NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #9

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"....According to a source, police determined it was a headless human body which was "in really rough shape," almost entirely bones with only a bit of skin left.

Police believe it was in the water through the winter, but they have no idea where it came from; there are no active missing person cases in the area.



BBM - http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8147215

Although this new discovery may be totally unrelated to the Ocean Parkway and Manorville bodies, (it could have washed up from any number of places) I just can't believe how many bodies they are finding on LI in similar conditions and circumstances. Yes, there are A LOT of people here and I know I've been hyper-aware since the Gilgo bodies were discovered but it still seems odd to me. My gut tells me there has to be a connection. I wish LE would tell us more about the unidentified Ocean Parkway bodies. It's been so quiet.
 

Hi goathair,

Forgive if this has been asked...
In the google map you posted, there seems to be a long road that rolls from at least Fire Island to the eat end of LI? Am I reading that correctly? What is that road (betcha I know b4 u tell me - LIE? Maybe not LIE, but what is that road)?

Also goathair,
Can you (or anyone) provide us with maps that show the Manorville area - especially where the bodies were found...the ideal photo for me would show the pine barrens, the roads leading into/away from, main parkways/expressways, etc., and the overall topography of the area...Can you help? TIA! Oh, and if that's not enough...I would love a satellite pic too!
:websleuther::cupcake:
 
I just posted so long I got signed out.....uuuuggh! Lost the post that is frustrating. Thanks for your reply Seaslug

Hi KPcrimeNY,

LOL! That happened to me all the time! Some posters were kind enough to help me out so I will pass it on:

When you sign in, click the "remember me" button...you should then be able to post and not lose it! Good luck and welcome to WS!:partyguy2:
 
"....According to a source, police determined it was a headless human body which was "in really rough shape," almost entirely bones with only a bit of skin left.

Police believe it was in the water through the winter, but they have no idea where it came from; there are no active missing person cases in the area.



BBM - http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8147215
BBM last sentence.
OMG! There are at least three that come to mind in the blink of an eye, SG, the young male with the pitbull and that 40 something woman, who was once a model and was thought to have maybe turned to escort work.

Then there is the long list of missing woman that so many here put together and posted. How the hell can they even put that in print...not to mention the possible missings from Conn. RI and Mass shore towns!
 
OK so I finally was able to talk to my friend who knows that guy in Oak Beach. It wouldn't surprise him if he was involved in the disappearance of SG. I mentioned that they went for a 15 minute ride in Oak Beach when SG got there and people are saying they went on a drug run and he said "Probably, he was always a coke head". Apparently he has always had a habit of hiring escorts and he even got VD from one. My friend said that he had a kid who is autistic and they think the VD might have caused the condition. All speculation but he just offered it up.

Also, my friend has family that lives in Oak Beach and apparently a doctor that lives in Oak Beach went to Europe and hasn't been heard from for 3 months and there are rumors that this doctor is involved. I asked if it was the doctor that called SG's mom 3 days after her disappearance and he said Yes, he thinks so.

But I don't think CPH has escaped to Europe so he might be mistaken about that and maybe it's another doctor. Maybe the Emergency Room doctor who sold his house last year.

I think the people in Oak Beach know something. I really wish they would open their mouths and hang this perp out!

Hi goathair,
Thank you for sharing this with us! Are we thinking that this OB resident who likes coke is JB? It would totally make sense to me.
BTW, having an autistic child is a huge stressor. That, and the idea that he is being "TOLD" by women in his life that it's "his" fault that the child is autistic. Oh boy. This is a helluva post goathair!!!

And Mr Hyde is in Europe?

Could you pls tell me about the other ER doc? Are we getting our POI's confused, or is there another ER doc in OB that sold his house? I think it's PH. Same dude. Thanks again for a great post goathair!!!
 
Hi goathair,
Thank you for sharing this with us! Are we thinking that this OB resident who likes coke is JB? It would totally make sense to me.
BTW, having an autistic child is a huge stressor. That, and the idea that he is being "TOLD" by women in his life that it's "his" fault that the child is autistic. Oh boy. This is a helluva post goathair!!!

And Mr Hyde is in Europe?

Could you pls tell me about the other ER doc? Are we getting our POI's confused, or is there another ER doc in OB that sold his house? I think it's PH. Same dude. Thanks again for a great post goathair!!!

TwoCC, there was another ER doc who put his very large house up for sale...possibly two times as it didn't sell right away. He lived just to the right , going toward the docks, of the gatehouse...in other words, His house would have been right in SG's path when she ran from GC's yard and away from the man who was looking for her.
 
My now, there is way too much silence about these murders not to think police corruption and coverup is involved. The silence is hurting the case, not protecting it. There is no excuse for all of these victims remaining unidentified. Meanwhile there is at least one or two dangerous killers still on the lose. Not connected because the new victim was found 100 miles away? Like the SK would not have had access to cars, boats to transport bodies to a far away location. Particularly SG? Like PeterF14 and the Schwartz Report have said, something is rotten in Denmark, me thinks.
 
TwoCC, there was another ER doc who put his very large house up for sale...possibly two times as it didn't sell right away. He lived just to the right , going toward the docks, of the gatehouse...in other words, His house would have been right in SG's path when she ran from GC's yard and away from the man who was looking for her.

IIRC, didn't this doc put his house on the market, lower the price and then take it off the market altogether? Is the house currently for sale?
 
Thanks Just_K. I wasn't sure where his house was located, but this house is on the same street as JB and GC. I thought maybe it was the one we talked about earlier.
 
Check out this little gem and read very closely the 1st post about the other ER doc's property on 4/30/2008...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

Pretty sure it was the same owner in 2008 as in July 2010 when the house went on the market for $1,050,000 and was later listed again, by Weichert, for $899,990. Then there is no further info about the property but appears to be no longer listed. But what one finds very interesting is that an appraiser is posting about this location in 2008 for the purposes of lending:

"Thanks for the fast response, K****---Yes it is for lending purposes, and I already put over an hour of research into it, and probably will not go foward with it--Thanks"
 
Few more things I have been thinking and asking myself. Sorry to be throwing up all over. Coming out of lurker mode has me with lots to spew. :crazy:

Is it really possible that this much time has passed and the Nassau discoveries from 4/11 have not been Identified? As well as Asian man and Toddler?

I am also of the theory/opinion that things have gotten this quiet for a reason. Anybody else think or feel the same?

Looking at maps closer and realizing a few things: (Using Shadowraiths)
1. All were dumped on the side of the PKWY that head west? (which also leads me to question the "road work" i mentioned last night)
2. All the remains cover pretty much that whole PKWY from Robert Moses Causeway (Eastern End) to the Wantagh State PKWY (Western End). The span from Wantagh State PKWY to Meadowbrook PKWY where nothing has been found actually makes sense when knowing the area. Much more popular and populated all year round. But, it is still pretty deserted at the right times of night. I can understand though someone not being comfortable there at night doing these deeds.
3. All the remains from what I can see if the map is accurate are walking distance to a boat in the Bays or just close to water. Granted this may mean nothing and still could be easier done from the road. It just sticks out to me. This island ranges in with from less then 1000 ft to around 4000-5000 ft in areas. Water is always close though.
a. 1st spot most west in Nassau less than 1000 ft from waters of Zachs Bay
b. 2nd spot from west in Nassau less than 1000 ft from Gugenheim Pond. This one is furthest from large body as in bay or Ocean but, still close to water and the pond has waterways to it.
c. G4 and Asian male all surrounded with water about 1000 ft or less away.
d. JT remains a few hundres feet from water, same body of water that asian male was only hundreds of feet from
e. Unidentified and Toddler less then 1000 ft from inlet of water in the bay.

Like I said may be nothing to this at all but, strikes me as odd that water is so close to all the victims/remians. Also so close to that channel that runs parallel with the PKWY for pretty much the whole length of the PKWY. There is clearly spots on that Island where they could have been dumped alot more desolate then these surrounded by road and water.

Which leads me to my final thought...
That big field behind PH's house was that ever thoroughly searched?

Hi,
Good question about the PH property. I don't know the answer though...
Me personally, (or professionally!)I would have searched that house, that yard, that island, that beach...and all properties relating to any suspects, but that's JMO.
You brought up many good points and mostly I agree. Your post stuck out to me because I think "water" may be involved. In fact, It's a HUGE clue, IMHO.

We also need to consider the following clues (IMHO):

Vics were all known prostitutes
Most (if not all ) were addicted to drugs.I think this a huge clue, because the easiest way for a SK to get a working girl to go with him is to offer money, and "to do drugs, party" with her. Sad to say, but the best "tricks" or johns, if you're a dope fiend, is the tricks where you can get high. Sheesh, I can hear the girls thinking "if I have to do this, I'm gonna at least get some drugs off this guy".
On that note, it should be said that "street girls" are usually more addicted and more easily victimized. No offense is intended here, but him getting and killing "streetwalkers" is "like shooting fish in a barrel." It's too easy for him - IMO. He has tried all kinds of victims IMO, to prove his power and control abilities. For example, a man would be challenging - so he engages in a battle in his environment, and he is able to kill the man. It may have been a small asian man...but he emerged the victor - he had the ultimate control.

I think there is only one SK. His fantasies finally became to powerful - now he's acted on these fantasies. He's practiced, experimented, and learned about disposal. What kills me is I think he wants the bodies to be found. He can be challenged by the media, people and press. The world becomes his stage.

My post became a mini-profile!:floorlaugh: Seriously, what do you all think about that...am I off my rocker:HHJP:
There is a mention of "SEAGRASS" where the vics are found (this would "link" the AC murders too, IMO)
The manorville girls were dismembered, and part of their remains were deposited in or near... water.

So, IMHO, we are looking for an SK who obviously grew up on LI (my opinion).kA surfer, fisherman, or someone who lives there ro works ther.
Or, he works the roadways.
He wants his victims remains to be available to him to relive the fantasy... He's "fairly" smart. Not a genius.
He's got a thing for "water"
He's probably been controlled by a domineering woman (mother maybe - then he probably hookedf up with a woman who acted the same as his mother...!!!hahahah)
 
Hi goathair,

Forgive if this has been asked...
In the google map you posted, there seems to be a long road that rolls from at least Fire Island to the eat end of LI? Am I reading that correctly? What is that road (betcha I know b4 u tell me - LIE? Maybe not LIE, but what is that road)?

Also goathair,
Can you (or anyone) provide us with maps that show the Manorville area - especially where the bodies were found...the ideal photo for me would show the pine barrens, the roads leading into/away from, main parkways/expressways, etc., and the overall topography of the area...Can you help? TIA! Oh, and if that's not enough...I would love a satellite pic too!
:websleuther::cupcake:

twocuriouscats,

I believe the road you are referring to is Route 27 Sunrise Highway. The LIE is Route 495 and is north of Sunrise Highway.

Here is a link to the location where the Manorville bodies were found:

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=40.878543,-72.782536&num=1&t=h&sll=40.880782,-72.775884&sspn=0.025276,0.038581&ie=UTF8&ll=40.880814,-72.784081&spn=0.101105,0.219727&z=13"]40.878543,-72.782536 - Google Maps[/ame]
 
The continental shelf is 70+ miles offshore and this time of the year the gulf stream is over 100 miles away. Very little (if any) recreational boats were fishing that far offshore during April or May.

However, the area around Block Island has had an awesome run of codfish this winter & spring. If someone wants to blend in, they could easily do so by dumping the body during a fishing trip in the twighlight hours on the way to the fishing grounds. Codfish are large. They require large coolers of ice. This dumping was a matter of convenience. The person/people dumping the body were probably going out on their boat fishing anyway (as they probably did many other times this season).

Gardiners Island is way more risky. The coastline is rocky. There are caretakers on the island who are always on the lookout for tresspassers searching Captain Kidd's burried treasure (long story... Google it). Everyone knows that Gardiners is an off-limits, private island so any boat that approaches its shores would be considered suspicous. However, a boat with a giant cooler heading towards Block Island at 4am to do some codfishing would not raise a single eyebrow.

By the way, there are some really, really large coolers on the marketplace;
http://austin.olx.com/giant-monster-cooler-for-tailgating-hunting-fishing-iid-106020320
1279575428_106020320_4-Giant-MONSTER-COOLER-for-Tailgating-Hunting-Fishing-For-Sale-1279575428.jpg

WOW! Great pic seaslug! Tx! How big do those cod get? (O/T, I know, just got a "fishing jones"!!)

Seaslug, if you were going to dump something in the water and hope it was never seen again, where would you do it? And could I ask how you would do it? Respectfully asked by a friendly poster - asking you because of your knowledge of the area and of fishing...!:innocent: TIA!
 
If I was a killer I would try to go to the farthest point I could go to get reasonable distance between me and my victim. I would want to go as far away as I could without being away too long and break from my schedule.

Maybe because I can't imagine being interested in my quarry, ala Gary Ridgeway.
I can't imagine a sense of pride in my tinkerings, although this could be the case.

so I think there may be a kind of killer that is more reticent...like me...but then there might be a neighbor...like Mr.Hyde for example who would enjoy sauntering by his work on a lazy afternoon.

now I figure our killer, if we are keeping open minds...could live 2, maybe even 3 hours away from his girl garden...if he's a cop...maybe he works nights, undercover..can take the car out off the grid for several hours.

on another thought , the mural is still bothering me.
 
Thank you very much. :)

Would it be possible for a human body to travel from the Nantucket area to the place where these remains washed ashore?

I am relatively familiar with how bodies decompose on land and even in freshwater, but have no clue what effects saltwater would have on the decomposition of a human body.

Would it be possible for a human body clothed in heavy (Carhartt type) clothing and boots to still be relatively intact after a year and 3 months submerged in saltwater?

I am trying to figure out if it is possible that these remains might be those of Jon Hemingway who went missing from the Nantucket area in March of 2010. His wife claims that he might have gone overboard while on a trip back to the mainland in the middle of the night. Her excuse was that she was below deck in the cabin with their two toddler daughters sleeping and she believes that Jon went overboard while "taking a leak" over the side of the boat. The boat mysteriously made it's way back to shore, with no one piloting it, after running for hours in circles in the ocean. None of what she says makes any sense at all; in fact, her story is riddled with confusing bits of information, not to mention her very odd behavior after the fact. You can read more about Jon's case here: MA MA - Jon Hemingway, 36, Nantucket, 17 March 2010 - #5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


I appreciate any insight into the news and information that has been released thus far on these latest set of remains. Thank you very kindly in advance.

The waters of Nantucket and the east end of Long Island are one and the same so the answer is YES, a body could easily be carried by the currents. The time frame seems way off though. Not to sound too gross (but I think we are all adults here so hopefully you'll understand that I mean no disrespect to the families of dead), but I can tell you that a body lost at sea during March 2010 would be completely skull and bones by now.

For starters, During the Summer months the water reaches over 80 degrees. At these temps, decomposition would be rather rapid. But it's not the decomposition that will clear the bones of any notable flesh. It's the abundance of marine life. Mother nature is incredible. Marine life is abundant. In saltwater, Mother Nature has her way of cleansing the waters of decomposing organic matter. The ocean & bays are infested with scavengers. It's all part of the circle of life. Everything from tiny microscopic organisms right up to the top of the food chain will feast upon the flesh until there is nothing left. This is the case whether it is a huge pilot whale or a small rodent. During the Summer months it will take less than a month (and sometimes as quick as a couple of weeks) for the sea life to polish the bones clean of anything edible. Even the seagulls and terns will get in on the action when given the opportunity. Once again, I am so sorry for being so graphic.
 
to Seaslug ....the news has said the Amagansett remains *were* basically all bones...devoid of clothing..and they couldn't even determine gender.
 
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