NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #6

[NJGuy]

I know we have been asked nicely to not write gossip and rumors etc.. and I think what I a writing now falls within the accepted parameters (my apologies if it does not)

My personal feeling and thought is that SG and the other girls are linked. And whatever happened to SG, it happened inside Oak Beach. Maybe she wasn't killed there, but something happened in that community to link her to the other girls. I also believe JB and PH gave LE enough credible information that they have been ruled out as suspects. What information they shared with LE is anyone's guess, but I think LE have enough concrete information to rule them out. And which is why they are not sharing that with the public, they know a piece or pieces of information from JB and PH and possibly others to conclusively and confidently rule these people out. Something JB may have said or provided LE has given them A)reason to rule him out, B) some avenue or evidence that they are investigating strongly but not sharing it with MSM. Which probably means they certainly have a strong idea what happened and maybe even who was responsible.

Lastly, when LE gave conferences and updates to MSM and public, they gave them about the SK and the girls found, and not SG individually. Which means when they said JB and PH are not suspects, they are not suspects in any of the girls' disappearances, not solely SG's. Which, in turn, leads me to believe they have connected SG with the other girls, but have not released it yet because it is central to the investigation.

Maybe that's just semantics on my part, but that's what I gathered from the pressers and updates from LE

 

[susan1122]

Good Morning Everyone!

I would like to say a special thanks to eveyone who gave updates over the weekend. It was a busy wknd for me and I didn't have much time for sleuthing.

The bones found in the water is new info to me. LE sure isn't saying much. I hope LE did shut down that erotica site and is going over it with fine tooth comb. Isn't that the one where a poster said he like 'the thrill of the hunt'?

wm

Hi wm, excuse the snip. I am on an iPad and having a hard time posting. I just wanted to agree.....I also hope it is LE that closed down the site to get all the info they can. People up here are so amazing. I am pretty sure the press read this site and then started the articles about that erotic site. So whoever first posted that could be the one that got LE onto it. Great work!

Susan

 

[Aleph]

I'll just add that I think we really need to consider the possibility that our victims were on "car dates". Simple thing to toss out a naked body near where your car date occurs...not so easy to get a naked, dead prostitute out of a hotel room. JMO

I saw a true crime show once (or maybe it was an article I read) about a man who killed an escort in a hotel room and removed her body in a large rolling suitcase. Obviously, only a petite woman would fit inside a piece of luggage...

 

[Dee10]

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/04/18/fbi-helicopter-to-search-for-ocean-parkway-remains/

A Suffolk County police spokeswoman said the dive team is not expected to return to Hemlock Cove after scouring a small portion of the bay bottom for three days last week.

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

Hey guys, this may sound stupid but I'll ask it anyway. Do we have the "official" LE briefs? Not CNN or other MM. I know LE has been holding the cards close but when they give a Press release do they give the minutes of the brief or it's just open Mic? When I read a Story if it says AP I know that's based on official information given. I'm just curious.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm sure this link has already been posted, but if so I'm reposting it because I think it's incredibly important to know as much about these victims as possible in order to discern any connections there might be between them. The news links section is particularly helpful.

http://www.meganwaterman.com/index.html

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I saw a true crime show once (or maybe it was an article I read) about a man who killed an escort in a hotel room and removed her body in a large rolling suitcase. Obviously, only a petite woman would fit inside a piece of luggage...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it couldn't be done, just that it would be a much more difficult task than tossing a victim of a car date from the vehicle.

Incidentally, MW was 5 ft. 5 and weighed 145 lbs. Not exactly petite.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

post # 24 is interesting.....the LI serial killer site has now been linked in our media thread.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6350061#post6350061"]NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK, 4 more found 3/11 NO DISCUSSION - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

wm

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Hi wm, excuse the snip. I am on an iPad and having a hard time posting. I just wanted to agree.....I also hope it is LE that closed down the site to get all the info they can. People up here are so amazing. I am pretty sure the press read this site and then started the articles about that erotic site. So whoever first posted that could be the one that got LE onto it. Great work!

Susan

Thanks Susan. I credit internetgirl101 for digging around and finding the first site. She is a great sleuth, that one.

After she revealed her find (she just paraphrased and didn't give a link, just the name) the ball started rolling and spvernin, reannan and a few other brave sleuth researchers began nosy ing around different sites and gathering information. (Sorry if I left anyone out)

I visited a couple times but was skeered! I admire these sleuths for their
ba!!s in sleuthing those sites because what you read there aint pretty....that's for sure.

I think the talent we have here at WS is a great resource for LE! Everybody raise your right hand:rocker:
....and give yourselves a pat on the back!

MOO

wm

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

Who was the poster here who noted that Nancy Grace was talking about de-fleshing and that what got us all started about the fact that it must have already been skeletenized remains put in the burlap bags?

I'll have to go back and find that and all of our posts pertinent to our discussion.

I talked about it a bit but I gotta go now. Do a search of my posts..be back this evening.

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

I saw a true crime show once (or maybe it was an article I read) about a man who killed an escort in a hotel room and removed her body in a large rolling suitcase. Obviously, only a petite woman would fit inside a piece of luggage...

I'm trying to think of the Case. I think he put it in the trunk of a Taxi and the Cab Driver said "man it's heavy feels like a body" It might have been 48 hours or Dateline.

 

[whywhywhy]

hey all.. Great sleuthing so far. I've been following your posts since thread #2.. I finally had enough reading and wanted to give you some of my thoughts.

I know it's a stretch, but do you think the "Italia" name has anything to do with "italyrider" from the following article?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...g_island_hooker_later_murdered_dumped_in.html

The quote from the article:
"Shortly after, a pal called "italyrider" asked for her address: "No one from this board needs to be involved. I have friends who can take care of this s---." "

that's pretty significant if you ask me.. Then all of you mentioned the whole "IB" "JB" coincidences with the houses in the nearby town. Probably just a big coincidence but I had to mention it.

Another quote from the article;
"After "Morrie" posted that no one would "hear from those 2 girls anymore," Humiliatrix69 seemed grateful. "Thanks for all the help." "

Who's Morrie???

And that name Humiliatrix69.. Sounds pretty sick to me. "Humili" sounds like humiliation, atrix is short for dominatrix and we all know what 69 is. That guys is definitely into some sick ***** even if he's innocent.


Also, does anyone know if the bodies found in March and April were dumped after the December bodies were found? Maybe when LE found the burlap wrapped bodies, it spooked the SK and the he got rid of the rest of his victims. I find it hard to believe that the police dog missed unwrapped bodies on his search but found burlap wrapped bodies.

IMHO, I think this whole thing is some twisted sex slave ring. One of the locations just happens to be in Oak Beach.. The other locations could be in the West Babylon or Islip area. Is there some kind of shed in the Oak beach area belonging to the doc or JB? Maybe that whole rehab center rumor is true and the doc takes them in after they get used and abused, and in his mind cleanses them of sins.

Maybe SG is still in some basement or shed somewhere, and still alive.. I can see sick, twisted johns come in and do what they please, while the victim is drugged or caged.. *shivers* Like some kind of sick, sick fantasy, they might pay high dollar too. And if one of the victims happens to perish, they got a guy that can "dispose" of them.

I feel sick just posting this stuff. I hope they catch this freak or freaks soon.

 

[Reannan]

There is some interesting information in this article:

“We came through some thick brush and we saw it together,” Officer Mallia said. “It looked like a skull on top of a bag. Right away, we knew what it was.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/n...le-for-officer-and-dog.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it couldn't be done, just that it would be a much more difficult task than tossing a victim of a car date from the vehicle.

Incidentally, MW was 5 ft. 5 and weighed 145 lbs. Not exactly petite.

Hi Mountain Kat. The one thing that struck me about Megan aside from her larger frame than the other victims is that she was very young looking. Actually, IMO, she was the youngest looking of the 4.

Megan's youthfulness, along with the other women's small stature is why I have opined a few times that the SK may be a RSO who really has an appetite for younger girls. But since he is an RSO he has a record and can't afford to risk affiliations with underage girls any longer. Perhaps he is taking out his anger on these escorts because thay aren't what he REALLY wants.

Just a theory and MOO.

wm

ps Love your posts!

 

[waltzingmatilda]

whywhywhy,

:welcome4:


Great first post! Hope you stick with us here at WS. We have a great group here!

wm

 

[dcgrumpy]

As far as the skeleton goes. Just last week I saw something on tv, I can't remember what it was but it was a timelapsed video of a dead deer to see how long it took to become skeletonized.It took less than 10 days. I think it's possible for the bodies to be mostly bones in a few months.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

This article says that Body #1 WAS skeletal. It also says the same officer found the first 5 bodies... plus that 6th body unrelated to this case in December. Can we like have him come look for all the other missing people in the country? :waitasec:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/n...-for-bodies-key-role-for-officer-and-dog.html


This is video of body 2, 3 or 4 - also skeletal

http://www.wpix.com/videobeta/?watchId=bf7774c9-af77-4905-96a0-bbd5835f5208


Summer 2007

Summer 2009

Summer 2010

September 2010

I guess we would assume that those two skeletal ones would be from 2007 and 2009? If they were just naturally skeletal?

It was also said though, that they appeared to have been there longer than Summer of 2010... they didn't think Megan was one of them at first. So, maybe they were more skeletal than even they expected.

http://www.longislandexchange.com/articles/news/gilgobeachbody-012011.html


Map of bodies:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/bodies-found-at-li-beaches-1.2541830?qr=1

I am bumping this post that Ms Facetious so kindly posted at 5:55 this am. There is a map of the body locations in there that is helpful. As you can see the most recent finds (the skull and the bones) were quite aways from the original finds.

Also I invite new sleuths to check out our media thread for allo news articles. (no discussion allowed) It is linked in my above 11:20 am post.

Thank you, wm

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

I'm trying to think of the Case. I think he put it in the trunk of a Taxi and the Cab Driver said "man it's heavy feels like a body" It might have been 48 hours or Dateline.

That would be Jeffrey Dahmer.

 

[dcgrumpy]

I saw a true crime show once (or maybe it was an article I read) about a man who killed an escort in a hotel room and removed her body in a large rolling suitcase. Obviously, only a petite woman would fit inside a piece of luggage...

There was a an episode of Dateline/48 hours/20/20 a couple of weeks ago where a guy put a body in a suitcase. He was in Miami for a convention and met her in the hotel elevator. He killed her in his room, put her in his luggage and dumped the body a couple of miles away. She was a cruiseline worker.

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

No doubt the 4 girls have some things in common the main item is he got to them online. This alone is going to limit to a certain degree his ideal victim. yes there are many girls who post but it has to fit his time, if he does not want to register with say CL. they all have to put phone numbers up that's going to make the pool of girls even less, If he was picking up a Street girl he could drive around and see even then it would take patience. Unless this guy is always looking.