GUILTY OH - Elaina Steinfurth, 17 months, Toledo, 2 Jun 2013 - #3

[GGE]

Three minutes till Jane Velez-Mitchell on HLN, followed by Nancy Grace an hour later. Both are doing Elaina tonight. (Again!)

 

[Solitaryone]

HLN is doing several-minute long teasers per hour today about Elaina in order to tell people to tune in tonight at 8pm eastern. Every time I see one, my heart stops for a second for whatever reason. It's almost like seeing my own child on tv, almost... this case is dominating my every moment. Can't even begin to imagine what it's like for TJ and Kylee. Doubling up on the prayers from here on out until she's found.

Yes! I know what you mean, this case, baby Elaina is all I can think about. I'm so frustrated that she has not been found! Where is she? I still believe she's not far. I'm grateful NG is keeping her word and staying on this, and JVM is also covering this. Baby Elaina is like our own baby. I really pray hard that she'll be found soon, that the truth comes out and all involved are held accountable.

Thank's GGE for the timeline and transcriptions!

Praying baby Elaina is found today.

 

[GGE]

Transcribing roughly:

Good evening, I"m JVM coming to you live and you will not believe what hte man who took this video is saying now.

(Missed the beginning statements leading into the show)

(now showing clips and reading headlines, more intro stuff basically)

 

[fredlefebvre]

Just finished taping NG. Mystery man Frank was on along with TJ, Terry Sr, and Richard Schiewe. The last three were in the same studio. NG mistakenly claims it's the first time since June 2 that they've been together. They were in the same room last Thursday for the presser I attended. Frank has some interesting things to say as does a co-worker of Angela's who claims she worked with her at least twice since the baby disappeared.

 

[Solitaryone]

Attempted updated timeline. All info from Ferretmommy, the police report, and MSM links already posted here in this thread or older incarnations of it.
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Timeline:

Saturday June 1 - 6:38pm - Angela and Elaina are captured on surveillance video at "Frank"'s house, located near Raymer (approx. 11 blocks from 704 Federal, where Elaina went missing. "Frank"'s house is not RS's house, according to Ferretmommy, thought it seems to be very nearby.)

Saturday, June 1 - (unknown time) - Angela asks JK if she can spend the night there, JK agrees because the kids are "cold and wet" and Angela says they have no place else to go. (NOTE - the kids were dry in the video. Well, the kid. Only Elaina was with her at that time. Where was Kylee?)

Saturday, June 1 - night (unknown time) - Elaina and Kylee are put down to sleep together on the living room floor of the King residence (which we later found was strewn with dog feces, raw sewage, and clothing in the first floor living area, which I presume includes the living room, but that's neither here nor there, just simply repulsive)

Sunday, June 2- morning (unknown time) - Angela wakes to find Elaina injured, according to the police report

Sunday, June 2- unknown time - Angela tells "Frank" about waking to find Elaina's injuries, according to "Frank"

Sunday, June 2- around 1pm - According to the police report, this is when Angela said she last saw Elaina, when she put her down for a nap. Family had previously stated that this was around 1:30pm - time is approximate.

Sunday, June 2- just after 1pm - Angela told police that she SK then went to the Family Dollar and, when they returned ( PRIOR to 2pm, TIME UNSPECIFIED), the door to the bedroom where Elaina had been sleeping was still closed so she did not go in to check on her.

Sunday afternoon, June 2- approximately 2:00 pm - Already having gone to RS' house to get the girls and then having found out that Angela never stayed there the night before despite promising that was where she would be TJ goes over to the King residence to ask for the girls (arriving there around 2pm).

Angela sends out Kylee, and TJ puts her in the car seat. He turns back around and sees Angela sitting back down on the porch next to SK, smoking a cigarette. He requests she get Elaina again and she refuses, stating Elaina has just been put down for a nap and she doensn't want to wake her.

Upon being pressed to bring him Elaina as well as Kylee, SK rips off his shirt and tries to fight TJ, so TJ puts Kylee in the car and goes to get Terry Sr. to be a go-between.

Sunday, June 2- around 2:30pm - According to the police report, they arrive back at the King residence around 2:30pm. When they arrive back, SK tries to fight Terry Sr. as well. SK's mother, JK, tells him to go inside because they're trying to talk "like adults".
Angela finally agrees to go inside to get Elaina.

Angela goes inside and is in there for 5-10 minutes . (or, until approx. 2:35-2:40)

Steven's mom goes inside to see what's taking her so long.

Angela begins to scream and cry, telling Steven's mother that if she gives her baby to "him" she'll never get to see her again, and spends a good 15-20 minutes carrying on to Steven/Steven's mom (JK) about this fact. She is heard outside by Terry Sr. and others. (until approx 2:50 - 3:00)

Then it gets quiet, and Angela comes out saying the baby is missing. She sits back down on the porch as TJ and Terry Sr. call 911.

According to a police report, SK is thought to have left through the back door during this time without anyone knowing, allegedly to look for Elaina.

According to JK, she and Steven went together out the back door to search the pool and garage. ("Julie says when Angela announced the baby was gone, she and her son, Steven, immediately went out the back door to begin looking in the pool, the garage, and nearby." - http://www.fox19.com/story/22481101/day-3-and-still-no-sign-of-missing-toddler )

Sunday, June 2- around 3 p.m. - police arrive and begin interviewing witnesses and searching the neighborhood, according to the police report. During this time police and RS search for the maroon van as well but cannot find it, according to RS.


Steven King returns around 4:30 p.m., according to the police report. NOTE - According to Ferretmommy, he was found one street over, on Prentice. A short time after he turned back up, he was seen a few houses away on the front porch, vomiting.

Monday, June 3- 2:30am - maroon van re-appears in alleyway according to RS.
(*NOTE - every scrap of known information about "Mike" has been supplied by RS. Nobody else has ever mentioned this person in any way, shape, or form that I can find.)

Monday, June 3- unknown later time - Angela goes to her new job's orientation as LE and the community search for her missing baby (NOTE - RS told Nancy Grace on June 17 that Angela did NOT attend this orientation, but according to Ferretmommy and another poster, she DID attend this orientation.)

Wednesday, June 12 - Angela is interviewed by LE (not for the first time), resulting in her arrest as well as the search and towing of the maroon van and the search of 660 Federal and 2 to 3 other homes around it

Thank you.

 

[GGE]

She's paraphrasing the timeline, but not as detailed, talking REALLY FAST.

"and now Angela's friend is spilling some sickening secrets" (Frank)..

she told me about the baby having a black eye, a bump on the had, and just a LITTLE bit of dried blood around the nostril... (same quote as several pages back, the only Frank quote we have)..
the one ending with "boyfriend overlooked the child and said she was gonna be just fine"

Call me , 1-877- CALL JVM - straight out to Angie Gonzales with WNWO, Angie you're breaking this news (Re: Frank's statement)

Frank inadvertently became part of this story and doesn't want to give his last name.. says he was a friend with both TJ and Angela when they lived next door to him for about 8 months back in 2012.

He also says while Angela did disclose to him that the baby did sustain these injuries the morning she went missing, she didn't know how the baby got them.

In the time they lived next door to one another he never saw either parent hit either child.

 

[Isabelle]

I have just started following this and Elaina's mother sounds like she is aspiring to be another Casey Anthony!

 

[GGE]

Replaying RS's interview from Nancy Grace last night, where he says that Angela called him and said she knows what happened to the baby but doesn't know where she is.

Now a new guest Sgt Joe Heffernan, Toledo PD - we did have enough probable cause as you know for an arrest because we knew the child had indeed been injured ... JVM interrupts - if she's behind bars and she's saying I know who did this... isn't there a way to get her to talk? And I also want to talk to you about her boyfriend Steven King, not the author, has he been interviewed? What's he .. to you?

Well he's a very important person to this case, we've been able to talk to him every time we've tried to talk to him, he's made no effort to hide from us, he's been available to us every time we have wanted to talk so that has not been an issue.

 

[seattlechiquita]

For those like me without cable, HLN: http://www.livenewschat.tv/twoon/

Hope this is ok to post, if not, can a mod plz remove?

 

[GGE]

...that he was in a van with this child, the four year old girl, and Angela's mother so I understand the van has been searched by cadaver dogs and I want to ask you have you talked to the 4 year old girl? (missed the start of this question)

Yes we had specialists come in and talk to her and not just her but also the other kids that were in and around the area at that time.

Did you get any helpful info?

Can't tell you, can't compromise the investigation.

Guest Mary Schiewe sister to Angela... we saw surveillance of Angela the day before she disappeared and she's cradling the child, and now we hear these reports from Frank about her having a black eye and crusted blood in her nostril and she didn't take her to the hospital because her BF or ex BF said shes gonna be ok, so let me ask you about Angela and her mothering skills, is she a sensitive mom or is she a little bit tough with the girls?

Mary : (garble)

ok Mary, I think we have to get you off speaker or whatever you're on, give producers a second to get audio straight and we'll come right back to it.

Wendy, (diff guest) - answering question I missed - She's under LEs thumb at this point which means they can squeeze her, see what she knows, I think it's right we're not getting all the details right now... I think it's great that she knows who took this child, I believe that, because so many of these cases we discover over the years children disappear in the middle of the night..." (missed the rest)

JVM is talking SO fast...says got new background info on Angela we'll hear after the break.

Showing older clip of TJ talking saying he's not gonna blame her for anything but Elaina was under her care when this happened and PD will handle it how they feel they need to, going to break.

 

[floridamomma]

thanks forshow updates! I'm on the couch with back issues and don't have cable

 

[Isabelle]

intrauterine growth restriction, i think? I've heard of it.

Correct term, if I am remembering correctly is Intrauterine Growth Retardation and is not related to the size of the uterus. It may occur for no known reason, but most often because there is a lack of blood flow and nutrients to the baby. This is often seen in the case of drug abuse and other medical conditions. It is often abbreviated: IUGR. I'm digging deep, its been about 20 years since I was an NICU nurse. Thanks.

 

[Tonya421]

AS told half-sister that she didn't have to answer to anybody


Oh he!l no!

 

[seattlechiquita]

AS told half-sister that she didn't have to answer to anybody


Oh hell no!

Niiiice... could she be any colder?

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

:tyou: so much again for your transcribing, GGE!

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

AS told half-sister that she didn't have to answer to anybody


Oh he!l no!

:censored:

 

[seattlechiquita]

These women really baffle me. what on earth prevents them from telling the truth to begin with? When there is more chance of -when possible- finding a missing child instead of waiting until the police pries it out of your lying mouth? This is your child, girlfriend --- get it together.

 

[GGE]

Showing clips of RS saying she shouldn't have been in that house, she doesn't know where she is but she knew what happened to the baby.

Going back to Mary Schiewe, half sister to Angela. Mary you just heard your half sister's step father say Angela knows what happened to her little girl but is afraid to say what happened so my question to you is what did she tell you about what happened? She told me that she was done talking but she don't have to answer to nobody. I overheard her telling someone that Elaina had a black eye, blood in her nose, and a bump on her head. I asked how she got it. She said she don't know. I asked her why she didn't take her to the hospital, she said I don't know.

When she said she doesn't know why she didnt' take her to the hospital, what did you say?

I told her that you take that baby to the hospital when you see that, you get her to a doctor.

What was her reaction?

She didn't really have any reaction. I don't understand why she didn't just open up on the fist day to begin with, threatened or not threatened.

She told my Dad on the phone that she would be next, whatever that meant.

So who would be threatening her?

Um Steven and one of his friends, I don't know if it was one of his friends or a relative, but from what I hear it was someone what was with him.

I have Sgt. Joe from law enforcement on the line with us too, let me ask him, ...(missed a few words here)... and he's not considered a suspect right now..
(Joe interrupts - )All I have to say about that is that if it was my child, threatened or not, if my child is injured I'm going to get it medical attention. I think this is a red herring, this "I was threatened".

ok thanks for clarifying that, Sgt. Joe, now I want to ask you Mary, have you ever seen her be rough with the kids?

Um she's always been a strict person on my older niece Kylee, Elaina's always been a Mommy's girl, I just don't understand, I just don't know why this would've happened.

If she'd come to your house would you have taken her in? Could she have stayed with you? Because reports are that she had nowhere to stay and that's why she was at her boyfriend's house.

No, she was SUPPOSED to stay at my house, she chose not to.

Why?

I have no idea, she had asked my dad if they could stay the night and we told her yes and she texted him later and told him that i'm sorry but she was going back to steven's house because he was the only one that could help her through this

help her through what?

I don't know. That was her last text.

 

[Ferretmommy]

I can only assume that the boyfriend is some type of medical professional...yes?

As always I will qualify this by saying I'm neither a parent nor a medical professional, and I tend to catastrophize a but, but if my baby mysteriously developed signs of bruising and bleeding overnight I would freak the heck out and assume either somebody in the house had injured her and lied about it, or she was showing symptoms of some serious medical condition.

NO-HE IS NOT A MEDICAL ANYTHING!!! He isn't even holding a job currently to my knowledge!

 

[floridamomma]

Correct term, if I am remembering correctly is Intrauterine Growth Retardation and is not related to the size of the uterus. It may occur for no known reason, but most often because there is a lack of blood flow and nutrients to the baby. This is often seen in the case of drug abuse and other medical conditions. It is often abbreviated: IUGR. I'm digging deep, its been about 20 years since I was an NICU nurse. Thanks.

they no longer use the term "retardation".
pure speculation, if she has a limited educational bsckground, she might have the understanding that her womb is small?