I think I interpreted what you were saying as creating an equivalence between, let's say, between being "clannish" in the broad sense of the Rhodens and Manleys and the "clannish" but also cult-like behavior of the Wagners. Thanks for your explanation. And that was cool.
The W4 were clannish and cult-like. These four didn't lash out, in the heat of the moment, out of an injury to their own family, it was a planned takedown of another family. The W4 was willing to murder to further their own cause. As far as I can tell, the Rs and HHG have done nothing to deserve the death sentences that the W4 voted to give them. These are very dangerous people and as @Dudly said, "GWIII and AW getting together was a perfect storm for abusing the system and illegal activities…"
I know, you said if they could. I was just wondering how that scenario could even happen since JW will be testifying live again...as it's part of his deal.
She agreed to testify against him in her plea bargain. She has no choice unless she wants her plea thrown out…
I think, like JW, she has to testify against him to make her deal complete. She cannot back out. G3 may not agree on his side of the aisle. Marriage immunity and all but I don't see that it will matter, b/c she's given up marital immunity. IANAL though. They might possibly get certain sections of testimony dismissed or thrown out, but we saw G4's attorneys attept to do this, so I don't see how they can stop the prosecution from using their star witnesses.
Frankie was shot 3 times, not 4 as your post states. From the autopsy-GSW1 entrance right cheek, GSW2 entrance left superior temple, GSW3 entrance left inferior temple. After seeing the room set up one would have to be standing at the end of the bed to shoot FW in the left side of his head. I think it is possible BW fired those shots. MOOBIBM
I am not sure if JW is misremembering, or retelling the story his way, but still testifying to the prosecution's satisfaction. I personally feel it is the latter.
My dad shot FR after he died while I looked for casings and cell phones;
JW's retelling of the murder of HMR, DR, and CR2. No matter his retelling, and his storyline, he takes full responsibility for these three murders, each time. Someone covered her face, and someone covered CR1 and GR maybe with him (BJM even says something about pulling back a cover iirc). Maybe it was JW, maybe it wasn't, but he does admit to murder.
JW admits to murdering them all, initially. It's just not possible. Especially given the facts at CR1's trailer.
Two, possibly three, of the victims may have been fully asleep. I don't feel the others were. JM2, my own personal theory.
KR was murdered by the same caliber gun as CR1 and GR. G3's firearm.
All the W4 are as full of $4*t as a Christmas turkey but JW's full testimony, when stripped of embellishments or misremembering, and the facts presented by those who investigated the case, do line up.
Pike County murder trial: Testimony moves to scene where Hannah Hazel Gilley, Frankie Rhoden found dead
Testimony in the trial of a man accused of murdering eight people in Pike County continued Wednesday, with the agent who lead the investigation at one of four different crime scenes discovered.www.wcpo.com
Then the paper I linked, stated it incorrectly. I normally do not go from memory, which is the reason for the links in my post.
www.wcpo.com
local12.com
Yes, typo on my part. Thanks for the correction.TYPO - FR not FW
It is the article that mistakenly said Frankie was shot 4 times.
Would you link your autopsy info? I don't remember seeing this specific information on where the gunshots hit Frankie, thanks.
Shots fired from indeterminate distance, possible shot from foot of bed? Maybe. But baby was in bed so this is risky. Jake saw the baby after he shot both of them.
I have posted photos of the BCI diagram of Frankie's bedroom and you can stand at the side of Frankie's bed to shoot. There is a crib against the wall, then past the crib is the bed then Frankie (Clarance his given name used) is shown in bed to be closest to the crib with HG in bed on the far side under the window.
George's Bond Hearing
George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details
WAVERLY, Ohio (WKRC) - One of the four Wagner family members charged in the execution-style murders of eight members of the Rhoden and Gilley families asked the court to set bail for him. However, Judge Randy Deering denied the request from George Wagner IV after hearing two hours of testimony...
Frankie floor plan shows bedroom with crib - diagram of them in bed.
= Starts at 1:25:44
I had not seen the photo of the crib. I think he shot FR from a distance, b/c he, JW, couldn't handle him if he got up and got moving. Then leaned over FR, and shot HHG at close range. My Lord, little R, right there, between them, nursing. Stone. Cold. Killers.
Not surprised, I called that one a while ago. Just waiting on the cov motion after Judge Deering retires.Billy Wagner should be tried outside of Pike County, attorneys say
George "Billy" Wagner III was back in a Pike County courtroom on Wednesday for the first time in nearly a year. His lawyers want him tried elsewhere.www.chillicothegazette.com
Billy Wagner should be tried outside of Pike County, attorneys say
George "Billy" Wagner III was back in a Pike County courtroom on Wednesday for the first time in nearly a year. His lawyers want him tried elsewhere.www.chillicothegazette.com
So why is Collins telling the news media instead of the judge? Is Collins going to be another attorney who wants to try his clients case in the news media?Billy Wagner should be tried outside of Pike County, attorneys say
George "Billy" Wagner III was back in a Pike County courtroom on Wednesday for the first time in nearly a year. His lawyers want him tried elsewhere.www.chillicothegazette.com
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Collins and fellow lawyer Thomas F. Hayes said Wagner III will not seek to settle the state of Ohio’s charges against him, including eight for aggravated murder.
“He said he definitely wants to go to trial,” Collins said. “He is focused and he is going to be an active participant and he will help in his own defense.”
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Wagner III, 51, spent only five minutes in the Pike County courtroom. He arrived from the Butler County Jail around 12:30 p.m., wearing orange jail clothing and escorted by heavily armed guards. He entered the courtroom at 1:42, dressed in blue jeans and a blue button-down shirt, having earlier won a motion to wear civilian clothing in court.
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“It makes no particular sense to set dates in this case today,” Deering said.
Deering will be replaced by Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk on Feb. 9.
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Collins and Hayes said they will put their request for a new venue in front of whoever is appointed, along with evidence of the wide media attention of the fall trial.
I agree with all of this! I don't have to believe Jake or Angela to know that they all were involved so in that reguard, I don't "need" to know exactly in order to know they are all in it up to their eyeballs. I am married to an avid hunter and my sons hunt also. I don't care for it, but if done respectfully with the intent to eat the meat or donate/share what you can't eat, then I am okay with hunting and the why behind it. I also take gun ownership seriously. They need to be locked up, legal, used for hunting, protection, or target practice and that's it. All that buying and selling of random guns and then shooting them all around the house (for shell casings to be all over the ground, it doesn't sound like they had a designated area to target practice there), making silencers and testing them, spotlighting "winter olympics" and shooting way to many, etc. All that is without the murdering they did.. it just leads me to believe they don't care about rules and regulations, they think rules don't apply to them and that is exactly the type of person that then would lie on the stand.I'm kinda leery of JW's entire storyline though. It truly didn't match up at all times. JM2¢ on his testimony. I think all four are guilty as sin, and that G4's only possible saving grace is that he truly didn't make a kill shot, but he just as well have, he disabled CR1. Just like he disabled the deer when he shined the lights in their eyes. Then he or his uncle shot them. How low of a sportsman is that? It's like paying to shoot a lion in a cage. Neither he nor his uncle seemed to be starving, by any means.
I remember him saying something to the effect that his grandmother wouldn't let him "coyote hunt" on her property, because she didn't want him to hurt them. I took that to mean she had no clue what his code for "coyote hunting" was and he wasn't telling her what it meant.
I'd be willing to bet he'd throw AW and JW under the bus. Maybe G4 but he seems to uphold his father's training a bit better. Take it all the way. Make them show their hand.
Perhaps he's taking advantage of having to wait on the chief justice of the Ohio Supreme Court to appoint a visiting judge to the case.
