OH OH - Brian Shaffer, 27, Columbus, 1 April 2006 - #3

[embufum]

Does anyone remember from the Ohio Dispatch article the point brought out that the Columbus PD wouldn’t release Brian’s police records to Don and Randy? I’ve just been curious what that was all about. As in, did Brian actually have a police record, as in was he ever arrested, or was that simply related to the police investigation of him being missing.

As far as I know Brian had no record.

 

[dotr]

Generally, everyday things a person might do are no big whoop unless it is believed to be one of the last things they did, prior to becoming a missing person.
imo.

 

[Satch]

Generally, everyday things a person might do are no big whoop unless it is believed to be one of the last things they did, prior to becoming a missing person.
imo.

Right,

If nothing had happened to Brian, than what George said makes sense because people have conversations with the opposite sex everyday. The problem is that these woman were among the last to see Brian Schaffer alive, and there are witness accounts that say that Brian was a womanizer, and Clint had questionable motives as well. When the person has never been seen again for twelve years, these are no longer "little things" All conversations are important.

Do we know for a fact that Clint did not attend Brian's Mother's or any memorials for Brian? I know Clint cooperated early on by passing out missing person's filers for Brian, than lawyered up, stopped helping, and moved away.

I agree with George that Brian is most likely dead in a ditch somewhere. However, there is no conclusive physical evidence that points to Brian being either dead or alive at this time. This makes the case even more fascinating, and yet sad, because we don't have closure for Brian.

Satch

 

[embufum]

I have and all I really see is some people saying "I heard from" that "x happened". That's not really evidence at all. As an attorney, I laugh at it.

The only true gossipy info that I've heard, which was from a cousin of his on a podcast, was he got a DUI. I never heard that before. He turned into a health freak then went back to partying. I've never heard any confirmation of cheating or anything significant with the two girls. Seems like a meaningless interaction. He probably talked to 20 different people that night.

Then as an attorney you should know that anything that is "said" on this site is hearsay. I'm not presenting evidence since this is not a trial or any kind of legal proceeding. You have mentioned a couple of times on here that you are an attorney. I am not sure why you find that relevant ent to state. It might be the wrong mindset to have when coming on a site like this.

 

[zencompass]

Generally, everyday things a person might do are no big whoop unless it is believed to be one of the last things they did, prior to becoming a missing person.
imo.

Dear dotr,

This is so true.

Your posts are so insightful and full of compassion and kindness. I always look forward to reading them.

Thank you.

 

[george14]

Then as an attorney you should know that anything that is "said" on this site is hearsay. I'm not presenting evidence since this is not a trial or any kind of legal proceeding. You have mentioned a couple of times on here that you are an attorney. I am not sure why you find that relevant ent to state. It might be the wrong mindset to have when coming on a site like this.

By hearsay, I mean rumor. Of course we are not in a court of law here.

From my knowledge of this case, I see a bunch of people saying "I heard this" which is not evidence. A family member saying he got a DUI is a bit different. Some schmuck on a message board clamoring how he was "flirting" with those girls is different. Like I said, if we have access to their interviews then please post it. I've tried searching the threads and I've just found some people claiming "they know" what was said "from sources".

The main reason I've stated I'm an attorney is because I've witnessed people on this board throw Clint under the bus for lawyering up and refusing a polygraph. That is not suspicious at all. No offense to anyone, but you have to be pretty naive to take a polygraph. There is simply no point in doing so. They are not admissible in court and guilty people beat them/innocent people have red flags on them.

The suspicious part about Clint is isolating the family. I believe he knows something, but not due to the polygraph garbage.

 

[embufum]

By hearsay, I mean rumor. Of course we are not in a court of law here.

From my knowledge of this case, I see a bunch of people saying "I heard this" which is not evidence. A family member saying he got a DUI is a bit different. Some schmuck on a message board clamoring how he was "flirting" with those girls is different. Like I said, if we have access to their interviews then please post it. I've tried searching the threads and I've just found some people claiming "they know" what was said "from sources".

The main reason I've stated I'm an attorney is because I've witnessed people on this board throw Clint under the bus for lawyering up and refusing a polygraph. That is not suspicious at all. No offense to anyone, but you have to be pretty naive to take a polygraph. There is simply no point in doing so. They are not admissible in court and guilty people beat them/innocent people have red flags on them.

The suspicious part about Clint is isolating the family. I believe he knows something, but not due to the polygraph garbage.

Glad you clarified that. Yes everything people type on here is rumor. Sometimes rumors are true sometimes they are false. I could tell you where I get my info from but that’s not proof of anything. I don’t come on here expecting “proof”. . In fact I don’t believe a word of what I read unless I verify it myself to my own level of what I believe is accurate. There are people on here that I take as more accurate than others buts that’s from my perspective only. One of the most common rebuttals to a post starts out with “how do we know”? Well the answer is we don’t know. A large majority of what we read in the paper and hear on the news is wrong. My suggestion to anyone here wanting truth would be research it for yourself and that’s if you find it important enough for you to find out the truth. I’ve spoke to the lead detective and the PI that was working with Randy. This certainly doesn’t mean I know more than anyone else and to be honest I could be lying. I personally got tired of hearing the same misinformation so I made some calls. I would suggest listing to the comeback pod cast. Kelly and Nick do an awesome job finding out new info.

 

[Satch]

Yes I don't think that Brian was too happy about Clint calling Meredith. I think Clint was just as much a womanizer as Brian but was jealous of Brian. Brian seemed to be able to talk to woman pretty easily. From what I heard Meredith had the hots for Brian but he was not interested. I also IMO don't think that Clint wasn't even the slightest bit upset about Brian being missing.

Clint is still a Red Herring to me in this case. That's for sure. I don't think he will ever talk about what he knows. Now my feeling is stronger than ever. He knows something. I agree that Clint was also a womanizer. The fact that he unfriended Brian. (was it My Space, Facebook, or both?) is bothersome, as is much of Clint's behavior. I believe that Woman Conflicts played a role in Brian's decision making that night, and the booze didn't help either.

Satch

 

[Gone Girl]

Clint is still a Red Herring to me in this case. That's for sure. I don't think he will ever talk about what he knows. Now my feeling is stronger than ever. He knows something. I agree that Clint was also a womanizer. The fact that he unfriended Brian. (was it My Space, Facebook, or both?) is bothersome, as is much of Clint's behavior. I believe that Woman Conflicts played a role in Brian's decision making that night, and the booze didn't help either.

Satch

I have scoured the internet and this thread for the origins of the “Brian was a womanizer” idea. Can someone please point me to the article or post that first explains this. Been following this case for years and only ever remember his girlfriend and family suggesting he was about to propose. Didn’t hear it on comeback either. Please help! TIA

 

[dotr]

I have scoured the internet and this thread for the origins of the “Brian was a womanizer” idea. Can someone please point me to the article or post that first explains this. Been following this case for years and only ever remember his girlfriend and family suggesting he was about to propose. Didn’t hear it on comeback either. Please help! TIA

Clint's comments may have been interpreted as suggestive that Brian was a flirt.
Tv show transcript..
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Into thin air
"The evening began about 9 p.m. Brian met up with his friend Clint Florence. The two were former roommates and drinking buddies. That Friday was supposed to be just another night out—as Clint told MSNBC’s Rita Cosby.

Clint Florence, Brian's roommate: Brian and I always went out. There’s nothing new. Sat down, opened a tab. And then you know had three, four, five shots of liquor."

"After Brian and Alexis spoke, Clint told the police that he and Brian walked to some more bars and downed some more shots and then, with a friend of Clint’s in tow, ended the night at the bar where they’d started. Surveillance tape shows them at 1:15 a.m. coming up the escalator to the bar. Brian was leaning on the handrail. Once inside, they ran into a couple of young women Clint knew.


Florence: Brian was doing his usual thing and was talking to those two girls.

At 1:55 a.m. Brian made his final appearance on the video. He was outside the bar chatting with the young women. Then he walked out of frame—and disappeared. Police say it appears he went back into the bar. Minutes later, Clint and his friend got ready to go.

Florence: It was closing time. 2:10, 2:00 and Brian was nowhere to be seen.

They told police they called Brian’s cell and got no answer, even checked the bathroom—but no luck, so they left without him. Saturday passed without a word from Brian."

 

[Gone Girl]

Clint's comments may have been interpreted as suggestive that Brian was a flirt.
Tv show transcript..
Highlighted bm.
Into thin air
"The evening began about 9 p.m. Brian met up with his friend Clint Florence. The two were former roommates and drinking buddies. That Friday was supposed to be just another night out—as Clint told MSNBC’s Rita Cosby.

Clint Florence, Brian's roommate: Brian and I always went out. There’s nothing new. Sat down, opened a tab. And then you know had three, four, five shots of liquor."

"After Brian and Alexis spoke, Clint told the police that he and Brian walked to some more bars and downed some more shots and then, with a friend of Clint’s in tow, ended the night at the bar where they’d started. Surveillance tape shows them at 1:15 a.m. coming up the escalator to the bar. Brian was leaning on the handrail. Once inside, they ran into a couple of young women Clint knew.


Florence: Brian was doing his usual thing and was talking to those two girls.

At 1:55 a.m. Brian made his final appearance on the video. He was outside the bar chatting with the young women. Then he walked out of frame—and disappeared. Police say it appears he went back into the bar. Minutes later, Clint and his friend got ready to go.

Florence: It was closing time. 2:10, 2:00 and Brian was nowhere to be seen.

They told police they called Brian’s cell and got no answer, even checked the bathroom—but no luck, so they left without him. Saturday passed without a word from Brian."

Thank you so much dotr!!! Wow!! If that is what constitutes womanizing then people will have a lot to say about me talking to men if I go missing!!! I better get myself microchipped to avoid any time for speculation. Jeez...

 

[dotr]

Thank you so much dotr!!! Wow!! If that is what constitutes womanizing then people will have a lot to say about me talking to men if I go missing!!! I better get myself microchipped to avoid any time for speculation. Jeez...

There may be other references that BS was a " womanizer ", that is just the one that came to mind just now.
In an interview ( will try and locate source ) AW describes Brian's virtues including that he is " faithful". That stuck me as a little bit of an odd thing to even bother to mention, made me wonder if she was addressing something that someone had said about Brian.
imo, speculation.

 

[embufum]

Thank you so much dotr!!! Wow!! If that is what constitutes womanizing then people will have a lot to say about me talking to men if I go missing!!! I better get myself microchipped to avoid any time for speculation. Jeez...

I personally don't like the term womanizer. I think the only reason that it's relevant is to show that Brian may not have been as serious about Alexis than people have thought. I'm not saying that he didn't love her. Telling her that she should find someone else, sleeping with an ex while dating Alexis and telling his father the night he went missing that he wasn't sure about getting married IMO shows he wasn't that serious. Maybe he didn't know how to let her down easy. Maybe he didn't want to hurt her. Maybe that's one of the many reasons he ran away?

 

[embufum]

There may be other references that BS was a " womanizer ", that is just the one that came to mind just now.
In an interview ( will try and locate source ) AW describes Brian's virtues including that he is " faithful". That stuck me as a little bit of an odd thing to even bother to mention, made me wonder if she was addressing something that someone had said about Brian.
imo, speculation.

I too found it odd. She did and still does IMO think he ran off. In the interview she talked as if being very careful to mention how great he was just in case he was listening. Her posts on Myspace were the same. Her first post on Myspace was this:

"4/3/2006 10:18 PM

I love you so much and I just want you to come home."

I think she posted 4 times. This was her past post on his page

"4/8/2006 8:28 AM

To anyone who views this page, we still have not found Brian. It's now been over a week. Please, keep praying keep Brian in your thoughts. And Brian, when you log onto this page yourself, please know how much you are loved and how much we need you to come home. I love you so much."

Now this is not proof that she knows he is alive and she of course could be her just hoping that he reads these messages, but putting all of this together and seeing her on tape I see IMO someone who thinks her man may have left her for reasons that she may not want to disclose.


In her 10 year interview she was even more convincing that she thinks he ran away. Here is a bit of what she says regarding Brian possibly running away.

" I feel like I’m so distant from it anymore that um that I don’t, I don’t have you know that I used to have this this feeling like he you know when it first happened like how could somebody leave and how could he do that to me and obviously that’s impossible and so something horrible must've happened but now with a lot of distance and a lot of time and now I, I mean I, I, I probably have less, (stutters) it feels like it happened to somebody else now. "

She IMO is just about to finally say that she thinks he ran away but hesitates and is very careful on how she is choosing her words. She even seems to hesitate saying his name in the beginning. Just an odd interview IMO.

 

[Ozoner]

I too found it odd. She did and still does IMO think he ran off. In the interview she talked as if being very careful to mention how great he was just in case he was listening. Her posts on Myspace were the same. Her first post on Myspace was this:

"4/3/2006 10:18 PM

I love you so much and I just want you to come home."

I think she posted 4 times. This was her past post on his page

"4/8/2006 8:28 AM

To anyone who views this page, we still have not found Brian. It's now been over a week. Please, keep praying keep Brian in your thoughts. And Brian, when you log onto this page yourself, please know how much you are loved and how much we need you to come home. I love you so much."

Now this is not proof that she knows he is alive and she of course could be her just hoping that he reads these messages, but putting all of this together and seeing her on tape I see IMO someone who thinks her man may have left her for reasons that she may not want to disclose.


In her 10 year interview she was even more convincing that she thinks he ran away. Here is a bit of what she says regarding Brian possibly running away.

" I feel like I’m so distant from it anymore that um that I don’t, I don’t have you know that I used to have this this feeling like he you know when it first happened like how could somebody leave and how could he do that to me and obviously that’s impossible and so something horrible must've happened but now with a lot of distance and a lot of time and now I, I mean I, I, I probably have less, (stutters) it feels like it happened to somebody else now. "

She IMO is just about to finally say that she thinks he ran away but hesitates and is very careful on how she is choosing her words. She even seems to hesitate saying his name in the beginning. Just an odd interview IMO.

It sounds to me like she has no idea what happened to Brian. It also seems like she feels awkward talking about the issue (probably because she has moved on).

Allowing for the possibility that Brian ran away is not the same as believing that that's what happened.

 

[Gone Girl]

I personally don't like the term womanizer. I think the only reason that it's relevant is to show that Brian may not have been as serious about Alexis than people have thought. I'm not saying that he didn't love her. Telling her that she should find someone else, sleeping with an ex while dating Alexis and telling his father the night he went missing that he wasn't sure about getting married IMO shows he wasn't that serious. Maybe he didn't know how to let her down easy. Maybe he didn't want to hurt her. Maybe that's one of the many reasons he ran away?

Embufum- I think you are absolutely right that it is very relevant to his state of mind. I just didn’t think him chatting up girls in a college bar was enough to label him womanizer. BUT... I did not know he slept with ex while with Alexis!! I also must have misread your prior post about his dinner with his dad!! I thought you had said he told the dad he WAS sure about marrying her. Now this all taken in totality sure makes it sound like he was a guy looking for a way out of a committed relationship.

So while Brian may not have been a womanizer, I don’t think he felt ready for marriage. Had I known this in 2006, I may have been inclined to believe he ran away, especially with his mom passing and potential conflict with Dad per Comeback podcast. However, after this much time, it’s hard for me to believe this wasn’t foul play.

Thank you for your many insights into this case. This case is truly haunting.

 

[CARIIS]

Thank you so much dotr!!! Wow!! If that is what constitutes womanizing then people will have a lot to say about me talking to men if I go missing!!! I better get myself microchipped to avoid any time for speculation. Jeez...

i had the same feeling when reading the article that is what males do in bars!!!

 

[itsrak]

Ya know, if I'm a relative of Brian Shaffer, such as his uncle or his brother Derek, I'd be very interested in finding Brian's remains. To bring closure obviously, but also for another reason. There is only one place that could be searched with any real chance of uncovering Brian's remains - the building where Brian was last seen. Which building housed the Ugly Tuna Saloona and which also circa 4/2006 housed a dangerous and 'completely dug up' construction site that the lead detective on the case suggests Brian entered. Which building was apparently then and is to this day (per county records) owned by The Ohio State University. If Brian's remains are discovered to have been located on or under that property, there'll be a a lawsuit and a *big* payday. It'd only be just, in this scenario, that any negligent parties should pay, dearly.

If I'm The Ohio State University, I don't want any such search to happen.

 

[embufum]

Ya know, if I'm a relative of Brian Shaffer, such as his uncle or his brother Derek, I'd be very interested in finding Brian's remains. To bring closure obviously, but also for another reason. There is only one place that could be searched with any real chance of uncovering Brian's remains - the building where Brian was last seen. Which building housed the Ugly Tuna Saloona and which also circa 4/2006 housed a dangerous and 'completely dug up' construction site that the lead detective on the case suggests Brian entered. Which building was apparently then and is to this day (per county records) owned by The Ohio State University. If Brian's remains are discovered to have been located on or under that property, there'll be a a lawsuit and a *big* payday. It'd only be just, in this scenario, that any negligent parties should pay, dearly.

If I'm The Ohio State University, I don't want any such search to happen.

Why would there be a big payday? Assuming he is there someone would have to prove negligence. This would be very hard to do. A drunk man stumbles into a restricted area would be classified as an accident. OSU would not be responsible anyway, it would be the construction company. Given that the building was searched thoroughly according to police it will most likely never be searched again.

 

[embufum]

Here's what I would like to know. Why hasn't Brian been declared dead? His brother thinks he is and could easily have it done. That way he could have a proper burial. I would also like to know if there were any insurance policies out for Brian. I wonder if he was covered by the school in some way too?