GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #63

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I agree. I am thinking this puts the responsibility to meet with The State/AC, on the Attorneys. . In other words, the Attorneys must make time to meet with AC, regardless of their schedules, vacations, other matters.
If moving forward absent a meeting, a choice by an Attorney, because of the Order, the responsibility for a the outcome for the client lies on the Attorney, not AC or the State.
This Order protects the record, makes responsibility clear.
MO.
I agree with all you say here.

MO.
I have always thought that the entire plan was because AW wanted to move to Alaska. She had to have total custody and manipulated her family to fix the problem. This may be the one time AW and FW agreed upon something.
A standard Child custody document or agreement of sharing and keeping to an agreed schedule of custody dates, would never have satisfied AW needs.
So, I believe AW was present on UHR , maybe Left Fork also and contributed in many ways to the events of 4/22.
All MO.

I have always felt AW was safely at home or in a vehicle with the kids. She was to get custody if the others did not make it so they would not want her in harms way. However, I could see her entering one or more of the crime scenes once it was secure.
 
The Walther 1911-22 is a gun styled to look like the military m-1911a1 (originally made by Colt) in 45ACP caliber. The 1911-22 is in .22 caliber and will only fire cartridges that are the 22 long rifle length. The weapon is made to cash in on the image of the Colt -1911a1 as a military pistol but in a much gentler (and less lethal) caliber. It comes with a threaded barrel for a silencer. The gun weighs 36 ounce and is considered heavy even for adults. The cost at Gander is 325$.
 
The Walther 1911-22 is a gun styled to look like the military m-1911a1 (originally made by Colt) in 45ACP caliber. The 1911-22 is in .22 caliber and will only fire cartridges that are the 22 long rifle length. The weapon is made to cash in on the image of the Colt -1911a1 as a military pistol but in a much gentler (and less lethal) caliber. It comes with a threaded barrel for a silencer. The gun weighs 36 ounce and is considered heavy even for adults. The cost at Gander is 325$.

I want to know what gun had the larger caliber bullets.
 
The Glock would be the larger caliber I am pretty sure.

Wow! I was right, I think anyway. George known as the Glock man and whose uncle went to the HWY rest stop with him to buy a Glock, is the one who shot Gary. His dad said his son was shot with larger caliber bullets.

So Jake used the 22 and George used the Glock and Billy used whatever that other one is and as I thought, Billy shot Chris, his bullets were not the same caliber as George's were.

The pieces fit on UHR but what about Left Fork Rd ??? Biggest mystery of this whole Case.
 
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Wow! I was right, I think anyway. George known as the Glock man and whose uncle went to the HWY rest stop with him to buy a Glock, is the one who shot Gary. His dad said his son was shot with larger caliber bullets.

So Jake used the 22 and George used the Glock and Billy used whatever that other one is and as I thought, Billy shot Chris, his bullets were not the same caliber as George's were.

The pieces fit on UHR but what about Left Fork Rd ??? Biggest mystery of this whole Case.

But the SKS .30 is larger than the.22 Walter so it could be the larger caliber...
 
As to sleep aid I don't know I never did that to my kids. Benadryl (antihistamine) never made my kids tired at all.

There was not enough room for 6 people to go. A truck that has 2 up front and the truck bed in back to throw in all the cameras and then a car with 2 kids cramed in back with 2 in the front, not realistic at all. Both of those kids were old enough to wake up and tell everyone they were in the car.

No, Jake made sure he had his child that week and he isn't going to haul her back there. There is more chance of sun bathing at the South Pole than George and Jake
dragging their children off to accompany them on 8 murders.

Angie would have to stay in the car with them, might as well be at home with them. 3 guns, they didn't need her. Angie and 2 kids would be an interference not a help. No help at all...point of view.

And suppressors only muffle sound not cancel it, blasting on the front porch is risky with kids in your car.

One reason the Wagners did custody was in case the Rhodens fought back and shot them, according to Canepa they knew what the Rhodens were capable of and thus made custody clear.

"They might shoot at us"
"So what! take the kids anyway" I don't think so.

ItalicizedBM #1: That is the medication I was referring to. Perhaps it didn't make your children drowsy, but for many children--and adults--it does cause drowsiness. Children's diphenhydramine (name brand Benadryl) label (link below):
When using this product:

  • Marked drowsiness may occur
Granted, the label also says not to give this medicine only to make kids sleepy. However, I have personally known people who do it anyway. I have also personally transcribed office notes on pediatric patients whose physicians have advised occasional use of Benadryl for this purpose in children who have trouble falling asleep and maintaining sleep.

Based upon my own personal experience of giving my children diphenhydramine to help control their seasonal allergies--and the drowsiness it caused in them--it is my opinion that any of the W4 giving the children this medication, or a generic equivalent, could possibly cause them to sleep more soundly than usual.

Children’s BENADRYL® Allergy Liquid | BENADRYL®

IBM #2: I understood both vehicles to be trucks. Were either or both of the trucks crew cabs? There would be plenty of cab space for one child or both children in back seat(s) plus an open truck bed, which with a crew cab could be approximately 5-1/2 feet if short bed and approximately 6-1/2 feet if long bed, to haul cargo (items removed from crime scenes). For that matter, the shooters could simply hop in the bed of either truck and leave the scene quickly as the truck drove by, especially easy to do if the tailgate is down.

IMO, it is also possible that if one truck was only a standard cab, that vehicle could have been simply used to haul away all the items stolen. It could have been parked somewhere out of sight in the general area and not actually taken to any crime scene. The other truck could have been driven by AW with the kids in the cab to each crime scene, and the three guys rode in the truck bed for quick exit/entry to do the shooting.

IBM #3: AW didn't necessarily have to stay in the vehicle with the kids if they were sleeping. IMO, the vehicles weren't parked directly in front of any of the crime scenes. They would be too easily seen by anyone driving by. IMO, the vehicles were somewhere close by, but not directly at the crime scenes. This would create more distance for any sound of gunshots to travel--making the gunshots less likely heard by the children.

Also, AW could have gone into any of the four crime scenes once the shooting was done, so she wouldn't be put in danger in case something had happened to GW4 or JW.

IBM #4: IMO, no "blasting" was done on CRSR's front porch, or else it would have awakened FR and HG in the trailer next door. If the gunshots were suppressed enough to not wake up any neighbors at any of the crime scenes, I find it hard to believe it would wake up two sleeping children in a nearby vehicle.

All my opinion.
 
ItalicizedBM #1: That is the medication I was referring to. Perhaps it didn't make your children drowsy, but for many children--and adults--it does cause drowsiness. Children's diphenhydramine (name brand Benadryl) label (link below):
When using this product:

  • Marked drowsiness may occur
Granted, the label also says not to give this medicine only to make kids sleepy. However, I have personally known people who do it anyway. I have also personally transcribed office notes on pediatric patients whose physicians have advised occasional use of Benadryl for this purpose in children who have trouble falling asleep and maintaining sleep.

Based upon my own personal experience of giving my children diphenhydramine to help control their seasonal allergies--and the drowsiness it caused in them--it is my opinion that any of the W4 giving the children this medication, or a generic equivalent, could possibly cause them to sleep more soundly than usual.

Children’s BENADRYL® Allergy Liquid | BENADRYL®

IBM #2: I understood both vehicles to be trucks. Were either or both of the trucks crew cabs? There would be plenty of cab space for one child or both children in back seat(s) plus an open truck bed, which with a crew cab could be approximately 5-1/2 feet if short bed and approximately 6-1/2 feet if long bed, to haul cargo (items removed from crime scenes). For that matter, the shooters could simply hop in the bed of either truck and leave the scene quickly as the truck drove by, especially easy to do if the tailgate is down.

IMO, it is also possible that if one truck was only a standard cab, that vehicle could have been simply used to haul away all the items stolen. It could have been parked somewhere out of sight in the general area and not actually taken to any crime scene. The other truck could have been driven by AW with the kids in the cab to each crime scene, and the three guys rode in the truck bed for quick exit/entry to do the shooting.

IBM #3: AW didn't necessarily have to stay in the vehicle with the kids if they were sleeping. IMO, the vehicles weren't parked directly in front of any of the crime scenes. They would be too easily seen by anyone driving by. IMO, the vehicles were somewhere close by, but not directly at the crime scenes. This would create more distance for any sound of gunshots to travel--making the gunshots less likely heard by the children.

Also, AW could have gone into any of the four crime scenes once the shooting was done, so she wouldn't be put in danger in case something had happened to GW4 or JW.

IBM #4: IMO, no "blasting" was done on CRSR's front porch, or else it would have awakened FR and HG in the trailer next door. If the gunshots were suppressed enough to not wake up any neighbors at any of the crime scenes, I find it hard to believe it would wake up two sleeping children in a nearby vehicle.

All my opinion.

"Ok everyone let's make the kids comfortable in the vehicles on our way to Kenai Alaska, stopping at 4 different Hotels. Oh, and we will stop by the Hotel pools."
... "Fun times for our kids."

"Ok everyone let's make the kid's comfortable in the vehicles on our way to commit 8 aggravated homicides and burglaries, stopping at 4 different homes. Oh, and we will stop by granny Fred's pond."
... "Fun times for our kids."

I find this not believable. Opinion
 
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Anyone:

Which of the two largest caliber weapons could blast thru an interior door and continue on to injure CRSr?
Which of the two could blast thru a trailer floor and embed itself into the dirt underneath?
Or could either of the larger two do both?

Was CRsr shot 9 times - 9 shots out of one or both or a combination of the 2 larger caliber?

Is it possible JW shot CRsr once even after CR sr was obviously gone?
Just for the symbolism, within the family?

He could then still factually state that he did not kill CRsr.

Just wondering about what may have gone on there.
 
(CO original post shortened by me to save space, specific points BBM below)
-Is it possible that G4 chickened out at the scene and BW used G4 gun?
IMO, this is certainly a possibility and would also explain why GW4 doesn't think he should be found guilty of murder.

We know BW had a Glock in the road rage incident that time. He may have favored that type of weapon.
I agree. IMO, until specific information is released regarding which W4 member pulled the trigger on which specific gun for each specific victim, this prevents us from knowing who used the Glock to kill any of the victims. IMO, even if GW4 carried the Glock into a crime scene, that doesn't mean he is the one who shot it.

Just a hypothetical thought, could be totally wrong: If GW4 had chickened out and wouldn't pull the trigger at CRSR's, maybe he was bullied into being the one who killed KR. It might be a possible explanation why KR was only shot one time. Not really my opinion, just a crazy notion.
 
Anyone:

Which of the two largest caliber weapons could blast thru an interior door and continue on to injure CRSr?
Which of the two could blast thru a trailer floor and embed itself into the dirt underneath?
Or could either of the larger two do both?

Was CRsr shot 9 times - 9 shots out of one or both or a combination of the 2 larger caliber?

Is it possible JW shot CRsr once even after CR sr was obviously gone?
Just for the symbolism, within the family?

He could then still factually state that he did not kill CRsr.

Just wondering about what may have gone on there.

We do not know if CRsr was shot with more than one caliber or not for sure. We know the notes in articles from the preliminary autopsy states that GR was shot with a larger caliber. It does not say that about CRsr and KR (unless it was just left out).

My guess is that either the Glock or the SKS both could go through the door or through the floor.

JW could have shot CRsr and not actually have been the one that killed him with a shot that he made. (not sure if you meant G4) But could be true about either.
 
Anyone:

Which of the two largest caliber weapons could blast thru an interior door and continue on to injure CRSr?
Which of the two could blast thru a trailer floor and embed itself into the dirt underneath?
Or could either of the larger two do both?

Was CRsr shot 9 times - 9 shots out of one or both or a combination of the 2 larger caliber?

Is it possible JW shot CRsr once even after CR sr was obviously gone?
Just for the symbolism, within the family?

He could then still factually state that he did not kill CRsr.

Just wondering about what may have gone on there.

A BB gun could probably shoot through an interior door if it was a standard mobile home interior door. They are like two pieces of paneling with some cardboard for a spacer in between...
 
Still following. Read that GW4 who appeared in Pike County Common Pleas Court on Monday, will have a trial in front of Judge Randy Deering on April 4, 2022. Fixin to put that on my calendar. Very interested in what that trial might shake out.

I know it's old news but here's the link for anyone who wants it:
George Wagner IV will stand trial on April 4 in Rhoden family killings
 
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