NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

[Secret77]

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Thank you for re-stating your original statement. Of course she is still missing and none of us knows whether she is or is not alive, so your theory doesn't hold up any more than those who contend that she may not be. She is "missing" under the most unusual circumstances from an area where the bodies of other stws have been located.

No, I am not confusing MB with SG, and I did not say the caller used SG's phone. I said the caller would have had to have found her phone because the caller knew who her family was in order to call them, so either they knew her or her family personally by other than her street name, or they had access to her phone to get the family phone number. I have read the threads completely thank you, and believe my facts are right. I may stand to be humbled and corrected. It has happened before

Yes, LE knows who her driver was that night, but IIRC, they have not released that person's name to the public. It may or may not be the same driver she had in 2009. IIRC, another WSer came up with the old article that gave the name of her old driver.

We really don't know who called SG's mother.
The whole thing is not clear.. from what SG's sister said in the interview Dr. CHP called her mom, but he denies it.
Maybe she lost her phone, like she lost her jacket in the middle of her delusion, then one of the Johns found it and called home?

Going by the Filipino last name of the driver SG was using back in 2009, it is likely it is the same Asian driver she was using when she went to Oak Beach.

 

[fashionella]

Interesting app theory fashionella. Only problem with it is the app and it's uses could be traced back to the person prying?

well, I'm not sure about Foursquare, but I know on FB you can set your security settings so no one but you and say, your spouse can see your location. So, in theory--I could take your phone, download the app, go into the app, hide or obscure it, then configure the settings so only the SK can track. Again, I don't have FS, but I know they are very flexible applications.

I'm sure all these girls had phones with maps....if you have maps that give directions--you potentially can be pinpointed.

A total long, long shot---but if technology is used by a serial killer you can guarantee that the future of social networking will be changed forever, sell your FB stock!

 

[fashionella]

Maybe her sister's number was listed under. "In Case of Emergency".

Oh come on, I don't think you have your 14yo sister in your contacts like that.

 

[Soulmagent]

Maybe her sister's number was listed under. "In Case of Emergency".

Maybe He knew who Mellissa's sister was. A bar scene,or out shopping with her and ran into the killer. I think she has at least seen him and he took notice.

Was mellissa ever arrested or her sister ever in court with her?

 

[21merc7]

well, I'm not sure about Foursquare, but I know on FB you can set your security settings so no one but you and say, your spouse can see your location. So, in theory--I could take your phone, download the app, go into the app, hide or obscure it, then configure the settings so only the SK can track. Again, I don't have FS, but I know they are very flexible applications.

I'm sure all these girls had phones with maps....if you have maps that give directions--you potentially can be pinpointed.

A total long, long shot---but if technology is used by a serial killer you can guarantee that the future of social networking will be changed forever, sell your FB stock!

I see what you are saying, if the girl had this on her phone and is not tech savvy she may never know.

I am thinking LE can track it, regardless if the girl knew or not. I don't know if it is possible if they do not have the actual phone though. That is a big question.

BTW, serial killers, or just murders, rapists, burglars, criminals in general, have been using technology for a long time now, some are more savvy than the Feds experts, some may be employed experts. Don't put too much personal info on the internet if you don't have to. No pics, no locations, no talk of vacations, parties you may be attending, etc...

 

[Secret77]

After Melissa he never called other families again that we are aware of. If this was someone cocky trying to say "You can't catch me" then I think he probably would have called after another girl or mentioned there was one before Melissa. He never even mentioned doing anything that we are aware of.

I think it's possible he was just being sadistic. He never laughed or yelled. He was derogatory and angry towards escorts. That was his purpose in calling.

Of all four victims MB's family were the only ones who didn't know what she did for a living. Whoever called her family did it to reveal what she was really doing, to hurt them, as a said before.

The SK must have known LE already knew she was missing, otherwise he wouldn't have called from crowded places and kept the calls under 3 minutes. Those facts are not coincidental.

ah, and let's not forget this:

"And after months of keeping silent, the younger sister of Craigslist victim Melissa Barthelemy now says the harassing series of calls made on her dead sister's cell phone ended with a final call in which the man confessed he had killed Melissa after having sex with her."

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8074397

If that is not being cocky, i don't know what is.

Even a former FBI confirms how unusual it is for SK's to contact their victims's family
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/n...ght-into-serial-killer.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion

“Contacting the victim’s families is unusual behavior,” said Mary Ellen O’Toole, a former agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation who pursued serial killers. “It’s not a smart move to make because you are putting yourself back into the investigation, when you should be running for the hills

 

[fashionella]

I see what you are saying, if the girl had this on her phone and is not tech savvy she may never know.

I am thinking LE can track it, regardless if the girl knew or not. I don't know if it is possible if they do not have the actual phone though. That is a big question.

BTW, serial killers, or just murders, rapists in general, have been using technology for a long time now, some are more savvy than the Feds experts, some may be employed experts. Don't put too much personal info on the internet if you don't have to. No pics, no locations, no talk of vacations, parties you may be attending, etc...

SO true, we have heard a lot of stories where posting on social media has led to house robberies because someone is bragging they are going to Aruba for 2 weeks for Xmas, after bragging about their new Macbook.

Right, this is a far out theory which would involve a primary appointment where somehow the john loads an app on a phone. I guess some technological genius could send a virus in an email attachment---I dunno.

 

[NJGuy]

This is interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/n...-insight-into-serial-killer.html?ref=nyregion

Thank you for posting the link, I found it very informative and probably one of the most clear, concise articles I've read thus far. Of course its the NYT, so no surprise they deliver good stuff. Anyway, here is what I think is the most important piece of the story:

“He kept us hopeful,” she said at the time. But in an interview on Wednesday, she said the man’s last call — which occurred at about 1 a.m. on Aug. 26, 2009, and lasted about 40 seconds — had confirmed the family’s worst fears.

“In the final call, he said he had killed her,” Lynn Barthelemy, who lives in the Buffalo area, said.

Ms. Barthelemy said she had tried to keep that detail hidden because investigators did not want her discussing the calls so that detectives could later question suspects about them, and weed out false confessions.


He called at 1 a.m. and said MB was dead, and the call only lasted 40 seconds....in that moment, you would think he would revel in saying that to her sister, why was the call so short?

And I think investigators have many more pieces of info such as this and are doing the same thing-not releasing it and telling witnesses/family not to say anything bc of the investigation. What else do they know?

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

No, the gov will NOT be able to find me with a cell in my pocket, if the cell is turned off and i remove the battery or if i buy another disposable phone or if i am in the middle of Times Square walking with hundreds of other people, or if i am in a stadium full of people, etc

Does it take a lot of brains or "skills" to turn off your cell phone, or remove the battery from it, or call from Times Square or Grand Central Station? I don't think so.

I am not even going to address the "turn your phone into a microphone" rumour LOL
I am sure you already know, the government can also scan your thoughts with microwaves, which is why everyone should line their bedroom walls and ceiling with silver foil, LOL

Again you can defeat surveillance on anything. If you feel someone is trying to track you all the time or your a SK I would recommend taking the Battery out of your Phone. I don't have these fears. I do know certain things are possible. Next time you get a Cell Phone Bill look for a charge E911. this is for your protection- should you need police, Fire, or Ambulance and not be able to convey your location. It is only logical that this among other technologies in a Cell phone can be used to track someone. I didn't invent any of these technologies and it's no big secret. As for a cell phone being used as a listening device, read up on it. This was dated 5 years ago.


http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'd bet my bottom dollar that LI hobbyists could offer us alot of valuable info on this case. If there are any among us, I doubt they would want to put themselves out there on a public forum. However, if there are any among us, and they want to pass valuable info along, I'd be more than happy to take pm's and be your go-between. No judgement what-so-ever.

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

Thank you for posting the link, I found it very informative and probably one of the most clear, concise articles I've read thus far. Of course its the NYT, so no surprise they deliver good stuff. Anyway, here is what I think is the most important piece of the story:

“He kept us hopeful,” she said at the time. But in an interview on Wednesday, she said the man’s last call — which occurred at about 1 a.m. on Aug. 26, 2009, and lasted about 40 seconds — had confirmed the family’s worst fears.

“In the final call, he said he had killed her,” Lynn Barthelemy, who lives in the Buffalo area, said.

Ms. Barthelemy said she had tried to keep that detail hidden because investigators did not want her discussing the calls so that detectives could later question suspects about them, and weed out false confessions.


He called at 1 a.m. and said MB was dead, and the call only lasted 40 seconds....in that moment, you would think he would revel in saying that to her sister, why was the call so short?

And I think investigators have many more pieces of info such as this and are doing the same thing-not releasing it and telling witnesses/family not to say anything bc of the investigation. What else do they know?

Very true, it seems each week a little more comes out. I can understand the Family being frustrated and saying something LE might have said to keep it out of the News.

 

[Secret77]

As for a cell phone being used as a listening device, read up on it. This was dated 5 years ago.


http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

That "feature" can only be done by downloading special firmware to a few phone models as mentioned in the article.

There is nothing mysterious about the knowledge that if you turn off your phone and remove the battery from it, there is not way ANYONE can track the phone or use it as a microphone.

You don't have to be a genius to know this, so basically there are many ways the average person can avoid being tracked by the government. They are not as powerful and omniscient as you think.

 

[NJGuy]

I'd bet my bottom dollar that LI hobbyists could offer us alot of valuable info on this case. If there are any among us, I doubt they would want to put themselves out there on a public forum. However, if there are any among us, and they want to pass valuable info along, I'd be more than happy to take pm's. No judgement.

I would include NNJ in that as well. Many of these girls travel all over the metro area. As well as if the girls are with an agency, they often go around the area.

But thank you, and I agree with your post

 

[crimesnooper]

I still think he lives near the area although I agree it may be a rental and his real home is in the city. This may seem completely off the mark but I think this guy disposes the remains in an area that if police spot ( or anybody else)him he has a built-in reason for being in the area. I keep thinking about Jeffrey Dahmer and his first victim. Police stopped him late at night driving in the town where he lives with the body in the trash bag in ther car. But he tells them he can't sleep and he was just going to the city dump. Since he lives right around the corner, he's local and "ok."

I also noticed in the radio interview when asked if the dr had been cleared..if I read this right..the anwser was not "yes" but "he's been cooperative".

 

[21merc7]

This may seem completely off the mark but I think this guy disposes the remains in an area that if police spot ( or anybody else)him he has a built-in reason for being in the area.

Respectfully snipped:

Such as clamming or fishing. Are there any others anyone can think of?

 

[carbuff]

Maybe He knew who Mellissa's sister was. A bar scene,or out shopping with her and ran into the killer. I think she has at least seen him and he took notice.

Was mellissa ever arrested or her sister ever in court with her?

I keep wondering if the Craigslist stuff isn't at least partly a red herring -- if he isn't selecting from within the Craigslist pool based on some other criteria.

I also wonder whether it's true that none of the other victims' families were called, or if the information just hasn't been released to the public.

 

[svpernin]

With the talk about how the SK knew which contact in her phone was Melissa's sister, I just wanted to re-state my theory on this:

Melissa's sister was due to come visit her soon after she disappeared. I would not be at all surprised if they two of them were having constant text convos making plans for that trip. It is also very likely that those convos included statements like "Ask mom if you can take the bus down here at 4:30 on Saturday" (or whatever). The killer could have easily read something like that and made the connection.

Also, while it makes sense that Melissa could have two different cell phones (a personal phone and a phone she used for setting up appointments), I doubt her sister would have the work phone number stored in her phone (why would she have that number?) Yet she knew the calls were coming from Melissa's phone. Therefore, I really think he used Melissa's personal phone to make these calls so he would have had access to her personal text history and possibly even her Facebook account (another way he could have found out her sister's name).

Those calls were so sick, sadistic, and disturbing. They need to catch this guy, immediately.

 

[evelyn24]

There isn't any evidence to support the theory that she is was killed either.
She is still missing.
Please read the threads and check your facts.
Nobody ever used SG's phone to call her family.
You are confusing MB with SG.

LE knows who her driver was that night.. the same person she was arrested with back in 2009. His name is already known from that arrest.

There's been confirmation it wasn't Shannon's phone? I haven't heard anyone say who's phone was used to call SG's mom. Heck, LE is saying they don't even know about the call so how do we know who's phone was used?

 

[carbuff]

Thank you for posting the link, I found it very informative and probably one of the most clear, concise articles I've read thus far. Of course its the NYT, so no surprise they deliver good stuff. Anyway, here is what I think is the most important piece of the story:

“He kept us hopeful,” she said at the time. But in an interview on Wednesday, she said the man’s last call — which occurred at about 1 a.m. on Aug. 26, 2009, and lasted about 40 seconds — had confirmed the family’s worst fears.

“In the final call, he said he had killed her,” Lynn Barthelemy, who lives in the Buffalo area, said.

Ms. Barthelemy said she had tried to keep that detail hidden because investigators did not want her discussing the calls so that detectives could later question suspects about them, and weed out false confessions.


He called at 1 a.m. and said MB was dead, and the call only lasted 40 seconds....in that moment, you would think he would revel in saying that to her sister, why was the call so short?

And I think investigators have many more pieces of info such as this and are doing the same thing-not releasing it and telling witnesses/family not to say anything bc of the investigation. What else do they know?

Okay, this is scary and creepy, but I wonder if he had been keeping her alive until then?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I would include NNJ in that as well. Many of these girls travel all over the metro area. As well as if the girls are with an agency, they often go around the area.

But thank you, and I agree with your post

Offer extended to include all of the above.