GUILTY OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #86

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"The law requires you to consider Jake and Angela's testimony with grave suspicion ... there's no proof here beyond a reasonable doubt." "His mother wouldn't even look at him.”

Parker asks jury if they believe George was there, that they remember he had no intent to kill and that he only went along to protect Jake from his father.

"I ask you to return a verdict of not guilty all charges, George wasn’t even up there, there’s nothing even credible here to say otherwise ... George didn’t do this, he is different than Jake he is different than Angela." Parker finishes by pounding on the podium.

Wilson on the rebuttal: Says Parker destroyed his case. You can't have it both ways - either George was there or he wasn't. If you have two defenses, means you have no credible defense.

Wilson: He is guilty of aggravated murder ... lists all the victims' names. Then says "you better believe that he is up to his eyeballs in this with his family”

Says Jake had his chance to throw his brother under the bus by saying he pulled trigger on SKS. But he didn't. Wilson says that doesn't matter - he can still be guilty of aggravated murder in Ohio.

If you aid assist or abet - you are guilty. Wilson brings up buying the phone jammer from China - fraud detection called George and he authorized it.

Wilson: That alone shows you he aided and abetted. Walking through all the other things he allegedly did to prepare including false bed.

Calls the impromptu plan to use Chris Sr's truck and have two vehicles was "brilliant" and makes perfect sense.

After Montana interview if you are innocent "You better believe when you get out to the car, you would say 'what the hell was that?' Mom how in the world are shell casings from the murder weapon on our property?"

Run though list of 20 things that you can't do if you're really innocent that they think George did. "And that's not a cumuluative list." "It shows you have accepted that group intent.”

Wilson suggests they pull out complicity instructions and apply to each charge and each count even though it's written as if he's principal offender. If they find he's complicit by aiding and abetting, he's guilty.

Shows picture of Wagner family after the murders - Wilson says those kids were "going to be raised Wagners" referring to Jake and George's daughter and son. They stole George's son wiped out an entire family to get Jake's daughter

Says the allegations of sexual abuse of Jake's daughter "wasn't true ... it was their playbook" - common planner's theme under the law. Accused previous people of abuse "to push them out”

But Hanna was stronger than the other women - had a strong support system and family - gestures to the Rhoden family in the gallery.

Wilson: Make no mistake, their desire to raise (*advertiser censored*) 100 percent as Wagners was the motive in this case.

Says if you peel back the case another layer - this is about control and power. The playbook is the same all the time. "The Wagners need to control these children, these grandchildren, need to be raised. That's a group think.”

Wilson: "Who's running the show? It's him" pointing to George. Also says he manipulated his son at Montana border. "No way he's sitting on the sidelines"

Wilson says they waited to put Jake on stand to show you depth and complexity of the investigation before Jake pleaded guilty.

Nash and Parker are all over the map with GW4's defense. It's more like trying to put out evidence fires, without success. He's there, he's not there. He's home, he's in the car.

I like Wilson's reference to their attacks and false accusations as their "playbook". Good description for the plan they used every time to bully, torment and intimidate the "brood mares" they recruited to give up their children to be raised by this crazy family.
 
You say this:

"GW had no idea before, during or after the murders." You actually believe this?

The prosecution proved beyond any reasonable doubt that George knew about the family's murder plans. He was running the family, you can hear it on the tapes of him.

It is way beyond a reasonable doubt, there is no doubt at all, that George knew about his mom and dad and brother planning murder.

It has no basis in fact that the murders were the one time George didn't vote with his family, wasn't told anything, did not overhear anything, did not notice anything.

George:

"I would take your daughter away from you and your wife."

"The family has spoken."

"I have to break the cold hard truth to my son, Angela is not his mother."

"If they have the gun they have the silencer."

"Don't come over here, we have company" meaning BCI was at Peterson Rd.

"Your always getting us into trouble over some woman."

"If we are arrested......."

For starters.......
^^^THIS THIS THIS^^^
 
Been gone too long and not all caught up yet. I did watch yesterday's closing from AC and just now caught Clark Kent. Have I missed any photos from the crime scenes, please? Not enough time or energy to go through all the posts that I've missed. Thanks for any help!
Only AC's must show of FR dead in his bed. I could've gone without that. We all know this is not a conspiracy case. That was a whole other trial.
 
Wilson must have heard me all those times I said no way Billy shows up to a drug meeting wearing those Walmart shoes.

Glad he addressed the Montana interview not being played because George couldn't be cross examined. Then he's on the stand and can be cross examined and asked about it and he didn't deny any of the statements, even admitted to saying them.

Also, the why they didn't build the truck thing before trial. Because the defense was asking questions about George's size to every witness, BUT when they presented the truck modified, they didn't ask about George's size anymore.

So much of this we have said over and over and many said otherwise. These are the reason that the state did what they did.
 
Been gone too long and not all caught up yet. I did watch yesterday's closing from AC and just now caught Clark Kent. Have I missed any photos from the crime scenes, please? Not enough time or energy to go through all the posts that I've missed. Thanks for any help!

There was at least a couple, if I recall, the recliner at CR's, maybe the door to the loft ....
 
Wilson just turned those statements back on them. ...they had the camera on Parker as AW talked about Angela's motives.

Edit: Jake et al helped G4 with his child custody, G4 helped JW with his.

That all of them helped in the plan to keep Tabby away from her son, giving George complete control of him, is one more motive for George to go along with helping Jake keep HR away from her daughter - giving Jake complete control of her.

As Betty pointed out, another reason for George to support HR's murder was her support of Tabby wanting more access to her son. Hanna could be supportive of Tabby getting custody etc....Hanna could "gang up"
with Tabby, "compare notes" etc....Facebook hacking showed they communicated.

Also, George bought into the lies about Elizabeth, that she could not be trusted around the children, thus, he didn't trust his niece being around any men in Hanna's life. George was paranoid about SA. George said to protect S, he would take her away from Jake and Elizabeth.

Point is, we have been saying for years that George had "no skin in the game" no reason to involve himself in Jake's custody issues. But George did have some of his own personal reasons for wanting Jake to get what he had, full custody.

George and his family were right in the middle of a plot to keep Tabby away from her son long enough for George to claim she had abandoned him.

All my opinion.

And I think George liked the idea of raising the 2 children together. It was a benefit to George for his son to have a child his own age to play with, to be home schooled with, etc....

The Wagners committed crimes together, did everything together, even ran errands together and this includes planning murder together.
 
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Starting second thread for Wagner murder trial. Defense almost done with defense closings - then Andy Wilson will handle final rebuttal for prosecution.

Parker: Few final points. Angela testified Billy told her to buy two pairs of shoes. It was Billy and Jake who planned it. Pointing out inconsistencies in Jake and Angela's testimony

Parker says state has introduced "distractions" - is it possible Jake wore two left shoes? George got nothing for his testimony - compare that to George and Angela.

Says guys in Alaska would hire him now even with everything going on. That's got to count for something

Compare these guns and gun culture like a $20 or $50 bill - they used them like currency.

"The law requires you to consider Jake and Angela's testimony with grave suspicion ... there's no proof here beyond a reasonable doubt." "His mother wouldn't even look at him.”

Parker asks jury if they believe George was there, that they remember he had no intent to kill and that he only went along to protect Jake from his father.

"I ask you to return a verdict of not guilty all charges, George wasn’t even up there, there’s nothing even credible here to say otherwise ... George didn’t do this, he is different than Jake he is different than Angela." Parker finishes by pounding on the podium.

Wilson on the rebuttal: Says Parker destroyed his case. You can't have it both ways - either George was there or he wasn't. If you have two defenses, means you have no credible defense.

Wilson: He is guilty of aggravated murder ... lists all the victims' names. Then says "you better believe that he is up to his eyeballs in this with his family”

Says Jake had his chance to throw his brother under the bus by saying he pulled trigger on SKS. But he didn't. Wilson says that doesn't matter - he can still be guilty of aggravated murder in Ohio.

If you aid assist or abet - you are guilty. Wilson brings up buying the phone jammer from China - fraud detection called George and he authorized it.

Wilson: That alone shows you he aided and abetted. Walking through all the other things he allegedly did to prepare including false bed.

Calls the impromptu plan to use Chris Sr's truck and have two vehicles was "brilliant" and makes perfect sense.

After Montana interview if you are innocent "You better believe when you get out to the car, you would say 'what the hell was that?' Mom how in the world are shell casings from the murder weapon on our property?"

Run though list of 20 things that you can't do if you're really innocent that they think George did. "And that's not a cumuluative list." "It shows you have accepted that group intent.”

Wilson suggests they pull out complicity instructions and apply to each charge and each count even though it's written as if he's principal offender. If they find he's complicit by aiding and abetting, he's guilty.

Shows picture of Wagner family after the murders - Wilson says those kids were "going to be raised Wagners" referring to Jake and George's daughter and son. They stole George's son wiped out an entire family to get Jake's daughter

Says the allegations of sexual abuse of Jake's daughter "wasn't true ... it was their playbook" - common planner's theme under the law. Accused previous people of abuse "to push them out”

But Hanna was stronger than the other women - had a strong support system and family - gestures to the Rhoden family in the gallery.

Wilson: Make no mistake, their desire to raise (*advertiser censored*) 100 percent as Wagners was the motive in this case.

Says if you peel back the case another layer - this is about control and power. The playbook is the same all the time. "The Wagners need to control these children, these grandchildren, need to be raised. That's a group think.”

Wilson: "Who's running the show? It's him" pointing to George. Also says he manipulated his son at Montana border. "No way he's sitting on the sidelines"

Wilson says they waited to put Jake on stand to show you depth and complexity of the investigation before Jake pleaded guilty.

Talking through how they started suspecting Wagners - Billy lied to BCI agents, then the search warrants uncovered shell casings matching those at scene. "BCI had the Wagners, had them, well before Jake came forward.”

Says Jake is a "terrible, terrible human being. He's evil. He's going to spend the rest of his life locked in a cage."

But state entered the deal with one thing in mind - to get murder weapons. "Those guns were incredibly important." Needed them because of drugs - that was the Wagners' ruse and needed to finally disprove it.

When Jake led us to the guns, it flipped that defense 100 percent. Destroyed all the rumors heard in community as well. "No more arguing that it was the cartel.”

Also calls Angela Wagner a terrible human being, she's evil. "Even though she didn't go up to Union Hill Road, you better believe she is complicit."

"As distasteful as it was to deal with Jake and Angela, their testimony corroborates all the other evidence." Everybody in the family participated in the murders and everybody is guilty.

"Let's be real, who moved those bodies ... it was the defendant" talking about Chris Sr's trailer.

Wilson answering all the inconsistencies Parker brought up in defense. Also says they didn't play tape of George at Montana border as strategic move because then he doesn't have to testify. Only way he can get his story out then is take stand and be cross examined

Says George was clearly coached and practiced his answers when he took the stand. Answering questions before Parker even finished the question, including context before Parker framed it.

Asks jury if they noticed his body language when he would deny his involvement. Had a major tell. Looked straight down before answering anything to do with the crimes.

Wilson looks at co counsel, makes speed up sign. Then tells jury he is passing over 10 pages of notes. "There comes a time that there is nothing that I say that you don't know." "It's time to let you do your job"

"Over last three months we've given you all the evidence you need to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. He knew about it and participated in it ... if you make that finding, at that point, he's guilty ... and that's what you'll do because that's what he is."

And with that, we're done until 1 p.m. Jury will get jury instructions starting at 1.
 
Thanks Col and rsd. I did see the earlier photos but came across a death scene photo HG on FB :( and wondered if they were showing all scenes. So gory!!
I quit scrolling after seeing FR. I thought it was quite tacky. I think everyone has seen enough of that in the jury and the families. They have the pics if they want to look at the deceased again in the jury room. Showboating the dead... AC in her stride.
 
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REBUTTAL: Prosecutor Andy Wilson on rebuttal: "Mr. Parker said something that destroyed his defense ... he said 'if you believe Jake...' - but you can't have it both ways.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson - "There’s a saying in football that if you have two quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks. You have no credible offense, you're desperately trying to do anything you can to make something work.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson lists all victims - and says George is guilty of aggravated murder of each. "There’s been no direct testimony that he actually pulled the trigger in any one of these murders but you better believe he’s up to his eyeballs with his family.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson echoes something Canepa said yesterday - Jake had the chance to "throw his brother under the bus" when he was confessing. But he didn't. Wilson says they pushed him on it. Wilson notes Ohio law doesn't require George have pulled a trigger to be guilty.

REBUTTAL: Wilson tells the jury "if you aid, assist, abet in any way you’re on the hook just like the principle offender." He's talking about the phone jammer - George authorized the purchase on his card

REBUTTAL: Wilson goes on, saying you can't go with someone to buy a truck to be used in a murder - or put one nail in it to build a false bed to be used in a murder - and be innocent of agg murder.

REBUTTAL: Wilson is going through every step of the murders as Jake described George's involvement - sign false custody documents, getting into bed of truck, going into a crime scene and moving bodies, acting as a lookout, etc without being guilty of agg murder too.

REBUTTAL: Wilson called the plan to use Chris Sr's truck to do recon on the other scenes "brilliant." Defense attorney Parker just called the plan "improbable" in his closings.

REBUTTAL: Wilson goes in on George's reaction to the Montana interview - where BCI agents showed him evidence against the family. "You better believe any one of you, you’re going to get into that car and be like 'What the hell was that?!’”

REBUTTAL: Wilson holds up the jury instructions (more than 100 pages) that jury gets when he's done. Says they will see that complicity applies to all 22 counts in the indictment - he suggests they take it out and apply it to each one.

REBUTTAL: Wilson shows a photo taken after the murders (Billy's scorpion tattoo - and Jake testified to it) showing them with Bulvine and Sophia. "Make no mistake about it: those two children in that picture were never going to be raised anything other than Wagner.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson says the legal term for this is "common plan or scheme." "Know why they never called Childrens Services [on abuse allegations]? Why they never called doctors to look into claims? Because it wasn’t true.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson calls the claims of sex abuse against the kids "their playbook ...their fall back." Says the Wagners used it to justify murder.

REBUTTAL: Wilson tells jury to listen to recordings: "Who’s running the show? It’s him [points to George] - he sounds just like Angela. He wants everyone to know he’s calling the shots.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson - "and now [George] wants to control the outcome of this case through his bogus stories.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson says Jake is not the prosecution's star witness. Acknowledges how long of a case they laid out - 6 weeks ish - before they got to Jake. "We wanted to show you depth and complexity of BCI’s investigation, we didn’t just lock into the Wagners .”

REBUTTAL: Wilson just went through all the signs that pointed BCI investigators toward the Wagners - Billy's name coming up in interviews, him lying to them in an interview, them finding shell casings that matched, etc.

REBUTTAL: Wilson says guns were critical. "Chris had to be murdered because of the drugs - that was their defense in the case. But when Jake led us to the guns that destroyed that defense & it destroyed all the rumors you heard in the community.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson moves on to Angela's testimony- says she's also not a star witness. Says they sat down with her 4 months after Jake - had no idea what he said "She’s a terrible human being, no doubt about it, she’s evil ... but she independently verified what Jake told us.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson in what he called 'rapidfire' round on defense's closing arguments. He says it's clear George moved the bodies inside Chris Sr's trailer.

REBUTTAL: Wilson addresses Parker's question from closings: "Why didn’t we play interview in Montana? it was a strategic move. If we play it, [George] never has to take the stand to explain himself and is never subject to cross examination.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson says it was "obvious' George had been coached and practiced his answers. Says "he was literally answering questions before Mr. Parker was done asking them.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson tells the jury to ask 'why do you do that unless you're rehearsed? And why do you rehearse unless you're saying something other than the truth?’

REBUTTAL: Wilson says George has a "tell" when he was bluffing on the stand. Says he gave great eye contact, until he was asked about knowledge of or participation int he murders - then he looked down, "like clockwork.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson starts to wrap, "There comes a time when there’s nothing I can say that you don’t already know. There’s no argument you aren’t already aware of. It’s time to let you do your job.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson ends on topic of 'doubt.' "You’ll get a couple definitions of doubt. One is 'possible doubt.' The state doesn’t have to prove beyond all possible doubt, just all reasonable doubt.”

REBUTTAL: Wilson ends saying the evidence shows George is guilty - and the jury must agree, "you are required to find him guilty and that’s what you’ll do because that’s what he is.”

REBUTTAL: With that, the jury now goes to lunch - and will be given the lengthy instructions when they come back. The jury will get this case this afternoon - after 3 months of testimony.
 
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