GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #64

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Is all the discoveries the same for the Wagner’s ?

We would have to compare everyone's Discoveries to know that.

We only see one Discovery at a time, like one of Jake's comes out, then a different Discovery comes out for Angela, April 28th one of George's Discoveries came out etc...
 
We would have to compare everyone's Discoveries to know that.

We only see one Discovery at a time, like one of Jake's comes out, then a different Discovery comes out for Angela, April 28th one of George's Discoveries came out etc...

You only see them that way because they are the same for everyone so they are not all posted because there would be no reason really. Their discovery list is usually filed at the very same time. There have been once or twice when for one defendant one of them got filed later so the one before it and the current one got combined but they ended up being the
same. They used to file discovery as they gave it to defense but then they started just filing it when they came to court hearings for each defendant even though they had already turned it over. Then in one case they held onto the list about a year before they filed it even though it had been turned over.
 
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You only see them that way because they are the same for everyone so they are not all posted because there would be no reason really. Their discovery list is usually filed at the very same time. There have been once or twice when for one defendant one of them got filed later so the one before it and the current one got combined but they ended up being the
same. They used to file discovery as they gave it to defense but then they started just filing it when they came to court hearings for each defendant even though they had already turned it over. Then in one case they held onto the list about a year before they filed it even though it had been turned over.

Interesting, thanks
 
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Bet Chris Graves would try to get things. Anyone could
e-mail her. I asked Angenette Levy questions through facebook, former reporter from
WCPO 9 News. She reported on the Case in MSM and on her Twitter, she's the one I got the 30 second metal detector video from that I posted.

Chris Graves, she teaches journalism now out of State.

Twitter 30 second video of search with metal detectors by the dive team out at FWF.

Angenette Levy Emmy-nominated reporter and Anchor.
@Local12
Nov 7, 2019
 
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Bet Chris Graves would try to get things. Anyone could
e-mail her. I asked Angenette Levy questions through facebook, former reporter from
WCPO 9 News. She reported on the Case in MSM and on her Twitter, she's the one I got the 30 second metal detector video from that I posted.

Chris Graves, she teaches journalism now out of State.

Twitter 30 second video of search with metal detectors by the dive team out at FWF.

Angenette Levy Emmy-nominated reporter and Anchor.
@Local12
Nov 7, 2019

Thinking of Chris Graves. Is she in our timeline? Or should she be?
The warrant to monitor (whatever word, monitor, intercept) her communications with the W's.
I believe this was in the living in Alaska time.
It seems to be important.
 
Thinking of Chris Graves. Is she in our timeline? Or should she be?
The warrant to monitor (whatever word, monitor, intercept) her communications with the W's.
I believe this was in the living in Alaska time.
It seems to be important.

Chris Graves letter dated March 6th, 2019
telling her that her communication with the Wagners had been intercepted starting June 9th, 2017 for 30 days then another 30 day extension was granted on July 7th, 2017.

MSM From Chris Grave's Twitter account:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/b5970061-96a9-4921-b102-09ffced54757-jpeg.178064/

All those times in Alaska that Chris Graves was communicating with the Wagner's over e-mail/phones etc..BCI was monitoring it. This was from
June 9th until August 9th 2017.
 
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No wouldn't be the same thing. A plea deal means they have to plead guilty and forgo a trial.

Jake's plea deal gives them a chance to get a trial without the death penalty specifications.

That's Jake's plea deal and the prosecution can't change it unless he refuses to testify at their trials.

Youngest Wagner agrees to plea deal to avoid death penalty in Pike County murders

Judge Deering

"That removes the sentence of death from, as a possible sentence, that will not be possible, at that point, to impose a possible death sentence. Do you understand that?"

That's right-I forgot. Thanks!
 
Posting this to add in the wiretaps to see what was going on when BCI started recording the Wagners in Alaska.

June 8, 2017 -
Trash Pull Jackson Days Inn

June 8, 2017 - Chris Graves article comes out, interviews with Angela/Jake through Facebook and e-mail.

June 9, 2017 - BCI has a Warrant and starts recording the Wagner's. They hear and/or read Chris Graves' communication with them.

Sunday June 18, 2017 - Wagners attend church in Kenai AK. according to the Pastor.

Monday June 19, 2017 - AK neighbor Brad Conklin sees the Wagners with two heavy-duty pickup trucks, a large horse trailer and another 24-foot-long trailer covered with a tarp.

Tuesday June 20, 2017 - AK neighbor Conklin gives interview to Chris Graves, says he saw the Wagners yesterday, on Monday.

Tuesday June 20, 2017 - The Wagners' long time friend and Ohio Pastor, Kelly Cinereski, tells WCPO 9 News that the Wagners are trying to move on and they attended his son's church in Kenai AK on Sunday.

Wednesday June 21, 2017 - MSM puts out the DeWine laser focus article.

June 28, 2017 - The Wagners' Ohio attorney gives interviews to MSM claiming that LE is harassing his clients.

July 3, 2017 - Angela and Billy register to vote in AK.

July 7, 2017 - Another 30 day extension granted, on the Warrant to record the Wagners.

July 8, 2017 - Chris Graves interview. Jake complains: “And then it followed us here.”

Summer 2017 - Daily Mail puts out rare photos of the Wagners at Walmart and information about some of the Wagners' activities.

Summer 2017 - Billy was fined for not having enough life jackets onboard a boat. He paid the fine.

Summer 2017 - Jake applied for a fishing and hunting license, also gets a speeding ticket.

August 9th 2017 - BCI's Warrant expires and they stop recording the Wagner's. On this Warrant anyway.

https://www.scribd.com/document/402565469/Angela-Wagner
https://www.wcpo.com/news/crime/pik...-family-attended-church-in-alaska-pastor-says
Ohio family charged in Rhoden murders kept low profile in Alaska, neighbor says
Pictured, people in laser focus of multiple murder hunt | Daily Mail Online
 
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No offense, but there are too many ads, most of the people talking are not from Ohio or Pike CountyThey're basically rehashing discussions that we've all been having about the case since 2016.

They sound astounded that LE moved the mobile homes and camper to storage shortly after the murders, to protect the crime scenes. Yes, it was a lot of work and likely very expensive. Why did they go to such expense to move them? Well, a lot of unusual aspects of how this case was handled can be partially explained. <modsnip>

The case had attracted worldwide media attention, due to the cruel and heinous nature of the crimes. Two very powerful people had their reputations and careers on the line as they were both in the midst of high profile campaigns. No expense was spared and extraordinary measures were taken to keep as many details about the crime and investigation from the public. <modsnip>

There was nothing special about those trailers. DeWine and Sheriff Reader admitted all the evidence had been gathered from the scenes and stored away under the watchful eyes of BCI. The goal was to control the narrative and any details about the investigation.

JMO

ETA: Also, when analyzing the crime scene at CR Sr's home, Gary Rhoden's dad (in the video linked a few posts back) stated that LE told him Gary was laying in the bedroom, Chris Sr. was laying on top, across Gary's legs.
I believe your statement in the last paragraph is incorrect. IMO it's the other way around. GR was laying across CRSR's legs.

"My nephew was lying one way and Gary was lying over his legs, shot three times in the head, Gary was. The rest of them, I don’t know,” said Gary’s father, Kenneth Rhoden."

Ohio shooting victims: A closer look at the 8 who died
 
When did you change your mind? After their arrests, after JW confessed? Some other point?

Hmm. Would be when Jake confessed. but only if evidence is found and verified. <modsnip>
 
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Hmm. Would be when Jake confessed. but only if evidence is found and verified. <modsnip>.

  • Hundreds of crime scene photos taken by investigators from all of the murder scenes
  • Hundreds of custody messages
  • Ballistic evidence
  • Autopsies and X-ray photos for all eight Rhoden family victims
  • Video and audio interviews taken with the Wagners
  • Nearly 300 seized voicemails
  • Cell tower records from Billy Wagner’s cellphone
  • Nearly 600 photos from the search and seizure at the Flying W Farm
  • One photo of George “Billy” Wagner’s tattoo
  • A “Boondock Saints” video clip
  • Records and photos from the evidence trailer searchers
#1.) MURDER KIT

First purchase on 2-26-16
Some items were purchased from Tactical Innovations Inc. billed to Jake.


10 Freeze plugs purchased at a local auto parts store paid for in cash, generic
maglite flashlights, nuts, 1 quantity thread adapters/protectors for Colt Numarex 1911, 2 bait nets to make brass catchers, bug detectors for counter surveillance, night scope, masks.

Bought on March 27, 2016 and consistent for use with a 30 caliber firearm are SKS magazines and SKS ammunition, a AR 15 brass catcher was also bought that day. Purchased items were for 40, 30, and 22 caliber firearms. The firearms used at the crime scenes were 40, 30 and 22 caliber.

George said he bought a Captain America mask even though they do not celebrate Halloween. It goes against their religion, at least against Jake's religion, because on multiple occasions George was heard mocking Jake for his religion.

One way BCI surveiled the Wagners was through remote surveillance. A woman is the confidential reliable source who overheard the Wagners plotting revenge. During Scheiderer's testimony Canepa referred to her as a confidential witness. Be interesting to see if she takes the stand during trial.

# 2.) GEORGE'S BOND HEARING - 2ND VIDEO DOWN - SCHEIDERER CROSS EXAMINATION AND SCHEIDERER HOLDING PHOTOS ON WITNESS STAND
George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

Bloody shoe impressions on floor at Chris SR's = Starts at 1:12:40 = Photo

Angela in Walmart = Starts at 1:22:40 = Photo

Shell casing found in Frankie's and HG's bed in between where they were laying = Pause on 1:25:22 = Photo

The photo shows a blue gloved hand holding the casing, just the top is visible. Scheiderer describes it as a fired Remington 22 long rifle shell casing.

3 guns - 2 handguns and 1 rifle. Jake owned a 22 caliber Walther Colt and George bought a Glock handgun through Facebook. His uncle facilitated it and they met the seller at a HWY rest stop.

40 caliber Glock - semi automatic hand gun (pistol)

Walther Colt 1911.22 Long Rifle - semi automatic handgun (pistol)
long rifle means the type of ammunition.

SKS 30 caliber rifle (7.62) shells

#3.) BEFORE THE MURDERS THEY UNDERESTIMATED

Fake custody documents, shoe receipt, fighting over custody, domestic abuse, stalking, sharing the home layouts, custody spread sheet, illegal surveillance, numerous screen shots of private conversations showing computer hacking, cell tower records,

Boondock Saints movie, gun list on phone, gun photo on phone, being known as a Glock man, buying a Glock off facebook and shooting all over their property that left all those buried 22 shell casings....

All those purchases: Mask, night scope, bait nets to make brass catchers, bug detectors for counter surveillance, shoes,

supplies to make silencers such as maglite flashlights,10 Freeze plugs all mentioned above....

Ballistic evidence at Chris Seniors found in living room, front porch, and bullet in dirt under house.

30 caliber rifle bullet fragments.
Metallic 7.62 cartridge - heavier weight - military style round.
Bullet fragments from a Glock 40 caliber firearm.
A casing from a 40 caliber cartridge.

Ballistic evidence at Dana's and Frankie's:

22 long rifle shell casing recovered under crib in Hanna's bedroom.
22 long rifle shell casing recovered in the middle of Frankie's and HG's bed.

#4.) MISTAKES MADE BY THE WAGNER CRIME FAMILY


1.) Faulty burned silencer in well - Consistent with suppressor parts they bought.
2.) Bullet casings buried in the ground - Matched casings at crime scenes.

3.) Fraudulent custody documents - Showed motive for murder and also exposed Angie's lie telling her mom to lie and say she forged the documents.

4.) Angie's infamous shoe receipt - Linked BCI to the Waverly Walmart showing Angie (in early April) on video buying the brand of shoes that were consistent with the bloody footprints at Dana's and Chris's including having new tread.

5.) Digital trail of their online and local purchases.
6.) Not getting rid of Jake's phone with family gun information and gun photo.

7.) Not getting rid of Angie's laptop showing many screenshots of Facebook private conversations they hacked into.

8.) Using guns that are incriminating such as using a Walter Colt 22 when there is a photo of it on Jake's phone, being known as a Glock man and buying a Glock then using a Glock for the crimes. And their purchased silencer equipment goes specifally with these size guns.

9.) Leaving bloody foot prints at 2 crime scenes.
10.) Knowing they are being bugged by BCI yet still making incriminating statements.
11.) Discussing revenge in front of a witness.
12.) Fighting with Chris Rhoden.
13.) Wanting custody right before they committed their crimes.

Scheiderer testimony at Bond Hearing
• Discovery Documents
Evidence lists reveal more details of Rhoden family murder case
‘They’d have to kill me:’ Evidence reveals motive in Rhoden massacre

 
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Nice recap, CC.

Mr. JW sealed their fate with his confession and the location of the physical evidence. The only remaining obstacles are the potential of trials (foregone conclusion based off known evidence) and their last appearance in court as they'll forever be behind bars. JMO, MOO subject to change if credible evidence is provided by the defense. I'm not holding my breath!!!!
 
Nice recap, CC.

Mr. JW sealed their fate with his confession and the location of the physical evidence. The only remaining obstacles are the potential of trials (foregone conclusion based off known evidence) and their last appearance in court as they'll forever be behind bars. JMO, MOO subject to change if credible evidence is provided by the defense. I'm not holding my breath!!!!

Thanks @ohioexpat63

Also, I agree with your assessment..;)
 
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WOW i can't believe JW confessed. I cant believe they really did this. They would have gottne away with it if JW didn't testify. with all the issues with this case. I still don;t feel right saying they are guilty with out any doubt.
 
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