound morbid, but that's not your fault.
Being the only reporter to report something does not make some one more credible. In fact, it suggests that their claim cannot be substantiated.
I guess I didn't write that correctly. I meant that I have always found her credible and I didn't mean to tie that in with the fact that she was the first to report it--but that is how it reads. I agree with you. I can see how Nancy has left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths but Rita, to me, just comes across as a reporter of utmost integrity--or at least she tries hard at it. That is all.
Hi, Sistah Sleuth. Thanks for the clarification. Well, you have more experience with Cosby's broadcasts than I do. I'm still hesitant to accept the information, since it lacks other verification and also doesn't make too much sense as a safety protection: The Gilgo Beach victims were all still identified.