NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #6

[CarnacTheMagnificent]

Of possible interest

An article about a NYPD Manhattan officer who was arrested in July 2010 after trying to lure an 11 year old girl into his car in Albany. He owns homes in Albany and Freeport Long Island. He also had an incident with a prostitute in Brooklyn that he found on Craigslist

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/DA-Ex-cop-in-child-stalking-case-flashed-badge-1294154.php

Although this guy doesn't seem nearly crafty enough to pull off what the SK has done.

 

[scandi]

I get the feeling this guy does what he does for his amusement and his alone. I don't think he cares if the bodies are found or not. If they aren't found, he still has his own personal trophy case to admire. If they are found, so what? Can't trace anything back to him. I think he fancies himself that smart.

So then, why did he call MB's sister? To add insult to injury. Not to the sister, but to MB (although, I think he got off on tormenting the sister too). Even in death he needed to control and debase MB. What better way to do that than to smear her memory in the heart of someone who loved her? My guess is that simply killing her didn't give him closure. Why, I don't know. Maybe she died quickly and he felt she didn't suffer enough. But I think it's interesting that he makes a point of letting the sister know exactly what MB did for a living. Somehow, he knew her family didn't know. I don't think that is something MB would have confided on a first "date". I would bet he was a regular. Perhaps he was obsessed with MB or something, and she finally made it clear this was never going to be more than business, and that's why he killed her.

And as I'm typing that, it suddenly occurs to me that something like that might well explain the gap between killings. Maybe he does become obsessed with certain ones. And maybe that's why these 4, out of all the providers he sees, ended up dead. Maybe it's about possession. I don't know.

(Thinking outloud, so don't any one hold me to those opinions.)

MOO

You say he might have been a regular of hers and it got me thinking. Pat Brown said this SK is most likely a sexual sadist. I guess that means that by torturing them he is satisfied. If it takes that to get him all excited I don't think he could have regular sex with a prostitute.

Was Ridgeway a sexual sadist? He was married. I have no idea how this works but am just curious what you guys think.

 

[snapdragon2]

I wrote about this before but I think it's worth mentioning again. There is a community called "Oak Island" that is actually on a little island, and it is right across from where some of the bodies were found. I stayed there for a week (rented a cottage) a few years ago. You can only get there by boat - motor boat or even row boat. There is a parking lot off of Ocean Parkway, right near the bodies' location, where people going to Oak Island park there cars, and they have their boats moored there. (It's narrow enough that if you wanted to swim you probably could. You could actually row there. But most people, of course, have motor boats.) Oak Island is very small - the cottages/houses are only along the shore, and behind them is basically federally protected wetlands or something like that. When I was there it rained and it was like a swamp back there. It's really private and quiet there - I go to Fire Island now, and most of the communities on Fire Island are booming metropolis in comparison (and believe me, they are small!)

Obviously there's nothing to indicate anyone from Oak Island would be involved or the properties or whatnot, but it is very close, very private, and there's all that swampland back there. I'm just saying. (I'm just saying I can't believe I went there for a week by myself!)

I guess they can't search everywhere in the vicinity, but personally, I am a little creeped out. Then again, the bodies that were found we likely tossed from a car. Taking a body somewhere like Oak Island or Fire Island would be a lot more difficult.

(By the way, you'd have to look on a google map close-up to see Oak Island - you can see the houses/cottages along the shore, and the parking lot. I don't think it is actually labelled "Oak Island" and if you put that into the search engine, it won't find it for you. I went there, and I still had to search for it on the map. But take a look and you'll see what I mean...) (Actually, google maps is incorrect - it says "Oak Island" but where it says that is NOT Oak Island at all. The parking lot is labelled correctly though. I don't know why that is.)

(I just looked at the map - the eastern end of Oak Island is pretty much in line with that big parking lot right to the west of where the Fairway starts. It looks like there's about 50 or so dwellings.)

 

[otto]

You say he might have been a regular of hers and it got me thinking. Pat Brown said this SK is most likely a sexual sadist. I guess that means that by torturing them he is satisfied. If it takes that to get him all excited I don't think he could have regular sex with a prostitute.

Was Ridgeway a sexual sadist? He was married. I have no idea how this works but am just curious what you guys think.

Read about Russell Williams to get a clear understanding of the true nature of the sado-sexual murderer. He was only getting started when he was caught (two victims murdered), but he was spending more time with each victim. He stalked them all.

 

[Allusonz]

Interesting points by Cuomo from abc not sure if anyone has posted this yet

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/video/...82931&section=1206836&playlist=3236090&page=1

 

[shadowraiths]

So then, why did he call MB's sister?

That he called several times for six weeks in a row indicates fairly intense obsession. That he used the term "*advertiser censored*" in his very first call indicates the obsession involves a moral corollary. That he stopped calling after the family went public about the calls indicates publicity was definitely not one of his underlying motives. Otherwise put, this sort of behavior indicates a sadistic streak with underlying obsessive features that has something to do with "his view" of moral behavior.

Melissa Barthelemy's sister, Amanda, who was then 15, got the first call from an unidentified man a few days after Barthelemy was last seen in New York City on July 12, 2009, said their mother, Lynn, and her fiance, Jeff Martina.

They said the last call came on August 26, soon after they told a Buffalo TV station about the calls.

[...]

Barthelemy's family faulted the police for delaying the initial search for her. But New York City police said they had begun to track her cellphone signal within a week of her being reported missing.

“Missing persons launched an intensive investigation as soon as they received the case,” chief NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said on Thursday.

Police tracked the signal to midtown Manhattan and searched areas near Pennsylvania Station and the Port Authority bus terminal, but the signal went dead, according to an official who had direct knowledge of the case but was not authorised to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Later, cellphone records obtained through a court order showed a call to her voicemail was made in Massapequa, a hamlet not far from where her body was found, on the day she went missing, the official said. ( link )​

Imo, the solution to this case will rest on the first of these July 12 through August 26 phone calls in conjunction wrt where the victims went missing and were found. Excluding Maureen, 3 victims went missing within a 10 mile radius of each other. If Melissa was the killer's second victim, it is quite probable he made a mistake when he called from Massapequa. And that his later calls originating from Times Square, Penn Station, & Port Authority Bus Terminal, were designed to throw LE off... to skew geoprofiling statistical calcs.

 

[shadowraiths]

Btw, is anyone checking out review sites for agencies, drivers, and johns? That is, places where sex workers can review the people the do business with? Even if these women did not post reviews, there's likely to be some individuals who exhibit a history of violence, who break even their rules, and end up on a black list, so to speak. Just sayin...

 

[cleo612]

Does anyone else find it curious that law enforcement is denying knowledge of the phone calls to Shannan's family by someone claiming to be Dr. PH?

How then, or rather, why, would law enforcement have already had this man in their sights, even going so far as to interview him "two or three times?" These interviews took place prior to their denying knowledge of the phone calls to Shannan's family.

Were they given PH's name by someone else (not Shannan's family), or did his name turn up via other avenues of their investigation?

Does he (PH) have a deeper connection to these murdered women? Is he somehow associated with JB?

 

[21merc7]

I don't think this is his only dump site though, I think there are others farther north. But that's just a hunch, nothing what so ever to base that on.

Respectfully snipped.

I agree with this. I think there are more farther north, and perhaps in other areas not close to LI if he travels a lot. I don't think the bodies currently found are the only ones, and I don't think he took off all of 2008, all though it is certainly possible for many reasons, I just don't think so. Not sure when his first was, but it may have been before 2007.

The phone calls/texts suggest a bit of immaturity to his "control" needs. Well, that was just silly, so does murdering people for whatever reason he has, lol.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

That he called several times for six weeks in a row indicates fairly intense obsession. That he used the term "*advertiser censored*" in his very first call indicates the obsession involves a moral corollary. That he stopped calling after the family went public about the calls indicates publicity was definitely not one of his underlying motives. Otherwise put, this sort of behavior indicates a sadistic streak with underlying obsessive features that has something to do with "his view" of moral behavior.

Melissa Barthelemy's sister, Amanda, who was then 15, got the first call from an unidentified man a few days after Barthelemy was last seen in New York City on July 12, 2009, said their mother, Lynn, and her fiance, Jeff Martina.

They said the last call came on August 26, soon after they told a Buffalo TV station about the calls.

[...]

Barthelemy's family faulted the police for delaying the initial search for her. But New York City police said they had begun to track her cellphone signal within a week of her being reported missing.

“Missing persons launched an intensive investigation as soon as they received the case,” chief NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said on Thursday.

Police tracked the signal to midtown Manhattan and searched areas near Pennsylvania Station and the Port Authority bus terminal, but the signal went dead, according to an official who had direct knowledge of the case but was not authorised to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Later, cellphone records obtained through a court order showed a call to her voicemail was made in Massapequa, a hamlet not far from where her body was found, on the day she went missing, the official said. ( link )​

Imo, the solution to this case will rest on the first of these July 12 through August 26 phone calls in conjunction wrt where the victims went missing and were found. Excluding Maureen, 3 victims went missing within a 10 mile radius of each other. If Melissa was the killer's second victim, it is quite probable he made a mistake when he called from Massapequa. And that his later calls originating from Times Square, Penn Station, & Port Authority Bus Terminal, were designed to throw LE off... to skew geoprofiling statistical calcs.

Thanks Shadow. Interesting that ALC disappeared one week after the last call to MB's sister. It makes me wonder if he was in a rage over being outed by MB's family about the call and took his frustration out on ALC. MOO

wm

 

[Reannan]

Seaslug44 posted some fantastic aerial photos. Hope the link still works:

http://s641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/Seaslug44/Beach high def/

Thanks Redbird, and Thanks Seaslug44!!! Those are beautiful pictures!

 

[justcuri]

Didn't see this posted last night...

Cops: Bone found on South Shore not human
Newsday April 19, 2011 9:46 PM
A bone found last week during an ongoing search for remains on a South Shore island is not human, Suffolk police said Tuesday.
A person spotted the bone near the parking lot at Oak Beach on Friday afternoon and alerted police. It was taken to the Suffolk County medical examiner's office, where technicians determined it was not human, a police spokeswoman said.
The find occurred while police conducted the third day of a water search last week for the remains of Shannan Gilbert, a missing Jersey City woman, or other clues around Hemlock Cove in the Great South Bay.

 

[Astrella613]

Did they ever search JB's house or houses?

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

Gary Ridgway's wife seemed to be a bit like that. I know she thought he was working. Not putting her down at all...I feel for that woman.

When I think of his wife I instantly become flabbergasted. It's one thing when your husband has sex with other women but it's a whole 'nother animal when he has sex with dead women.

I would religiously pay Gary a visit in prison just to whoop his **** behind that mess!

 

[Redbird]

Didn't see this posted last night...

Cops: Bone found on South Shore not human
Newsday April 19, 2011 9:46 PM
A bone found last week during an ongoing search for remains on a South Shore island is not human, Suffolk police said Tuesday.
A person spotted the bone near the parking lot at Oak Beach on Friday afternoon and alerted police. It was taken to the Suffolk County medical examiner's office, where technicians determined it was not human, a police spokeswoman said.
The find occurred while police conducted the third day of a water search last week for the remains of Shannan Gilbert, a missing Jersey City woman, or other clues around Hemlock Cove in the Great South Bay.

See how they still link the discovery of bones and bodies as being part of their search for Shannan. I wonder if it could mean they have some evidence regarding Shannan and need to find a body to arrest anyone.

 

[Soulmagent]

Didn't see this posted last night...

Cops: Bone found on South Shore not human
Newsday April 19, 2011 9:46 PM
A bone found last week during an ongoing search for remains on a South Shore island is not human, Suffolk police said Tuesday.
A person spotted the bone near the parking lot at Oak Beach on Friday afternoon and alerted police. It was taken to the Suffolk County medical examiner's office, where technicians determined it was not human, a police spokeswoman said.
The find occurred while police conducted the third day of a water search last week for the remains of Shannan Gilbert, a missing Jersey City woman, or other clues around Hemlock Cove in the Great South Bay.

It sure seems like they are seriously considering Gus's "she might of fell of the dock " theory.

Which leads me to become less confident in what leads they may have. I was one who thought they where directly lead to those bodies by tips. I still think. This water search for Shannon specificly though has me questioning the whole suspect issues again.

 

[Patience]

Btw, is anyone checking out review sites for agencies, drivers, and johns? That is, places where sex workers can review the people the do business with? Even if these women did not post reviews, there's likely to be some individuals who exhibit a history of violence, who break even their rules, and end up on a black list, so to speak. Just sayin...

Yes and the national blacklist for escorts says that there are lots of warnings.

The Tri-State Region has ( 2462 ) Current Postings​

 

[cluciano63]

Kind of OT, but I am reading a book about the life of Peter Sutcliffe, aka Yorkshire Strangler, and his very first encounter with a prostitute turned out to be one where she pulled a scam, taking a 10 pound note from him and telling him to stop at a certain cafe to make change for him, and then of course, she never came back out. He was soon chased off by some thugs in on the scam. This enraged him so that he began haunting the area and beating various working girls with a rock inside a sock. And then of course, progressed to murder.

Anyway, I read that and thought about the alleged scams that at least one of the women in this case may have perpetrated against a customer and how it can enrage the wrong guy.

 

[crimesnooper]

It would also explain why they were place at intervals. Easier to remember where he left them. I bet he has markers to go by.

I think would be tough for a marker stay put in that envionment unless it was some paint..but that would be too obvious. But a GPS would work great. Just "recalulate" as soon as he turns on the road and you have your exact mileage, and you store your route.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Hmmmm.... Many of you have been sluething for a really long time so I trust you have reasons for forming many of your theories. I lost count of how many times I've read "he keeps constant watch over the site where he dumped the bodies...".

You all just made me remember something key in relation to this watching over theory; Did anyone mention to you guys that from the shore of the mainland of Long Island in the hamlets of MASSAPEQUA, COPIAGUE, LINDENHURST, BABYLON & WEST ISLIP, there is a clear view of the island where the bodies were dumped!

As a matter of fact, at night from the mainland with clear skies, you can easily see police car or ambulance lights.

Good thinking seaslug44. He may be using geographic markers from his view in one of the areas you mentioned.

This really struck me as a viable theory as I live on a narrow strip of land between the Atlantic and a canal. I stand at my door or sit on the deck and look across the canal while having coffee, etc. and know every marker across the way. I mean every big tree, house, dock, parking lot etc. SK may have selected OP as his disposal so that he can always keep an eye on it. I would also bet that this person peers through a telescope or binoculars habitually.

Are there houses positioned on the water in the areas mentioned?

Thanks,

MOO

wm