NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #11

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all of the reports today are saying police rec'd new evidence Wednesday...and that's why they are now saying all 10 bodies are linked.

IMO, that most likely means forensic evidence links the bodies.

I believe it was Monday or Tuesday when they reported that all 10 are linked to one sk and SG is not connected to those bodies or the sk. They received new information Wednesday morning that SG remains may be on Gilgo beach and they will be searching there again.
 
Trust me when i tell you the legs were not discarded by the SK in Davis Park, they drifted down to Davis after the blizzard of 96 (Jan 6th, 1996) Gilgo beach lost 50-75 feet of sand during that storm to give you an idea about the tidal surge that occurred (see attached FEMA doc). The legs were in a plastic bag when they were discovered on the bayside shoreline. The legs were found on April 11th, 1996 by two Fire Island residents.

"The toenails of one foot were painted red and the right leg had 3 1/2-inch scar on the rear calf and L-shaped scar on the shin. The left leg had a 3 1/2-inch scar on the inner side." (Long Island Beach Bones Tied to 1996 Remains - NBC New York)

I have speculated that this first (known) victim from 1995 was not a prostitute, but someone that the SK came across and was drawn to. The first victim of a SK is usually someone they knew. He likely removed her legs because of the identifiable characteristics of the operation scars on her legs. The partially painted toe nails could indicate that she was wearing a cast on one of her legs during the time she painted the nails, hinting that the scars may have been from a recent operation.

I have been a water rat and surfer since I could crawl in these parts. I know the barrier island like the mangy fox that dwell in the dunes. I have slept under boardwalks and in deer dens behind the dunes (don't ask, I was a teenager). I spend every minute that I can on the barrier island even when the ferries stop running and everyone's water is off. In short, the legs drifted from Oak Beach (sorry Dormer).

thanks to my cousin for somehow knowing that he had this old article in a photo album in his house (the other side of the newspaper clipping was about the casino cafe falling into the ocean, my family is very involved in davis park) Anyway, here is the original Long Island Advance article about the discovery of the legs near davis park, fire island. wow, good sleuthing peter
 

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A Suffolk police spokeswoman said the department's detective division received new information Wednesday morning indicating the "possibility" that Gilbert may be dead, with her body dumped along the parkway.
From what I could find, this News Day article seems to be the primary source of the latest news. Interestingly (or not), it reads like someone talked as opposed to a tip. But that could be nothing more than the way they decided to write the piece. Either way, can't say I agree with the mob theory. Primarily bc those guys are dealing in international trafficking as opposed to domestic trafficking. My gut says, "if" (and that's a big "IF") this in anyway involves trafficking it would be gang-related and similar to the LA bust. ( link ). And even then, I would see such as more ancillary than central to the case and only meaningful to the degree such activities put the victims within reach of their killer.
 
yeah gangs don't deep six you so you are never found...at least around here they prefer the drive by.
 
yeah gangs don't deep six you so you are never found...at least around here they prefer the drive by.
Yep. That's pretty much the way it is here.

Btw, as an aside. I recently had the opportunity to speak with someone who provides expert witness testimony in scene related homicides. I ran my outlier theory by him to see what he thought. He seemed to think it had validity. Wrt where they were abducted and possibly even kept/murdered? From a geo-profiling pov, I'm leaning toward the warehouse district in Massapequa.
 
Yep. That's pretty much the way it is here.

Btw, as an aside. I recently had the opportunity to speak with someone who provides expert witness testimony in scene related homicides. I ran my outlier theory by him to see what he thought. He seemed to think it had validity. Wrt where they were abducted and possibly even kept/murdered? From a geo-profiling pov, I'm leaning toward the warehouse district in Massapequa.


What is WRT? Massapequa sound very right to me.
 
thanks to my cousin for somehow knowing that he had this old article in a photo album in his house (the other side of the newspaper clipping was about the casino cafe falling into the ocean, my family is very involved in davis park) Anyway, here is the original Long Island Advance article about the discovery of the legs near davis park, fire island. wow, good sleuthing peter

Great find!!!
It's interesting that the article mentions "The legs were found with the toes of both feet painted with red nail polish"... didn't we just hear that only one foot had the toe nails painted? not sure what to make of it, just an observation.
 
thanks to my cousin for somehow knowing that he had this old article in a photo album in his house (the other side of the newspaper clipping was about the casino cafe falling into the ocean, my family is very involved in davis park) Anyway, here is the original Long Island Advance article about the discovery of the legs near davis park, fire island. wow, good sleuthing peter
Great find!

It looks like the legs were in a black garbage bag. Which makes sense, since the were able to tie this find to Skull (Jane Doe #9) found in April. So, the SK disarticulates his victim, puts her remains in a bag, and dumps them on the parkway. Then, the blizzard of 1996 ( [ame=http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7398916#post7398916]link[/ame] ) dislodges the bag with the legs, and they end up washing up on fire island.

So, with all that in mind, I'm guessing Jane "fasciotomy" Doe was murdered in late 1995. Since the storm occurred in January 1996. Also, since her legs were preserved enough for identifying marks, such as the scars, painted toenails, etc. Winter would have had to have already set in, thereby deterring decomp.

Okay, so we have two more victims (Manorville) found in 2000 & 2003, respectively, whose partial remains also show up at GB. Both victims had been disarticulated.

There were also two male bodies found those same years, within a month and very close to the female victims. I hope LE is at least ruling their deaths in/out of this current case.

Regardless, five years is a fairly long stretch between Jane "fasciotomy" Doe & the Mannorville victims.

However, there is "Peaches" whose remains were found in a rubbermaid container at the edge of Hempstead Lake in 1997. Autopsy indicates she had given birth sometime prior to her murder. ( link ) That I'm aware, she has yet to be ID'd.

Fast forward to 2007. Body parts of a disarticulated female are found in Mamaroneck & Cold Spring Harbor in March ( link ). And Maureen Brainard-Barnes goes missing in July.

Two more sets of remains are found in North Merrick in June and July of 2008. One victim, Tanya Rush, is ID'd. , LE claims these two murders are unrelated. ( link )

Melissa Barthelemy goes missing in July of 2009. And, Megan Waterman and Amber Costello go missing in June & September of 2010, respectively.

In some ways, it seems like a reach to include Peaches, Cherries, & the two North Merrick victims. Then again, I didn't think all of the GB victims were tied to the same killer.

Btw, and aside, I admittedly wonder if Peaches and her child are Jane Doe #10 & baby doe.

Anyway, just some jumbled thoughts that I figured I'd throw out. Nothing concrete at this point.
 
thanks to my cousin for somehow knowing that he had this old article in a photo album in his house (the other side of the newspaper clipping was about the casino cafe falling into the ocean, my family is very involved in davis park) Anyway, here is the original Long Island Advance article about the discovery of the legs near davis park, fire island. wow, good sleuthing peter

Truthspider, do you still have this article in your possession? If so, do you mind sending me a copy of the article on the other side? (Sorry to go off topic y'all but I'm a Fire Island fanatic myself and would like to see this...!) Thanks!
 
What is WRT? Massapequa sound very right to me.

Hey Sistah Sleuth I don't mean to be disrespectful but that picture on your page the jail and casey .It really makes reading alot harder because its so distracting...
 
Truthspider, do you still have this article in your possession? If so, do you mind sending me a copy of the article on the other side? (Sorry to go off topic y'all but I'm a Fire Island fanatic myself and would like to see this...!) Thanks!

yes, I do, but i may not have time to scan it for you anytime soon.
are you really interested in that article or are you trying to verify that I am not a creeper who saved the article from 1996 for a reason :crazy: ?
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Great find!

It looks like the legs were in a black garbage bag. Which makes sense, since the were able to tie this find to Skull (Jane Doe #9) found in April. So, the SK disarticulates his victim, puts her remains in a bag, and dumps them on the parkway. Then, the blizzard of 1996 ( link ) dislodges the bag with the legs, and they end up washing up on fire island.

So, with all that in mind, I'm guessing Jane "fasciotomy" Doe was murdered in late 1995. Since the storm occurred in January 1996. Also, since her legs were preserved enough for identifying marks, such as the scars, painted toenails, etc. Winter would have had to have already set in, thereby deterring decomp.

Anyway, just some jumbled thoughts that I figured I'd throw out. Nothing concrete at this point.


more thoughts to add to the jumble:

Jane Fasciotomy Doe 1995:
"Police investigating in the case said they hope that scars on the body will help in the identification. The legs were found with the toes of both feet painted with red nail polish. Both legs show healed surgical scars at the ankles. In addition, according to police, the right leg has a 3 1/2 inch scar on the posterior calf muscle and an "L" shaped scar on the shin. The left leg has a similar 3 1/2 inch scar on the inner side of the calf muscle...Anyone who recognizes the scar pattern or has any other information that would assist police in making a positive id..."

I hope police have verified that the legs did not in fact belong to Sara Anne Wood. There are not many missing females around that time that have such scars on both legs.

I wonder about the discarded remains off of ocean parkway, particularly some have been described as buried, semi-buried, thrown, littered, etc. It seems to me that he may have buried some of the remains and then got lazy as his confidence grew until the point he was merely wrapping them in burlap and tossing the whole thing a few feet in.

It's possible that sometimes he completely buries the remains (as they are describing SG now)
and that in 1995 or earlier, he may have buried the remains of Jane Fasciotomy Doe in garbage bags which would probably preserve the legs as you described. The possibility exists that the legs had been buried in that fashion since fall of 1993 (for 2 years) before heavy flooding and erosion could have freed them up to drift away (Sara Wood possibility).

It also then makes me think that the searching last year only yielded remains that were not buried or buried and then exposed from natural causes: weather, animals etc. There could be many more victims buried in that area.
 
Great find!!!
It's interesting that the article mentions "The legs were found with the toes of both feet painted with red nail polish"... didn't we just hear that only one foot had the toe nails painted? not sure what to make of it, just an observation.

yes we did, good observation bodhi. I wonder if it was a mistake in reporting or deliberate misleading by LE to weed out false confessions or to draw out the SK? the toenails on the cold spring harbor legs are also described by the examiner as being partially painted....
 
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