@Truthspider: I go here just through point by point, because those points appear to me interesting:
So it was the skull in the JFK memorial sanctuary (Gugenheim Pond) on Jones Island that matched the legs wrapped in plastic that floated up @ Davis Park Fire Island, and not the Manorville victim.
Of course, if I cut off a head from a body and then cut off the legs, I end up with a torso with arms. Which has to be somewhere. So by all outer appearence, this degree of dismembering appears rather consistent with the Manorville victims than the GB4. However, parts of the signature appear to me less developed than the later Manorville stagings, which makes me think, 1996 was maybe near to the begin of the series.
we will just have to wait and see how many killers it turns out to be, and we can revisit the topic as facts come in. My money is on 1 person, specifically I refer to him as Mr Hyde and it hasn't been a secret.
So true. I find it interesting, you call him Mr. Hyde, because it's pretty typical for such torso killers to have really a kind of Jekyll/Hyde personality.
The toddler is now connected to Jane Dough #6 from Manorville, but was placed next to Jessica Taylor from Manorville connecting for us at least both sets of Manorville victims. Manorville set #1 from 2000 was a male and female, and set #2 from 2003 was a male and female. In both cases the females were dismembered while the males were not.
The females and only the adult females were dismembered. That points to a heterosexual sadist. The male in women's clothes probably caused rather an outbreak of rage, but no sexual interest after the killer found out, his victim wasn't correctly equipped ... or over-equipped ... or how to call that politically correct. The point that bothers me is the toddler. Prostitutes normally don't bring their kids to a date. Thus, the Manorville killer must have had access to the victims home/private life to get the toddler in the first place. Note, that the toddler wasn't dismembered, so we can exclude a pedophile tendency, but assume rather, the toddler was just there, when he got the mother.
I want to come back to the subject of state parks: Sometimes, the parks are not marked and only someone who knows the area would know whether he is in one or just a few steps outside. However, that is in the times of GPS-apps on iPhones not such a mystery. And some parts of the Manorville victims were staged outside of state parks in an obviously intentional way.
The situation is a little different however, with Gilgo Beach. There is a road that looks pretty remote and someone who doesn't live there would probably not come to the idea, this road is patrolled by police because basically, there seems not much to be between the gated community and the park. Whoever dropped the GB4 just stopped a little behind the Oak Beach community, grabbed the already wrapped body, carried it a little in the bushes and dropped it. A thing of less than a minute, provided, he has the physical strength. But somehow I doubt, it was so fast because he was afraid of the police patrolling there (in that case he would have just chosen another dumping ground) but because he wanted just to get rid of the body as quickly and unceremoniously as possible. The victims had for LISK not more value than a trash can up to get carried out. All of this indicates that LISK's familiarity with the area is rather casual, like someone would have who worked there for a time, but never really lived there for a longer time.
I only offer all this information not to compete with your knowledge of the SK subject, you clearly have more than I do, but knowing this very unique area well is priceless in understanding the mindset of this SK, the barrier island is a place like no other, and I feel like I know it inside and out, so I hope to share that insider knowledge to help all the sleuthers understand what the area is really like, to help them form more realistic and accurate opinions.
Much appreciated. It's just I came to profiling like a virgin to a child, originally from my work with history, which also forced sometimes to understand mindsets of people, who are dead since a long time. So for me the focus is on comparison to known cases and behavioral patterns. Which obviously includes sometimes a certain degree of political incorrectness, sorry for that.
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Isn't it ironic that both MW and ALC left their phones behind and they were murdered after Shannan dialed 911 in May and went poof into the night?
People nowadays are so used to carry their whole lives in form of phone contacts, passwords, bank information and what not on their phones around, that in some situations, the question comes up, whether some would risk to bring the phone to a place where safety for all of that isn't ensured. And female risk-takers (which include prostitutes, but not only them) have a tendency to leave such information behind in a safe place. Half of Hanson's victims for example didn't even carry ID or driver's licenses. Because they didn't want to give someone a hint where their families lived in case ...
@Ashley123: A woman lurking the victims to a male killer would be also a not unknown pattern for heterosexual kill couples (e.g. the Birnies in Australia to a degree or the Lonely Hearts Killers in the 40s). The theory in a little changed form maybe rather applies to the Manorville murders. I still can't come over the access to at least one victim's private life.
