GUILTY OH - Barbara Weaver, 30, murdered in her Apple Creek home, 2 June 2009

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merci said:
amish typically don't use life insurance, but there are exceptions to the rule. eli was one & it would not surprise me to learn that he had a policy on her.
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Yea i think for sure that something was up with them 2 either a love story or money.You talk as if you know them?do you live there local
 
Raber was formerly amish. her parents are amish preachers in sugarcreek. she used to taxi amish people & that is how she met eli. she has been his "so called" taxi driver for solo weekly fishing trips for a few years. It was common knowledge that eli was fooling around with her & other women as well.
I can't figure out why they killed barbara either. eli was having cake & eating it too & really didn't stand to gain that much with her death. it's not like the amish will pursue alimony & child support when a husbands decides to leave. knowing the amish like I do, it has me scratching my head.
 
I know the family. Knew Barbara as a little kid. I was raised amish but left 22 yr ago. I still have good relationships with many people in the area.
 
merci said:
I know the family. Knew Barbara as a little kid. I was raised amish but left 22 yr ago. I still have good relationships with many people in the area.
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So interesting.There is a Amish community in Kentucky that i have visited before to buy things in there store.After being there several times i was very intrigued by there life style.After the FDLS raid in Texas i met a girl on myspace and have become friends with her who did live about the same lifestyle as the Amish but ran when she was about 17.Thats why this case caught my eye.The Documentary called the OUTSIDERS was one of my favorites.Im wondering why she left the amish and if they both had plans on running.Im sure she is the one who took him fishing if she was his driver.
 
merci said:
I know the family. Knew Barbara as a little kid. I was raised amish but left 22 yr ago. I still have good relationships with many people in the area.
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Hello, Merci, and welcome to WS.

Having been raised Amish, can you add any insight to some of the questions we've raised? How prone are the Amish to suffer from the same issues that the English world deal with (like, infidelity, sexual abuse, teen pregnancy, domestic violence, etc.)? How would any of these issues be handled within the community? Many of us who live near Amish communities are just so flabbergasted that this would even occur. Are we just being naiive?

Thank you for your insight!
 
Blackwatch said:
Your observation about the internet use in libraries pointed something out to me. The Amish are not allowed to have most modern things, cars, computers, and usually, no electricity. However, even though they can't own these things, they can USE them. That has always seemed a bit hypocritcal to me. No offense intended, just an observation.
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when I work in sales for company, one of my customer was amish guy and he had a buiness for strollers and work with a hardware store in town, the person at hardware store would call in his order, the buiness name was under his name. if amish women wanting parts for their strollers they had a older women call in for the amish community, we always got the feeling it was a telphone from a pole. I was told once it was a community phone.
 
I'm sorry this murder happened, whether in an Amish community or not. Little children are without a mother and soon, most likely, to be without a father too. Although people are naive enough to think this doesn't happen in a supposedly peaceful, loving community like the Amish, it does, and probably always has; it was just hushed up the same as child abuse and murder in all segments of the population until roughly the late sixties.

I want to further say there is a lot of hypocricy in the Amish/Mennonite communities. I don't mean to be snarky or anything else, but I think we need a bit of truth. These communities pretend to do without modern conveniences, but they really don't, as we have seen. They do make use of cars (other peoples), and telephones (pay phones or other peoples'). I believe, and this is my opinion only, if you are going to be an old fashioned farming community, living like "God" intended, then live that way, and quit circumventing the rules. I see here the "letter of the law" instead of the "spirit".

End of observations. Sorry, don't mean to rant, but I spent 16 years living a back-to-earth lifestyle and saw the Amish and Mennonites move in. They used everything "Englishers" did but didn't pay the price like insurance, etc. I know I'm sounding a bit "odd" here, but I guess I believe if need you REALLY need to WALK the talk (the image you portray) and I don't think these Amish and Mennonite communities do so these days.

God, I even hate myself for saying that, but that is what I believe.
 
tfrohning said:
when I work in sales for company, one of my customer was amish guy and he had a buiness for strollers and work with a hardware store in town, the person at hardware store would call in his order, the buiness name was under his name. if amish women wanting parts for their strollers they had a older women call in for the amish community, we always got the feeling it was a telphone from a pole. I was told once it was a community phone.
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There are a lot of community phone shanties where I live (I've even seen a commercial Ohio Bell phone booth out in the middle of no where, on this quiet dirt road). A lot of the families "share" these phones, and some have answering machines in the shanty. They use them to call for a driver, receive messages, call the dr. to make appts, etc. So, you're right, they probably were calling from a centrally located phone.
 
Sheromom said:
This makes me so mad!!!! I do hope the community doesn't try to brainwash those poor kids into "forgiving" the father for killing their mother. I know they will likely continue to love him on some level, but forgiveness is an entirely different thing. And that woman; how could she do that to her own kids?! They were both ugly as sin itself and likely deserved each other but how sad that so many children will have such tragic lives for so long to come because of them.:behindbar
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Not that long ago an outsider man entered an Amish school and killed several young girls, injured others. It was on national news. (Sorry, I never remember names.) One of the elders did speak with the press, and one of the things he discussed was the Amish way of handling this. He said they understood that the laws were there and that the man would have to be handled through the law of the land. But he said that wasn't the Amish way. The Amish are taught they must forgive. And he said they would forgive that man and would be praying for his soul. And they invited the man's wife to come to their prayer services, and to the services for the children. And she went, they welcomed her into their homes and she talked about how she was treated so graciously.

So yes, the children will be expected to forgive their father. And they will still have to honor him, because the Bible says they should. If the father should come back to the community, speak to the church of his remorse and seem sincere about it, he would be given some type of discipline (shunning for a period of time maybe) then he would become a full member of the church again. At least this is my understanding of it. To them it is a very serious thing, and the discipline- while we don't see it as strong, they take very seriously.

I'm not ready to say that it isn't right, because it seems to work for them. I mean, we jail people and that doesn't seem to act as a deterrent. So if it works, then more power to them.
 
This crime is truly a tragedy and I cannot understand what people are thinking when they do something like this no matter what their religion is. The fact that eight children will now be without one or both of their parents is so horribly sad.

Just a little side note: There is a huge difference between being Amish and being Mennonite. I live by an Amish community (although not in Ohio) and happen to be Mennonite (converted after getting married, grew up Catholic.) I drive a car, have my own phone and internet, wear makeup, pay for numerous types of insurance, dance, enjoy a glass of wine or beer occasionally, live and look just like most of you (I assume.) I don't really know much about the Amish in my community other than the fact that I always seem to get behind a buggy or two when I am late for work and that there have been times when standing beside them that I wish I could convince them that wearing deoderant would not make them bad people. ;) I know that most of you know this and I don't mean for this to sound like I'm admonishing anyone, it's just always been a pet peeve of mine when I occasionally see the terms Amish and Mennonite being used like they are the same thing. Amish = Mennonite, but Mennonite does not = Amish.
 
oh_gal said:
Hello, Merci, and welcome to WS.

Having been raised Amish, can you add any insight to some of the questions we've raised? How prone are the Amish to suffer from the same issues that the English world deal with (like, infidelity, sexual abuse, teen pregnancy, domestic violence, etc.)? How would any of these issues be handled within the community? Many of us who live near Amish communities are just so flabbergasted that this would even occur. Are we just being naiive?

Thank you for your insight!
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amish people are just like any other groups, they vary in being extreme, devout, moderate and some get away with as much as possible w/o getting caught.

I don't remember hearing of sexual abuse while being amish, but have since heard a few instances of it. i would guess it's on par with regular society, but don't have stats to back that statement.
I do recall hearing of a few familys that supposedly had abusive husbands/fathers.

teenage pregancy is nothing new in amish society, but most do get married.

infidelity is not unheard of, but is not as prevalent as regular society & in my opinion, that is simply due to less opportunity. they structure their lives with minimal outside influence which is intended to protect the family & church.

discipline is dealt with in the church by reprimand, public confession & even shunning at times. don't worry though, they are not a sovereign nation & can't just reprimand & shun murders etc. local authorities will bring those guys to justice with the full support of the amish community.
They do require themselves to forgive, but they also support justice.

It is hard for me to wrap my head around this murder as well. In fact this is the first murder in wayne county in 7 years. There are a lot of non amish in wayne county also, so this is weird in every aspect.
 
SunnyDaze said:
This crime is truly a tragedy and I cannot understand what people are thinking when they do something like this no matter what their religion is. The fact that eight children will now be without one or both of their parents is so horribly sad.

Just a little side note: There is a huge difference between being Amish and being Mennonite. I live by an Amish community (although not in Ohio) and happen to be Mennonite (converted after getting married, grew up Catholic.) I drive a car, have my own phone and internet, wear makeup, pay for numerous types of insurance, dance, enjoy a glass of wine or beer occasionally, live and look just like most of you (I assume.) I don't really know much about the Amish in my community other than the fact that I always seem to get behind a buggy or two when I am late for work and that there have been times when standing beside them that I wish I could convince them that wearing deoderant would not make them bad people. ;) I know that most of you know this and I don't mean for this to sound like I'm admonishing anyone, it's just always been a pet peeve of mine when I occasionally see the terms Amish and Mennonite being used like they are the same thing. Amish = Mennonite, but Mennonite does not = Amish.
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I know that there are different types of Amish -- New Order, Old Order, Beachy, etc. Are there these same types of "levels" (sorry, couldn't think of a different word to use) in the Mennonite community as well?

I'm asking because where I live (in Ohio), maybe they're just very conservative. While they do drive cars, wear dresses made of print fabric (instead of solids), and some attend college or trade school, the women are very modest, don't wear makeup, wear a head covering, and enjoy a "helpmate" role in their marriage. The Mennonite women I've known have had such a beauty about them, and the most peaceful countenances I've ever seen, BUT...they do stand apart within our community, just as the Amish do.

My husband and I attended a Mennonite church for a time, and while I agree that Mennonites are not Amish and Amish are not Mennonites, I have known several Amish who have become Mennonite (and have known no Mennonites who have become Amish).

Believe it or not, New Zealanders and Austrailians have a similar pet peeve (my former sil is a teacher in NZ and married a kiwi) -- don't refer to New Zealanders as Austrailians, and vice versa. They find it very offensive (the NZ'ers do, not sure about the Austrailians). It's due in part to geography and possibly other issues, so not exactly like the Amish/Mennonite situation, but kind of similar. Sort of.
 
mysteriew said:
Not that long ago an outsider man entered an Amish school and killed several young girls, injured others. It was on national news. (Sorry, I never remember names.) One of the elders did speak with the press, and one of the things he discussed was the Amish way of handling this. He said they understood that the laws were there and that the man would have to be handled through the law of the land. But he said that wasn't the Amish way. The Amish are taught they must forgive. And he said they would forgive that man and would be praying for his soul. And they invited the man's wife to come to their prayer services, and to the services for the children. And she went, they welcomed her into their homes and she talked about how she was treated so graciously.

So yes, the children will be expected to forgive their father. And they will still have to honor him, because the Bible says they should. If the father should come back to the community, speak to the church of his remorse and seem sincere about it, he would be given some type of discipline (shunning for a period of time maybe) then he would become a full member of the church again. At least this is my understanding of it. To them it is a very serious thing, and the discipline- while we don't see it as strong, they take very seriously.

I'm not ready to say that it isn't right, because it seems to work for them. I mean, we jail people and that doesn't seem to act as a deterrent. So if it works, then more power to them.
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I do remember that situation and felt the Amish community was very gracious considering the circumstances. But I, too, felt very sorry for the man's wife and felt they were commendable in their actions. And I do believe it is possible to honor and respect a person's postion (whether parent, President, Senator, etc.) without necessarily respecting the person in that position. I guess I am just very worried about the children being made to hide their feelings instead of being able to work through them. I hope they will live with some of the mother's relatives and receive the support they need. LOL; I guess I just sit and worry about kids an awful lot!!!!
 
Sheromom said:
I do remember that situation and felt the Amish community was very gracious considering the circumstances. But I, too, felt very sorry for the man's wife and felt they were commendable in their actions. And I do believe it is possible to honor and respect a person's postion (whether parent, President, Senator, etc.) without necessarily respecting the person in that position. I guess I am just very worried about the children being made to hide their feelings instead of being able to work through them. I hope they will live with some of the mother's relatives and receive the support they need. LOL; I guess I just sit and worry about kids an awful lot!!!!
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I'm not really sure how grief is handled within the Amish community...I mean, I know they experience grief, but I don't know what the "limits" are to it (again, probably another bad word to use, but I couldn't think of better one. I think my brain is in reverse). Perhaps Merci could help us with this one?
 
crocus said:
EXCLUSIVE: Woman Says she had Relationship with Wayne County Murder Suspect

According to Mary, she met Weaver on an online chat site, he accessed through his cell phone.

She says Weaver had two separate accounts, calling himself "Amish Guy", and "Amish Stud."
http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-woman-talks-wayne-co-murder-txt,0,3835961.story

If this is true, wow. :eek:
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OMG!

So there is some internet sleuthing that can be done with the nics amish stud and amish guy.

He was already going thru a shunning for the cell phone use, etc...

While I am glad this woman came forward NOW.... where was she when the death threats first became known to her! Also... loved how she twirled a ring on her wedding band finger as she talked in the interview!
 
crocus said:
EXCLUSIVE: Woman Says she had Relationship with Wayne County Murder Suspect

According to Mary, she met Weaver on an online chat site, he accessed through his cell phone.

She says Weaver had two separate accounts, calling himself "Amish Guy", and "Amish Stud."
http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-woman-talks-wayne-co-murder-txt,0,3835961.story

If this is true, wow. :eek:
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Well, he couldn't have hated his wife that much....they DID have 5 children together.

As for the cell phone use, we see lots of Amish people at our local Alltel store. When I mentioned it to our sales person, he said, "Oh, they all have cell phones. As long as they have their own business (cleaning houses, being a nanny, roofing, carpentry, etc.) they can have a cell phone. They are allowed to use one, if it is for "business" purposes. "

It doesn't surprise me that he had a cell phone. I had no idea, though, that you could access online chats through them. (Now I sound like my mother!)

Amish guy....Amish stud....give me a break. He didn't look very studly to me in his mug shot.
 
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