NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

[fashionella]

Who was Dormer referring to when he made that statement - JB or the Doc?

the doc

 

[norest4thewicked]

According to the police commisioner

The Dr. making the call is "debunked"--sounds like he is totally off the hook, no surprise to me. BTW, the phonecall to SG's mother was made the day after she went missing, May 2.

Easy enough to trace phone records of the Dr.

Unless he used a prepaid phone.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

How can the story about someone calling the family claiming to be Doc be debunked? It obviously happened. Why on earth would SG's family lie about that? Now, maybe it wasn't PH who actually made the call, but the call certainly happened. Debunked my foot.

 

[justcuri]

Trying to figure out what was accomplished in this PC? Other than reaching out for the public's help... Nothing on why they're searching in the water, other then it's near where the remains were found... Nothing on any POI...

 

[epiphany]

the doc

Do you know what question was asked? I couldn't hear t question, only the answer-"he..."

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Also not buying that they are bringing in divers to search the water because it just happens to be close to where bodies were found. Heck, why not just search the whole Atlantic Ocean?

Nope...something is leading LE to believe a water search will turn up something. I'd bet on it.

 

[epiphany]

How can the story about someone calling the family claiming to be Doc be debunked? It obviously happened. Why on earth would SG's family lie about that? Now, maybe it wasn't PH who actually made the call, but the call certainly happened. Debunked my foot.

Can you fill me in on whether or not it's true that the doc saw SG in the early morning hours before she vanished?

 

[scandi]

Also not buying that they are bringing in divers to search the water because it just happens to be close to where bodies were found. Heck, why not just search the whole Atlantic Ocean?

Nope...something is leading LE to believe a water search will turn up something. I'd bet on it.

Maybe evidence/accoutrements to the crimes of the bodies found near it. Would a SK be so sloppy?

ETA: What was said in the Presser is "5 divers searching for evidence connected to found remains".

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Can you fill me in on whether or not it's true that the doc saw SG in the early morning hours before she vanished?

No one has any idea if PH saw SG or not. What we do know is that SG's family members have said that someone called them claiming to be PH, and this person claimed that SG stayed at his house that night. That he was helping her with her drug problem and trying to help her get off the street. (paraphrasing)

Was the caller actually PH? Not a clue.

 

[svpernin]

I watched the main part of the PC but wasn't able to watch any of the press Q&A part, pretty much nothing notable was said in the main part but based on the posts on here, it seems like some interesting questions were asked after. Can anyone summarize the Q&A portion of the PC? TIA.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Maybe evidence/accoutrements to the crimes of the bodies found near it. Would a SK be so sloppy?

I could see our SK chucking something (body, clean up evidence, etc) into the water. Not from the shoreline, but from a boat perhaps.

Which brings me to a question: does anyone know where exactly these coves are that LE has divers searching? Oceanside, or in one of the bays on the same side of road where bodies were found? Heck...where do you even find coves? *snicker* I'm a mountain girl...help me out, sealovers.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Thanks. I see what you mean, waltzingmatilda. That's probably all the comment is about.

But---do you think there might be some connection with this case? Maybe it's someone who is pretending to be Shannan but doesn't know how to spell her name, and actually does have information--maybe she or he is just teasing the cops or the press with this comment ? It is an unusual spelling of Shannan, anyhow--usually the name is spelled Shannon.

Columbo, I didn't mean to sound as tho I was minimalizing your comment at all
My impression is that women in the escort biz are not taken seriously, harrassed, and don't feel they can fight back against the stigma that goes with escorting. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this poster knows something and is afraid for the reason stated in her post!

Many of us sleuths have questioned the LEO and his dog Blue who made the first find.

I am questioning if he is actually the 'good guy' who heard rumblings inside the agency and blew the case wide open when he went out to train his dog that DEC. day.

Poor Shannan, many people saw her that night who said they were callling 911 and she ran.

Didn't anyone try and console her in her frantic state by offering a cold wet cloth for her face, invite her inside to calm her down, get the details of her plight?

Glad to read you again Columbo!

wm

 

[epiphany]

No one has any idea if PH saw SG or not. What we do know is that SG's family members have said that someone called them claiming to be PH, and this person claimed that SG stayed at his house that night. That he was helping her with her drug problem and trying to help her get off the street. (paraphrasing)

Was the caller actually PH? Not a clue.

According to CBS Local, the doc saw Shannan running near Oak Beach:

Hackett said he saw Gilbert running at night near Oak Beach, looking both sick and distressed.

“These people need closure and we need to find this girl if she is alive,” he said.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04...ch-for-bodies-off-l-i-in-serial-killer-probe/

 

[Aleph]

also from that sketch ...I cannot get over the eyes...the eyes really freak me out...who ...other than Dr. Hackett , has eyes like that??????

if this Dr. is innocent..then I apologize in advance...but it's hard to dismiss.

Which sketch do you mean? I'm only familiar with the one of the AC "foot fetishist," and he's wearing sunglasses.

 

[epiphany]

I could see our SK chucking something (body, clean up evidence, etc) into the water. Not from the shoreline, but from a boat perhaps.

Which brings me to a question: does anyone know where exactly these coves are that LE has divers searching? Oceanside, or in one of the bays on the same side of road where bodies were found? Heck...where do you even find coves? *snicker* I'm a mountain girl...help me out, sealovers.

Lol

A trio of divers slipped into the waters of Hemlock Cove, a bay off a stretch of Oak Beach where some of the human remains have been found.

The divers were using measuring tape and technical gear to help with their underwater survey and divers flags on the water measure their progress.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/long-island-serial-killer-diving-teams-search-underwater/story?id=13364545

 

[carbuff]

Which sketch do you mean? I'm only familiar with the one of the AC "foot fetishist," and he's wearing sunglasses.

That's the one. Some people seem to be able to make out eyes behind the sunglasses.

 

[scandi]

Thanks. I see what you mean, waltzingmatilda. That's probably all the comment is about. And it does make me both angry and sad that these girls are treated like trash by everyone, it seems.

But---do you think there might be some connection with this case? Maybe it's someone who is pretending to be Shannan but doesn't know how to spell her name, and actually does have information--maybe she or he is just teasing the cops or the press with this comment ? It is an unusual spelling of Shannan, anyhow--usually the name is spelled Shannon.

What comment are you referring to Columbo where Shannan's name was spelled wrong ? Thanks

 

[NJGuy]

In regard to the water search, I agree with others that posted before about the police knowing and having a specific reason to search that area. They wouldn't death the whole bay or ocean for nothing. I think this is where Shannan's body will be found. She was different than the rest because of the incidents at JBs house. This made the SK have to be much more careful and discreet where her body was disposed

 

[Mountain_Kat]

According to CBS Local, the doc saw Shannan running near Oak Beach:

Hackett said he saw Gilbert running at night near Oak Beach, looking both sick and distressed.

“These people need closure and we need to find this girl if she is alive,” he said.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04...ch-for-bodies-off-l-i-in-serial-killer-probe/

Thank you, that's the first I've heard of PH admitting to having seen SG.

Of course, now I'm more confused than ever. He saw her running near Oak beach...at night? Looking sick and depressed? Odd choice of words. She's running, but not frantic or fearful...no, sick. And depressed. Okee-dokey.

And this was near Oak Beach? Not on his street or in his gated community? So he was down at Oak beach at 4 or 5 am? What was he doing down there? Boating? Fishing? Cruising for victims? (sorry...but seriously...wth?)

Was this supposed to be in the early morning hours, after SG fled JB's house...or is his talking about later that night? If so, why on earth was she running then? Why didn't she just call someone to come get her that day or that evening?

I'm beyond perplexed. Not even sure WHAT to make of this article (assuming it isn't just bad reporting). :waitasec:

 

[epiphany]

So bottom line is Shannan's mother says someone who identified himself as the doc called her the day after SG vanished. The family had not officially reported her missing to NJ authorities yet.

The doc says he that he did see Shannan running that night near Oak Beach, but he denies calling SG's mom.

Gilbert was last seen near Dr. Hackett's home last May. Gilbert's mother says she received a strange phone call from him the day after her daughter disappeared.

"He called me on the phone. He said he had a halfway house and that Shannon was there," she said. "She wanted to be off the streets and he was trying to help her."

Dr. Hackett denies calling Gilbert's mother, and police have not named any suspects in the case so far.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8069901