Johnny B Bad
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Merry Christmas to all you Sleuthers:
One Question Sleuthers: Has Angela Wagner already been past sentences on for her role in the murders by a mission of guilt and is just waiting to be sent to prison for 30 years and no less????
G4 went to the murders with a weapon with intent to use it. If one of the rhodens had killed Jake and Billy you can bet he would have killed them. He may have shot and killed one. He may have fired and missed. His gun could have jammed. This murder could not have been completed without him. A criminal conspiracy is all about a group accomplishing what they could not individually. Someone tampered with scenes took cameras etc. Let's not forget they also tried to frame the manleys actively like a specific part of the plan was to ruin their lives even more. So many people have gotten life sentences which pale in comparison to this crime. The ruthless destruction and disregard for life is terrifying. Every taboo you could think of mother's with newborns, couples in their bed, a 16 year old boy terrified trying to call 911 but it's jammed. The way lawyers can micro manipulate these charges is scary and frustrating. Sometimes the big picture should matter! Forensics and all is great but crimes were solved a long time before without it.... merry Christmas everyone
"Micro-manipulate" is a very good way of describing how they twist the facts and spread rumors to make it appear GW4 is pure as the driven snow. Remember, defense attorneys can bend the truth or even lie when arguing in the alternative.
GW4's attorney, John Parker, took 10 little snippets, small fragments of sentences, from Jake's 12 hour confession and tried to twist them into a claim that GW4 didn't "shoot anybody". Parker and AC discussed this with Judge Deering in chambers before George's hearing last week. They all agreed the judge would hear the argument, but the defense could not read the "snippets" aloud in court.
When they walked into court for the hearing, what was the first thing George's defense attorney did? He started to read the snippets out loud anyway, even though the judge had ordered him not to.
What did Judge Deering say? "We're not going to try this case in the media". The judge was not happy.
Judge keeps death penalty chance for George Wagner IV charged in Rhoden family murder | 10tv.com
Parker is also dishonest in his argument that George4 will face the DP, while Jake gets LWOP. That's also not true. George4 and Billy will get LWOP if Jake testifies honestly in both of their trials.
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GW4's attorney, John Parker, took 10 little snippets, small fragments of sentences, from Jake's 12 hour confession and tried to twist them into a claim that GW4 didn't "shoot anybody". Parker and AC discussed this with Judge Deering in chambers before George's hearing last week. They all agreed the judge would hear the argument, but the defense could not read the "snippets" aloud in court.
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But during Wednesday's hearing, special prosecutor Angela Canepa told Deering she thought there was something important to note: "We are not stipulating that George Wagner did not shoot anybody. We are stipulating that according to Jake Wagner's proffer, George did not shoot anybody. That's an important distinction."
You bring up some very good points as always. I think its possible the defense saying there was no intent may come from something JW said in his proffer. JMO - When you follow the motions you can tell what the strategy is. We had heard of two other things that the defense claims JW stated so I assume that is where they are going to try to go with this.I don't mind the defence attorneys, I think they are doing the best they can considering what they are up against, but when his atty says he had no intent to kill I was astonished, all 4 of them had intent,
I still think GW the younger killed nobody, the state has hung its case and credibility on agreeing with JW proffer, and they could not go to court accepting and relying on JW proffer if they have other evidence (or any lingering doubts) that shows GW the younger shot anybody, as that would make JW a liar, and his plea deal not truthful, so I find her argument disingenuous when she stated we accept GW the younger didn't shoot anybody only due to JW proffer, they can't have it both ways, as they would be subpoenaing perjury if they go to court believing JW to already be a liar if they have evidence showing GW the younger shot at/and or killed one or more of the victims,
You bring up some very good points as always. I think its possible the defense saying there was no intent may come from something JW said in his proffer. JMO - When you follow the motions you can tell what the strategy is. We had heard of two other things that the defense claims JW stated so I assume that is where they are going to try to go with this.
GW4 really think’s that he never did anything wrong the night of the Piketon Massacre, the world knows exactly what that phrase means
(The Piketon Massacre) that says it all for George Wagner iv faith when his day comes in court, in my book! JMO
Thanks @Betty P for posting the latest hearing. I watched it last night before bed. He seems to be seething as if he is ready to explode. I could see the possibility of Jake and him in the same courtroom, Jake testifying and George exploding and the two of them in a shouting match. Honestly I hate to think it will go to trial for the Rhoden/Gilley family's sake though.
I don't know.
The trial itself will be tough but in the end I think the ring of 8 guilty murder verdicts will bring the family a certain type of closure, justice.
Overwhelming evidence.
Jake's (now Angie's) testimony of George's complicity.
Prosecution alluding that he is guilty of shooting.
Judge Deering keeping DP and murder charges in the trial.
Shoes placing George right in the thick of the murders.
3 guns, buying mask, buying Glock, buying night scope.
8,000 recordings of interest.
Doing everything together.
Other Acts Evidence.
Also
Buying parts to make silencers (proving intent and premeditation to kill victims without awakening other victims)
Spent casings from his gun found at one of the crime scenes (CR1's trailer)
JMO, I'm also going to add that he helped hide and destroy evidence
Jake's plead deal, for anyone who missed it:
Complete with a few corrections written in, is right past Billy's Motion #51
DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE OF THE PROSECUTION IN DISMISSING THE MURDER SPECIFICATIONS AGAINST DEFENDANT GEORGE WAGNER III
Scroll past the end of it.
DEFENDANT'S AGREEMENT AND PLEA AND SENTENCING AGREEMENT OF THE PARTIES
It's not exactly Jake's plea deal. It's GW4's attorneys motion to demand that the DP specification be dismissed for GW4 regardless of how or if Jake testifies. Judge Deering ruled against this, IIRC.
As the state pointed out, the contract is between Jake and the state. George isn't a party to the contract.
If Jake testifies honestly at GW4's trial, GW4, the DP specification will be waived. The same thing applies to his father, GW3.
<Snipped from your post above.>Furthermore the Defendant agrees to testify concerning any crimes committed by any and all individuals targeted in the investigations and/or prosecutions resulting from his cooperation.
<Snipped from your post above.>
BBM, Anyone think this is an indication that charges will be refiled against FW? I certainly hope so. JMO