OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #2

[Seattle1]

Exactly why people should get an attorney before talking to law enforcement. IMO they put words in her mouth and she was just agreeing with what they said. This is the tactic they used on her and they are experts on it. She was used to being compliant to please Mom. JMO.

I agree.

But I also see a lot of anger towards investigators that carried on an interrogation based on coroner's report of thermal injury (prior to recant), and few if any acknowledging the defendants responsibility to do what most people being investigated do -- consult an attorney.

This was not a child but a smart, privileged, student council, honors program graduate about to go to university in less than a month-- raised by educated parents.

After first interrogation, dad repeatedly questioned BSR's honesty on her two hour interview by detectives (i.e., we've known you 18 years and don't know when you're lying; why would detectives believe you are being truthful -- pg 57 transcript).

Shortly after interview, dad asked detective if BSR committed a chargeable offense, and detective responded yes.

When asked if BSR was going home that night, detective said 90% chance she would.

Detective explained they were waiting to get this [search warrant?] signed by Judge, and needed to finish up at the house, and prosecutor would make decision. Told them they could leave and wait elsewhere, but Richardson family stated they would wait at PD.

When BSR returned a week later for second interrogation, read her Miranda warning for the second time, she already had knowledge she was being investigated, and appeared without representation anyway.

It's difficult to believe that after a week to digest what happened, that dad and mom hadn't already consulted an attorney with what happened, or counseled their practiced, lying daughter to be honest but cautious when talking to detectives again-- especially if she was appearing alone.

Discussing this case last night with a 13 and 16 year old, without much thought – both said 'detectives were trying to convince her, and if she knew it was false, that’s when you stop talking, and say I’m out of here!' And that's when their 18 year old piano teacher added 'haven't they [SR, KR, BSR] heard of the Innocence Project, or watched Netflix Making a Murderer. And these are just average teens....

While I believe the prosecutor probably should have revisited the charges once the thermal injury opinion no longer applicable, and even considered the detectives 3,000 word interrogation to the defendants 300 words (many of which were inaudible), it's no excuse for the family not taking responsibility for their actions and/or lack of.

In spite of it all, I think BSR is going to be very lucky, and avoid punishment.

MOO

 

[BeckyF]

I agree.

But I also see a lot of anger towards investigators that carried on an interrogation based on coroner's report of thermal injury (prior to recant), and few if any acknowledging the defendants responsibility to do what most people being investigated do -- consult an attorney.

This was not a child but a smart, privileged, student council, honors program graduate about to go to university in less than a month-- raised by educated parents.

After first interrogation, dad repeatedly questioned BSR's honesty on her two hour interview by detectives (i.e., we've known you 18 years and don't know when you're lying; why would detectives believe you are being truthful -- pg 57 transcript).

Shortly after interview, dad asked detective if BSR committed a chargeable offense, and detective responded yes.

When asked if BSR was going home that night, detective said 90% chance she would.

Detective explained they were waiting to get this [search warrant?] signed, and needed to finish up at the house, and prosecutor would make decision. Told them they could leave and wait elsewhere, but Richardson family stated they would wait at PD.

When BSR returned a week later for second interrogation, read her Miranda warning for the second time, she already had knowledge she was being investigated, and appeared without representation anyway.

It's difficult to believe that after a week to digest what happened, that dad and mom hadn't already consulted an attorney with what happened, or counseled their practiced, lying daughter to be honest but cautious when talking to detectives again-- especially if she was appearing alone.

Discussing this case last night with a 13 and 16 year old, without much thought – both said 'detectives were trying to convince her, and if she knew it was false, that’s when you stop talking, and say I’m out of here!' And that's when their 18 year old piano teacher added 'haven't they [SR, KR, BSR] heard of the Innocence Project, or watched Netflix Making a Murderer. And these are just average teens....

While I believe the prosecutor probably should have revisited the charges once the thermal injury opinion no longer applicable, and even considered the detectives 3,000 word interrogation to the defendants 300 words (many of which were inaudible), it's no excuse for the family not taking responsibility for their actions and/or lack of.

In spite of it all, I think BSR is going to be very lucky, and avoid punishment.

MOO

Thank you for these details. I truly appreciate it.

 

[cherrymeg]

I have wondered that myself, they seem to have a very curious relationship.

It could be another way of control. Even when BSR is away from her mom physically she still can't escape her. If these were text messages what were face to face conversations like?

 

[gitana1]

It could be another way of control. Even when BSR is away from her mom physically she still can't escape her. If these were text messages what were face to face conversations like?

Shudder.

 

[cherrymeg]

Women have had perfectly healthy babies long before medical doctors and pre-natal vitamins. A woman having healthy baby without seeing a doctor until 11 days before birth is not a miracle. That’s silly.

To this day many women across the world never see one doctor in their entire lives much less to have a little one, they also are often void of nutrition their entire lives yet the population flourishes. I’m not advocating poor nutrition or boycotting the resources we as pregnant westerners have easy access too, but to say it’s a glorious miracle a baby can be born healthy without our creature comforts is a not accurate.

The human race wouldn't exist if people weren't able to give birth to live babies. Child birth was a risk and dangerous and it still can be. Women died in childbirth or after it pretty often. If you look at birth records on your family tree there are usually babies that didn't survive their first year of life or maybe the first day. Without modern medicine women still usually had someone present when they gave birth. Someone that could handle things if they passed out or could catch the infant, judge if their placenta came out completely.
I wouldn't use the term "creature comforts" to describe childbirth.

 

[hellokitty88]

Interesting scenario about umbilical cord snapping and IUGR... it can happen

https://community.babycenter.com/po...breaking-during-delivery-will-it-happen-again

 

[Seattle1]

Interesting scenario about umbilical cord snapping and IUGR... it can happen

https://community.babycenter.com/po...breaking-during-delivery-will-it-happen-again

@hellokitty88 --Thanks for this link! Until reading this, my thoughts were limited to lotus birth.

 

[MsJosie]

As she and her mom walked into the court house they both defiant looks on their faces. Then as she said sat at the defense table, no emotion, just a blank look.....nothing. She did not care about the baby girl.....not at all IMO

 

[Seattle1]

As she and her mom walked into the court house they both defiant looks on their faces. Then as she said sat at the defense table, no emotion, just a blank look.....nothing. She did not care about the baby girl.....not at all IMO

IMO, BSR's true colors were on global display today when her dad was on the witness stand, testifying for her benefit (i.e., character testimony pursuant to some rule re. the dead baby's representative).

Zombie look. No emotion whatsoever -- not even as dad's voice was cracking and people in the gallery were crying. That girl's not right.

MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

BBM
I don’t think I’ve seen this actual text posted anywhere yet, but I do recall this text being read out loud during court yesterday while watching the livestream.

IIRC, BSR said it was one of her teachers who announced her weight loss to the class and everyone clapped.

JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

First time posting .. hope I did this right.
I think Lynwood is BSR’s trainer. In a different text to her mother about her bossing it up on the treadmill she says “couldn’t get a pic because I was talking to Lynwood “
I agree with everyone who thinks it’s sick of her mom to be egging her on.

 

[Seattle1]

First time posting .. hope I did this right.
I think Lynwood is BSR’s trainer. In a different text to her mother about her bossing it up on the treadmill she says “couldn’t get a pic because I was talking to Lynwood “
I agree with everyone who thinks it’s sick of her mom to be egging her on.

Welcome to Websleuths @Cindizzi!

And thanks for reminding me of the text above, as I believe it's another incident where BSR lied to mom.

I don't think she sent a photo because she was most likely not bossing it on the treadmill as she alleged.

I recall that text was sent about 3:30ish pm on 5/5/17 -- just hours before prom, and when she was beginning to feel the discomfort of labor.

Nope -- don't think she was bossing the treadmill that afternoon.

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, Sept. 11th:
*Trial continues (Day 7) (@ 9am ET) - OH - A few hours old baby girl Annabelle “Baby Jane Doe” (May 7, 2017, Carlisle, baby found buried on July 14, 2017) - *Brooke 'Skylar' Richardson (18/now 20) arrested (8/4/17), charged & indicted (8/4/17) & arraigned (8/7/17) on multiple felony charges including aggravated murder (special felony,) involuntary manslaughter (1st degree felony), endangerment of child (3rd degree felony), tampering with evidence (3rd degree felony) was dismissed on 9/9/19, & gross abuse of corpse (5th degree felony); allegedly killing, burning & burying her newborn baby in backyard of her Carlisle home. Free on $50K bond. House arrest & is placed on a curfew from 9pm to 7am, GPS monitoring, random drug tests & unannounced home visits will continue & surrendered passport.
Trial began on Sept. 3, 2019 (to 9/13/19 on court site). Jury selection begins 9/3/19 with an initial jury pool of 70 people.
Trial information from 9/3/19 (Day 1) thru 9/5/19 (Day 3) reference post #684 here:
OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #1
9/6/19 Day 4: State witnesses: Dr. Susan Brown (forensic pathologist and the Montgomery County Coroner's Office). Dr. Krista Lathan (University of Ind. forensic anthropologist). Dr. William "Kim" Brady (fetal medical specialist). Trial continues on 9/9.
9/9/19 Day 5: State witnesses: Former Lt. John Faine. Second interrogation tape of Richardson on July 20, 2017 played for jurors. Brandon Saylor (was Skylar's boyfriend in Jan. 30, 2017). Warren Co. Sheriff Det. Christopher Wong (digital forensics). State rests their case. After hearing defense argument to dismiss charges the judge has dismissed count 4 - Tampering with Evidence. The charge dismissed carried a possible 9 month to 5 year sentence. Counts 1, 2, 3 and 5 have been denied. Trial continues on 9/10.
9/10/19 Day 6: Defense witnesses: Scott Richardson (Father of Skylar). Dr. John E. White (gynecologist). Trial continues on 9/11.


Anyone know the makeup of the jurors - men vs women? Alternates?? I haven't seen it posted anywhere....

TIA!

 

[Seattle1]

Wednesday, Sept. 11th:
*Trial continues (Day 7) (@ 9am ET) - OH - A few hours old baby girl Annabelle “Baby Jane Doe” (May 7, 2017, Carlisle, baby found buried on July 14, 2017) - *Brooke 'Skylar' Richardson (18/now 20) arrested (8/4/17), charged & indicted (8/4/17) & arraigned (8/7/17) on multiple felony charges including aggravated murder (special felony,) involuntary manslaughter (1st degree felony), endangerment of child (3rd degree felony), tampering with evidence (3rd degree felony) was dismissed on 9/9/19, & gross abuse of corpse (5th degree felony); allegedly killing, burning & burying her newborn baby in backyard of her Carlisle home. Free on $50K bond. House arrest & is placed on a curfew from 9pm to 7am, GPS monitoring, random drug tests & unannounced home visits will continue & surrendered passport.
Trial began on Sept. 3, 2019 (to 9/13/19 on court site). Jury selection begins 9/3/19 with an initial jury pool of 70 people.
Trial information from 9/3/19 (Day 1) thru 9/5/19 (Day 3) reference post #684 here:
OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #1
9/6/19 Day 4: State witnesses: Dr. Susan Brown (forensic pathologist and the Montgomery County Coroner's Office). Dr. Krista Lathan (University of Ind. forensic anthropologist). Dr. William "Kim" Brady (fetal medical specialist). Trial continues on 9/9.
9/9/19 Day 5: State witnesses: Former Lt. John Faine. Second interrogation tape of Richardson on July 20, 2017 played for jurors. Brandon Saylor (was Skylar's boyfriend in Jan. 30, 2017). Warren Co. Sheriff Det. Christopher Wong (digital forensics). State rests their case. After hearing defense argument to dismiss charges the judge has dismissed count 4 - Tampering with Evidence. The charge dismissed carried a possible 9 month to 5 year sentence. Counts 1, 2, 3 and 5 have been denied. Trial continues on 9/10.
9/10/19 Day 6: Defense witnesses: Scott Richardson (Father of Skylar). Dr. John E. White (gynecologist). Trial continues on 9/11.


Anyone know the makeup of the jurors - men vs women? Alternates?? I haven't seen it posted anywhere....
TIA!

7 women, 5 men on the jury.

Jury of seven women, five men seated in Brooke Skylar Richardson trial

 

[AllyBeeUK]

DBM

 

[Seattle1]

Just noticed Judge Donald Oda also responsible for BSR's sweetheart bail bond at only $50,000

Was bond too low for mom charged in baby murder?

Aug 8, 2017

Prosecutor David Fornshell requested Richardson, of Carlisle, be held on a $1 million bond, be placed on house arrest with a GPS tracker, and have no contact with children.

Richardson's attorney, Charles Rittger, argued that a $1 million bond was too high, and that Richardson had no financial means and strong ties to Butler and Warren counties.

"She has no means besides her parents...she was making $8 an hour," Rittger said during arraignment Monday. "She was born and raised in Butler/Warren county, both sets of parents (and grandparents) live in Butler/Warren county."

[...]

With that, Oda set Richardson's bond at $50,000.

"The sole purpose of bail is to assure your attendance at trial and to make sure that there are no imminent risks of serious physical harm to the community," Oda said in court Monday. "I do not believe that you pose an imminent threat to the public at large."

[...]

Richardson's bond amount, compared to other child death cases in the Tri-State, is relatively low.

In Warren County a little over one year ago, Robert and Anna Ritchie were both charged in the death of Robert's 4-year-old son Austin after he was scalded to death.

During arraignment, Robert was given a $250,000 bond. He was charged with involuntary manslaughter and endangering children.

Anna Ritchie was charged with two counts of murder among a 6-charge indictment. She was given a $350,000 bond .

In Hamilton County, Glen Bates and Andrea Bradley -- who were both convicted of aggravated murder in their 2-year-old daughter's death -- were denied bond. Hamilton County Coroner Lakshmi Kode Sammarco said the case was "one of the worst" cases of starvation and torture that she's ever seen.

Retired Hamilton County Judge Norbert Nadel said he thinks Richardson's bond was set too low.

"Let me put it in a diplomatic way: This is highly unusual," Nadel said.

Nadel has 40 years' experience and currently serves as Hamilton County recorder.

 

[Gardenista]

The doctor for the defense was awesome. IMO he really hurt the prosecution and the prosecutor's cross was an embarrassing disaster.

 

[altojack]

JMO but I think Kim has brought Skylar up to be "just like mum". Skylar has been taught to stay stick thin for cheering, she has been brought up to think the family are better than others.

I can visualise face to face convos at home between mother and daughter. If Skylar has done anything wrong IMO she's just done what mum would want and enable them to have a full and happy life. Well it didn't work out that way.

I'm not saying that Skylar is guilty at this point.

 

[stmarysmead]

Some thoughts this morning. I believe Skylar killed her baby. I think detectives and prosecutors believe it too. But the prosecution’s case was very thin. She should be acquitted on the murder, mansslaughter charges.

I find it very disturbing that the Prosecutor made as many volatile statements as he did when the story first broke. It certainly unleashed a torrent of hatred toward Skylar and family, and as sick and depraved as I think they all are, that is not how our justice system is supposed to work. The prosecution is not supposed to win because the prosecutor outraged the jury pool.

Brooke Skylar Richardson Stillborn Baby Murder Trial - Teen Charged With Killing Infant

“The “murdered" and "charred bones" details came from an August 4 press conference, called by Warren County Prosecutor David Fornshell. (The video has since been removed from his professional Facebook page.) Fornshell, who publicly identifies as "extraordinarily pro-life," announced that Skylar had been indicted for five felony charges: aggravated murder, involuntary manslaughter, child endangerment, tampering with evidence, and gross abuse of a corpse. He said he'd decided not to seek the death penalty, but the aggravated murder charge he's seeking could mean life in prison, as well as additional lengthy sentences for the other charges.

"Sometime during the night of May 6 to May 7, 2017, she did give birth to a newborn infant and that she caused the death of that infant," Fornshell says in the video. "To be frank with you, I'm not sure that we ever will be able to provide to you the exact medical cause of death, and the reason is because the child was after death burned and subsequently buried." He later adds that, because they couldn't determine a cause of death, he cannot not say with certainty that the baby was not burned alive. “

“Burned alive?”

The Prosecutor puts THAT into the public mindset!!!!

This article describes the leader of a FB group daily sitting outside their home taking pictures to post....along with a lot of other disturbing harassing behavior directed n the community toward the family. This is before any trial, any evidence was available.

I think Skylar killed her baby. I think she is a manipulative liar. But I don’t want to live in a world of vigilante justice. Sometimes a Casey Anthony walks away...but this social media, “say-anything” witch-hunt world we now live in...is frightening. Prosecutors who inflame the public prior to trial with statements they cannot prove should be punished.

Disbarred DA Mike Nifong...remember him?

Yes, I believe she killed that poor baby. No, they didn’t prove it. Much less that the baby was “burned alive.”

I appreciate that we have rules here...even when I end up n the wrong side of the Mods because of my passionate feelings.

 

[Jewels53]

I believe Skylar is guilty will she be found guilty I doubt it. I think Skylar has learned how to lie her way how of situations. She has learned this from dealing with her mother.

I also know from watching many trials that the defense doesn't have to put on a case. If they say Skylar isn't guilty and the state didn't prove their case in chief. I wouldn't think they would need to put on much of a case if any. I think the defense is doing an overkill. I guess it doesn't matter Skylars parents are footing the bill for their princess.

imo moo