GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #67

[Chelly]

I always have found that peculiar. That until then life went on for the Wagners as if nothing had happened.

They were putting in a new barn and a new chicken coop for the kids and they had a wide variety of livestock, new baby pigs, a huge vegetable garden, nice planned out country themed decorations, a patio with fire pit, flower gardens, etc...

Angie made it clear she loved her farm. She was even posting recipes and showing off lots of photos, including grandkids in the photos.

"Just a few farm photos. This is our family, our life. We just love it!!!
Thank you God!!!"

"Our beautiful farm, everything is turning green, winter projects are getting finished..."

"just awesome...."

"Well almost done. Can't wait to be able to move our animals into the new barn."

"The kid's chickens love their new house."

Then suddenly it all changed. Suddenly she was giving up the farm she loved. The farm she said she hated to give up. The farm she called home and made money from. She had to give it up "due to family matters."

"Well, as badly as I hate to I am selling my breeding stock. Family matters have taken preference over my homestead heard."

Defiance Farms

This goes to go the Peterson Rd. Defiance Farms Facebook

Something happened in the investigation that caused the Wagners to give up the lucrative Peterson Road Farm even though BCI didn't suspect them yet.

My best guess is BCI setting up their command center in Waverly and vowing not to leave until the case was solved. At that point the Wagners realized they misjudged the LE response to the case.

That instead of it being a local Pike County homicide case, it became an entire State of Ohio case with the Attorney General and BCI involved. Also, the SM on the case was enormous and not going away as Angie discovered when she couldn't control the SM narrative in the Facebook groups.

The Wagners got worried about being caught because it finally sunk in:

This isn't going away. This wasn't turning into a cold case. There was no going back to normal life. Murder investigations do not end, this would go on for the rest of their lives, the looking over their shoulders.

Better to be in a position of being able to run and hide then to be stuck on a farm with dozens of livestock.

Yes, this ^^^^^ . The first sign something was amiss in The W family.

 

[Chelly]

We had discussed early on that FWF, the church and Crystal Springs would be good ways to laundry money. There was never any proof that it happened...

I recall early on being convinced there was a connection with BBL camp. I was so wrong.

 

[Cool Cats]

That's true. It doesn't appear the BCI or Feds investigated the finances of those businesses, possibly because there was no evidence of them being directly linked to the 4 Wagners. JMO

BCI did some type of financial investigation into the FWF Church and Crystal Springs.

From George's 4-28 Discovery
8.26 GB, 13,844 Files, 695 Folders

Crystal Springs deposits, Lucasville Mission deposits, OVD account statement from March 2018, has something to do with FWF's businesses.

FW Bank Statements, lots of FW Bank Information from various various Banks, Bank of America, Capitol One, FW statements and partial response letter,
Chase Bank, Fifth Third, Fifth Third passwords, First State Bank, Ohio Valley Bank, Sheffield Financial, Farm Credit, Merchants, Guaranty, many subpoenas for bank records.

Lots of information from FWF's computers and laptop including Google Searches, Web Histories, Web Bookmarks, Rhoden searches, PDF Documents, Screen Shots, Screen Captures, Identifiers, Word Documents, Files etc....

 

[Cool Cats]

WAGNER, IV, GEORGE WASHINGTON

02/02/2022
09:00 AM MOTION HEARING

WAGNER, III, GEORGE WASHINGTON

02/01/2022
01:30 PM PRE-TRIAL

 

[altojack]

I wonder how tomorrow pans out?

 

[altojack]

I recall early on being convinced there was a connection with BBL camp. I was so wrong.

I did too but I think that was because it was a popular local place to go. The Rhoden family used to go there of a weekend allegedly. CR did a lot of work there also, but it just gave me cause to take a stop and think what could be happening there.

 

[Covert Operative]

I wonder how tomorrow pans out?

I think BW hearing may not be so interesting unless it's a plea we are unaware of. They were suppose to meet and talk about Other Acts in December so they may address those. They also may talk about Daubert hearing. Can't really think of anything outstanding right now other than those.

I do think G4 hearing could be interesting if they get to any of the other information in regard to G4 that has been said to have come from JW proffer, if it's allowed to be said in court.

 

[FonescaFan]

As disturbing as it sounds.... imo angela was on an emotional high after "vanquishing her enemies and gaining her 'mini me'" then reality and bci came knocking

Yes, and she also somehow thought running away to Alaska would eliminate them as suspects. Magical, delusional thinking. Narcissist. I get so angry when I think of how her selfishness and greed led to the murder of eight innocent people.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, and she also somehow thought running away to Alaska would eliminate them as suspects. Magical, delusional thinking. Narcissist. I get so angry when I think of how her selfishness and greed led to the murder of eight innocent people.

Mastermind. She was monitoring the hacked Facebook Messenger accounts and reporting her findings to Jake, and downloading custody documents and forging signatures.

Plotting to accuse George's EX of child abandonment and trying to be called mom instead of grandma while threatening to kill Jake's wife's family if they dared to come see their daughter.

The list goes on and on and it is sickening. Such a leech off of her kids and grandkids, wouldn't just let them live their own lives and get a life of her own.

Motherhood at it's most evil, selfish and smothering. Barf!

 

[Puzzles8]

I think BW hearing may not be so interesting unless it's a plea we are unaware of. They were suppose to meet and talk about Other Acts in December so they may address those. They also may talk about Daubert hearing. Can't really think of anything outstanding right now other than those.

I do think G4 hearing could be interesting if they get to any of the other information in regard to G4 that has been said to have come from JW proffer, if it's allowed to be said in court.

You have to believe anything interesting will be discussed behind that big brown door, before they come out to the hearing

Call me jaded.........

 

[altojack]

Mastermind. She was monitoring the hacked Facebook Messenger accounts and reporting her findings to Jake, and downloading custody documents and forging signatures.

Plotting to accuse George's EX of child abandonment and trying to be called mom instead of grandma.

The list goes on and on and it is sickening. Such a leech off of her kids and grandkids, wouldn't just let them live their own lives and get a life of her own.

Motherhood at it's most selfish and smothering.

You're so right, especially about leeching. She just couldn't let her boys have a life in their own home, their own farm that grandma got them. Angela classed it as her farm.

She couldn't get a life of her own, she had no money, she didn't do any work. Oh sorry, she had her beloved animals on her farm which she bred and sold.

 

[altojack]

You have to believe anything interesting will be discussed behind that big brown door, before they come out to the hearing

Call me jaded.........

Hi jaded, I've got to say yes I believe that! It's always the case. We sit waiting for over an hour at times, then hey presto out they all trot. 5 minutes later it's all over and off they go.

 

[Covert Operative]

You have to believe anything interesting will be discussed behind that big brown door, before they come out to the hearing

Call me jaded.........

I have to believe you are exactly right.

 

[Cool Cats]

You have to believe anything interesting will be discussed behind that big brown door, before they come out to the hearing

Call me jaded.........

They were sopose to have discussed things in December - for Billy - behind closed doors.

The judge did say Wednesday that the attorneys on both sides will conduct a meeting away from the courthouse in December. What that meeting will center around is unknown.

Judge Randy Deering said he would hold off on making a ruling for defense motions until Billy’s final pretrial hearing in February.

The special prosecutor in the case told FOX19 NOW she hopes there will be a firm trial date set for Billy Wagner during that next hearing in February.

Billy’s defense team is questioning ballistic and shoeprint evidence that the prosecution says were found at the crime scenes.

Pike County Massacre: Wagner family patriarch returns to court

You're so right, especially about leeching. She just couldn't let her boys have a life in their own home, their own farm that grandma got them. Angela classed it as her farm.

She couldn't get a life of her own, she had no money, she didn't do any work. Oh sorry, she had her beloved animals on her farm which she bred and sold.

I believe alot of her motive was money related. Shared bank accounts meant that George and Jake's incomes were fully supporting her. Being the primary care giver for her grandkids meant she benefited from any social security, Welfare State Aid and inheritance that may have come in for them.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

You ok?

Well yes I am, thanks for asking. You?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

This is an article from last month that I hadn't seen, C. Graves authored it. Rest In Peace Lennie.

Leonard Manley, outspoken patriarch of 5 murdered in Rhoden family killings, dies

 

[Niner]

Tuesday, February 1st:
*Pretrial Hearing (@ 1:30pm ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) and a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) - for *George Washington "Billy" Wagner III (47/now 50), (Jake’s father) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (12/4/18) with 8 counts of aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 4th degree obstructing justice, 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP.
Number of shots fired at each victim (Det. Scheiderer: We know the three calibers of firearms that were used to commit these murders. a 22 caliber long rifle, a 40 caliber, and a 30 caliber) & court hearings from 12/4/18 thru 9/21/21 reference post #717 here:
GUILTY - OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #65
11/17/21 Update: Pretrial Motions hearing. State & defense are meeting in December to organize dates & times for Daubert hearings on shoe prints & ballistics; all transcripts of taped interviews have been provided to defense, all reports of evidence i.e. forensic testing & related data has been handed over to defense. Attorneys for Billy & George Wagner have said they're concerned their clients could still face the death penalty if the prosecution isn't satisfied with Jake's testimony. So, they have fought to get it officially removed. Judge Randy Deering has already denied that motion in Billy's case. His attorneys may still try to get some of the murder charges against him modified. Wagner will be going to trial. The judge denied a request from his defense attorneys to dismiss the death penalty before he goes on trial. The prosecution has said his youngest son, Edward “Jake” Wagner must testify against Billy first & that his plea agreement says the State gets to decide if he held up his end of the plea deal." So as of now GW3 still has DP on the table. Next pretrial (Daubert) hearing on 2/1/22 will hear Motions #42, 43 & 45. Motion #42: To determine the admissibility of ballistics evidence, Motion #43: The admissibility of shoe print evidence, Motion #45: The admissibility of any non-testifying co-defendant statements the State intends to present at trial.
*George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 30) – Motions hearing on 2/2/22. Trial set to begin on 4/4/22.
*Angela Jo Wagner (48/now 50) – 9/10/21: Plead guilty to a plea deal to Counts 9 thru 22, Counts 1-8 were dismissed. Will be sentenced to 30 years in prison with no early release & has to testify against others at trial.
*Edward Jacob “Jake” Wagner (26/now 29) – Plead guilty (4/22/21) to all charges & will testify at the trials.
*Rita Jo Newcomb (65/now 69) – Motion hearing on 12/2/19 entered a plea of guilty to all charges. Will testify at the trials.
*Fredericka Carol Wagner (76/now 79) – 6/26/19: Charges were dismissed without prejudice. Civil Case Hearing on 2/17/22.

 

[Antimony]

Has anyone suggested that Billy could be the one to cop a plea next?
IF'n Angela spilled the beans on Billy for some capital crimes, It could be his only way to avoid DP.

 

[Ann99]

Has anyone suggested that Billy could be the one to cop a plea next?
IF'n Angela spilled the beans on Billy for some capital crimes, It could be his only way to avoid DP.

This is an interesting thought. PreTrial Hearing would be the time to agree to a plea.

I have been wondering if Billy knows he is likely unable to escape full DP justice
and a trial would not turn out well for him. Or possible future trials on past bad acts.
He must realize this. So he may accept a plea deal.

Also wondering if Prosecution holds more over Billy or encourages Billy to plea by holding
“still possible to bring back charges against FW” as leverage. I believe FW is a card Prosecution holds.

Would Billy want to help/save his Mom?
He can’t really save himself.

Could Billy partially “save” GW4? Would he want to do that?
Could he provide info helpful to GW4. Doubt it.

Too late for Billy to help AW in any possible way.
If AW is informing Prosecution of all bad acts of BW from the past, and also naming associate names (she would almost have to name specific people) prosecution holds all those cards to use as leverage for a plea from both GW4 and BW.

Again, I think the idea about including FW still is in play too.
Any of the W’s could tell of possible incriminating info pertaining to F.
Or the reverse, and claim F never knew anything about any crimes.
Prosecution could bring back charges against F and maybe add to them. Idk.
Or prosecution could appeal to the remaining W’s to plea and all about F (if there is anything )
will fall away silently.
How much do the W’s actually think about F and the possible consequences for her?

So many possibilities, so many ways for all this to play out.
BW attorneys have been smart to be so silent.
Billy could hold the key to solving many many crimes in Ohio and even beyond.

So this leads me to wonder, who among the W’s has the most information to give to prosecutors?
Maybe regarding Rhoden Murders it would be Jake. idk. I still maintain all three W men were not 100% in each other’s sight at all times. There could be surprises to come.
For other bad acts going back in time and covering a multitude of other serious crimes and criminal associates, ( beyond what AW can provide) it would be BW.
I don’t see where G4 can contribute much to give to Prosecutors. But, maybe he can.

All this is only my opinion or thoughts.

 

[Covert Operative]

This is an interesting thought. PreTrial Hearing would be the time to agree to a plea.

I have been wondering if Billy knows he is likely unable to escape full DP justice
and a trial would not turn out well for him. Or possible future trials on past bad acts.
He must realize this. So he may accept a plea deal.

Also wondering if Prosecution holds more over Billy or encourages Billy to plea by holding
“still possible to bring back charges against FW” as leverage. I believe FW is a card Prosecution holds.

Would Billy want to help/save his Mom?
He can’t really save himself.

Could Billy partially “save” GW4? Would he want to do that?
Could he provide info helpful to GW4. Doubt it.

Too late for Billy to help AW in any possible way.
If AW is informing Prosecution of all bad acts of BW from the past, and also naming associate names (she would almost have to name specific people) prosecution holds all those cards to use as leverage for a plea from both GW4 and BW.

Again, I think the idea about including FW still is in play too.
Any of the W’s could tell of possible incriminating info pertaining to F.
Or the reverse, and claim F never knew anything about any crimes.
Prosecution could bring back charges against F and maybe add to them. Idk.
Or prosecution could appeal to the remaining W’s to plea and all about F (if there is anything )
will fall away silently.
How much do the W’s actually think about F and the possible consequences for her?

So many possibilities, so many ways for all this to play out.
BW attorneys have been smart to be so silent.
Billy could hold the key to solving many many crimes in Ohio and even beyond.

So this leads me to wonder, who among the W’s has the most information to give to prosecutors?
Maybe regarding Rhoden Murders it would be Jake. idk. I still maintain all three W men were not 100% in each other’s sight at all times. There could be surprises to come.
For other bad acts going back in time and covering a multitude of other serious crimes and criminal associates, ( beyond what AW can provide) it would be BW.
I don’t see where G4 can contribute much to give to Prosecutors. But, maybe he can.

All this is only my opinion or thoughts.

There are some surprising claims that have come recently according to JW proffer, so maybe there will be more. JW may not hold up on the stand very well for either side, possibly.

I do not believe there is any evidence linking FW to the murders.

Other than another murder by BW that can be proven with evidence that would be carry a DP, I cannot see anything that AW could tell that would put BW in a worse position than he is, that would matter to him. If he were to be found not guilty then it all would matter to him, doubt he thinks that will happen.

BW could support some of the things that it is claimed JW said in his proffer in regard to G4, if either are to be believed, that is.