GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #67

[Cool Cats]

Gotcha. Yes, I'm pretty sure your original post showing the mugshot where he has a blue shirt on but his one shoulder has the shirt pulled aside to, I assume, show a tattoo in the photo was taken last month on 12/22 when he was in court in the a.m. and then was taken to his new location later the same day. Jmo

Oh! That's why his shirt is like that, maybe to show a tattoo. I thought it was odd his shirt looks like 1/2 his shirt is pulled down with his tee shirt exposed.

For a tattoo photo it makes sense.

 

[sunshineray]

Someone here may know and reply later. Sorry I can't help you.

I just tried finding it and unless someone took a screenshot shot of the original arrested, its gone from FBI website. Only the arrest of the last two is still available. I do remember now that list of 38 disappearing from the public record. I'd forgotten that.

 

[Cool Cats]

Was there a Tracy B. in the 38 Chilly Loco bunch?

Yes. Both names in Wagner Discovery were a part of it.

Pain Clinic Owner Sentenced to 14 Years in Prison and Ordered to Forfeit $6.3 Million in Profits — FBI

 

[Ann99]

Yes. Both names in Wagner Discovery were a part of it.

Pain Clinic Owner Sentenced to 14 Years in Prison and Ordered to Forfeit $6.3 Million in Profits — FBI

CC good find, info on TB.

But look at the date on this and the dates of Chilly Loco.
I could be wrong, my thinking is - TB was not a part of CHILLY LOCO. The PILL MILL busts were a separate enterprise.

I think that would make it more interesting.

In the grand scheme of drug dealing in SW Ohio,
All three, BW, VW and TB may have known each other or may have been associates.

Two different felons from two different major drug busts were in some sort of transaction, communication w BW for some reason.

It’s just my opinion.

 

[Cool Cats]

CC good find, info on TB.

But look at the date on this and the dates of Chilly Loco.
I could be wrong, my thinking is - TB was not a part of CHILLY LOCO. The PILL MILL busts were a separate enterprise.

I think that would make it more interesting.

In the grand scheme of drug dealing in SW Ohio,
All three, BW, VW and TB may have known each other or may have been associates.

Two different felons from two different major drug busts were in some sort of transaction, communication w BW for some reason.

It’s just my opinion.

You must be right about TB, thanks.

It looks like this one - DW - was involved with Chilly Loco,
the first name listed here:

Final Defendants Apprehended in 38-Person Chillicothe Drug Trafficking Case Plead Guilty

DW is the same name listed in Billy's Discovery. So both these inmates in Billy's Discovery were involved with drugs and Billy was a drug runner.

I think Billy's involvement with drugs and maybe being involved with these transactions could be why they are in his Discovery.

Daniel W--- Request for inmate transactions (7-5-16) (1p)
Tracy B--- Request for inmate transactions (7-5-16) (1p)

 

[Ann99]

Clarification
VW= DVW

 

[Piffcat]

CC good find, info on TB.

But look at the date on this and the dates of Chilly Loco.
I could be wrong, my thinking is - TB was not a part of CHILLY LOCO. The PILL MILL busts were a separate enterprise.

I think that would make it more interesting.

In the grand scheme of drug dealing in SW Ohio,
All three, BW, VW and TB may have known each other or may have been associates.

Two different felons from two different major drug busts were in some sort of transaction, communication w BW for some reason.

It’s just my opinion.

When you have an area with a Lotta drug crime it becomes dichotomous very quickly. People have everything or nothing. Alot of Resentment and history between everyone. When it came to bud before they were growing buying 400 5000 #s at a time straight from Mexico. Thats top of food chain stuff. Weeds harmless but once the opiods hit it got so much worse everywhere. Cr was definitely in the have pile. The wagners seem imo to be type who gets big chunks of money periodically blow it all then scheme for a new chunk. Spoiled loser. Cr was very successful for his age and everyone had something good to sat about him. Helped his family and people he cared about. Spent his time making money for his kids grandkids while the coward Wagner Crime Family obsessed over him. For g3 it boiled down to envy.

 

[StrangeOne]

Just throwing this out there a lot of favors are paid off by putting money on people's books in jail. Favors can be food, drugs, passing of information, protection...anything at all really.

 

[Betty P]

It was on the last page and I remember it being under miscellaneous.

There is no mention of audio or video. I copied it exactly as it was written down.

Apparently they have a page listing the transactions the inmates were involved in. This sounds like money transactions to me, transactions usually mean money.

One theory I have is that Billy owed drug money to the inmates and the transactions are Billy putting money in the inmate's accounts. To be in Discovery it seems to me that the Wagners did transactions with these inmates involving money.

Interesting to note this is the Discovery with all the bank accounts. It makes sense to me that BCI is following a "digital" money trail straight from the Wagner's bank accounts into the 2 federal prison inmate's money accounts.

How would BCI know Billy ran drugs? One way is to follow a "digital" money trail.

Again, just a theory.

I wonder whose bank accou t Billy was using for those transactions? Recall, AC has stated the enmeshed Wagner family even pooled their finances. He used FW's online shopping accounts (Ebay). JMO that implies access to credit cards and Paypal accounts.

Way back in threads here, we tried to link the Chilly Loco perps, but couldn't quite make a connection. IIRC, there was at least one search of property linked to those folks. LE knew there was a connection, but couldn't quite make it at first.

Does Billy's connection to that crowd also explain his many cell phone records at BBL?


JMO

 

[Betty P]

Yes. Both names in Wagner Discovery were a part of it.

Pain Clinic Owner Sentenced to 14 Years in Prison and Ordered to Forfeit $6.3 Million in Profits — FBI

All those pain clinics in SW Ohio were shut down or were close to shutting down in the years before the Rhoden Massacre.

If the Wagners had been making money from some of those businesses, its possible they switched to trying to horn in on the Rhodens grow op.

 

[Cool Cats]

I wonder whose bank accou t Billy was using for those transactions? Recall, AC has stated the enmeshed Wagner family even pooled their finances. He used FW's online shopping accounts (Ebay). JMO that implies access to credit cards and Paypal accounts.

Way back in threads here, we tried to link the Chilly Loco perps, but couldn't quite make a connection. IIRC, there was at least one search of property linked to those folks. LE knew there was a connection, but couldn't quite make it at first.

Does Billy's connection to that crowd also explain his many cell phone records at BBL?


JMO

"Does Billy's connection to that crowd also explain his many cell phone records at BBL?"

Big Bear Lake (1 excel sheet)

Being a drug runner could have given Billy a connection to cell phone calls in that area. People come and go and temporarily set up camp there. Has gotten pretty "wild" there at times I've heard.

 

[Cool Cats]

All those pain clinics in SW Ohio were shut down or were close to shutting down in the years before the Rhoden Massacre.

If the Wagners had been making money from some of those businesses, its possible they switched to trying to horn in on the Rhodens grow op.

Well then it didn't work out.

If Billy was making money drug running for Chris he would want to keep the peace with him due to their working relationship making money together.

Fighting, pulling A gun, killing him, makes no sense if Chris was paying him.

Maybe Billy wanted in and Chris said no way and it contributed to tension between them. In other words, there was more than just a custody reason for Billy to kill him, bad blood besides custody. Just possible.

 

[Betty P]

Maybe Billy wanted in and Chris said no way and it contributed to tension between them. In other words, there was more than just a custody reason for Billy to kill him, bad blood besides custody. Just possible.

This has been my suspicion for a while. Chris & Kenneth were not growing in massive amounts, probably selling it at their local recreation areas (not wanting to cast aspersions on any business). Considering they were all still working hard at jobs, KR having to commute all the way to Columbus every day, etc. I don't think they were making a whole lot of money. CR1 probably saved his earnings up and used them to make the down payment on Dana's home.

If Billy had been working with the pill mill folks who were busted and sent to prison, he was probably looking for new sources of income. As we've discussed before, he was probably shaking down other small time drug dealers/meth cookers, etc. who lived on various properties owned by the Wagner family. He probably thought he could hit up Chris & Kenny for a percentage. Big mistake.

ICBW, but I don't think the Rhoden grow ops had been that big. They may have recently expanded, just prior to the murders. But I think it was mostly a "family" business, with those in the know and helping out being family members they could trust.

But yes, very interesting that the discovery docs list transactions with prisoners. The perps from local pill mill busts. Somewhere back in these threads, I posted a link to a news story from a couple years before the murders about the Adams County, OH sheriff whose wife was part owner of a pill mill.

 

[Betty P]

"Does Billy's connection to that crowd also explain his many cell phone records at BBL?"

Big Bear Lake (1 excel sheet)

Being a drug runner could have given Billy a connection to cell phone calls in that area. People come and go and temporarily set up camp there. Has gotten pretty "wild" there at times I've heard.

Right, we always assumed it was a popular regional marketplace. No offense to the owner of BBL. I remember reading there was an excel spreadsheet of calls, thinking it sounded like he had an office set up over there.

 

[Cool Cats]

Right, we always assumed it was a popular regional marketplace. No offense to the owner of BBL. I remember reading there was an excel spreadsheet of calls, thinking it sounded like he had an office set up over there.

I think the excel sheet of calls is something BCI was able to get during their digital forensics audit of the Wagner phones. I don't think Billy is sophisticated enough to set up his own office using excel spreadsheets in a temporary camp ground.

I think Billy was on the more physical side of it, running the drugs as it says in the Other Acts Evidence.

I read an article (I'm trying to find) where a neighbor of FWF says that the Wagners would "go off" on people for every little thing and that Billy was always trying to sell him something, which leads me to suspect some stolen items.

I see Billy as the "muscle" of any criminal activity, not the "brains," such as:

Stealing and trying to sell items to random people not thinking it through, lighting buildings on his property on fire, being a driver for drug runs, threatening and intimidating anyone he felt threatened his criminal pursuits, quick to pull his gun in a fit of road rage or in a fight, haphazardly and carelessly hiding stolen merchandise in his shed, etc.....

I don't even see him as the brains behind the mortgage fraud or the computer hacking, for that we have Angela with her laptop. Angela with her penchant for downloading and drawing up fraudulent custody documents and spying on people through hacked Facebook messenger accounts.

Evidence leads me to believe it was Jake who spearheaded building the silencers and brass catchers that apparently didn't work, with Billy being the tough guy showing off with poor impulse control. The guy who helps murder 8 people then thinks it's a good idea to get an 8 segmented scorpion tattoo on his trigger finger.

We all saw the photo of his trigger finger without the tattoo and then we saw it in court photos. Evidence that points to him having the tattoo put on after he murdered 8 people as some type of tough guy bragging rights.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

What about the man named in the first document that LE had in the discovery, he had like 8 different cell phones, remember he lived close to Chris Sr, that guy will be a valuable witness for the prosecution, JMO he probably saw what happened the night of the murders and also knows what kind of business was going on. I really think that DS, BJM and JM will cripple the Wagners case, one thing I am really waiting to see is what Hanna Mays boyfriend will say if he is called to testify, he knows what kind of threats that George and Billy did towards the Rhodens family. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

What about the man named in the first document that LE had in the discovery, he had like 8 different cell phones, remember he lived close to Chris Sr, that guy will be a valuable witness for the prosecution, JMO he probably saw what happened the night of the murders and also knows what kind of business was going on. I really think that DS, BJM and JM will cripple the Wagners case, one thing I am really waiting to see is what Hanna Mays boyfriend will say if he is called to testify, he knows what kind of threats that George and Billy did towards the Rhodens family. JMO

I think #8 where it says Hanna had 2 residences could be her boyfriend CH's residence. Someone had posted that they had talked marriage.
When she was over there Jake had someone spying on her and this information could have come from CH.

They would have interviewed him and I agree he could be a witness to threats, also spying, custody fights, Jake's trying to control Hanna, Billy's fight with Chris, and many other things he was privy to.

Plus all the things she told him from what happened in the past like threats to kill her then wanting custody and control of the new baby.

Wonder who Jake asked to spy on Hanna?

https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org
Other Acts Evidence filed in Common Pleas Court on 2-22-21

 

[Johnny B Bad]

In Ohio doesn’t accessory to murders get you a death penalty/ life with no mercy, GW4 attorneys logic behind trying to have the death penalty dropped is just trying to show how dumb jurors are, they think if no death penalty than they can convince a jury into a light, if no jail sentence at all for the 8 murders, I hope that all people in Ohio remember what these attorneys are trying to do, what I’m having a hard time believing is that as hot headed George Wagner iv is he went all the way to the Rhodens homes and has a gun in his hands than gets remorse and gives the gun to Jake and Billy telling his father and brother that he is to bigger chicken to shoot anyone that night, (Bull Crap) if that is true they could not trust GW4 anymore, I can’t see GW4 not trying to help his family, in the recording that LE has, GW4 is always putting Jake down for his religion, getting them into trouble over some woman, how would the rest of the Wagners let GW4 talk so big and bad if he couldn’t help the family on the night of the murders, and if he felt remorse towards the Rhodens family the night of the massacre why didn’t he try to talk Jake and Billy out of the killings, I never heard one time from George Wagner iv attorneys say that GW4 tried to get Jake and Billy not to commit the murders that night, not once but the attorneys are quick to say that Jake made a statement that GW4 didn’t shoot no one, again I call Bull Crap! JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I think #8 where it says Hanna had 2 residences could be her boyfriend CH's residence. Someone had posted that they had talked marriage.
When she was over there Jake had someone spying on her and this information could have come from CH.

They would have interviewed him and I agree he could be a witness to threats, also spying, custody fights, Jake's trying to control Hanna, Billy's fight with Chris, and many other things he was privy to.

Plus all the things she told him from what happened in the past like threats to kill her then wanting custody and control of the new baby.

Wonder who Jake asked to spy on Hanna?

https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org
Other Acts Evidence filed in Common Pleas Court on 2-22-21

I always thought the two different residents was Dana’s home before she moved to the new house, also CC I read a article in May or June 2016 that Dana had hired Angela to paint some in her new house (Again I can’t find the article now so it is rumor) I wonder how all the devices got planted into the homes of the Rhodens, the Wagners could monitor the Rhodens habits of the days and night, the Wagner s monitor them for months before the murders so GW4 could have spoken up anytime to stop it from happening, IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

In Ohio doesn’t accessory to murders get you a death penalty/ life with no mercy, GW4 attorneys logic behind trying to have the death penalty dropped is just trying to show how dumb jurors are, they think if no death penalty than they can convince a jury into a light, if no jail sentence at all for the 8 murders, I hope that all people in Ohio remember what these attorneys are trying to do, what I’m having a hard time believing is that as hot headed George Wagner iv is he went all the way to the Rhodens homes and has a gun in his hands than gets remorse and gives the gun to Jake and Billy telling his father and brother that he is to bigger chicken to shoot anyone that night, (Bull Crap) if that is true they could not trust GW4 anymore, I can’t see GW4 not trying to help his family, in the recording that LE has, GW4 is always putting Jake down for his religion, getting them into trouble over some woman, how would the rest of the Wagners let GW4 talk so big and bad if he couldn’t help the family on the night of the murders, and if he felt remorse towards the Rhodens family the night of the massacre why didn’t he try to talk Jake and Billy out of the killings, I never heard one time from George Wagner iv attorneys say that GW4 tried to get Jake and Billy not to commit the murders that night, not once but the attorneys are quick to say that Jake made a statement that GW4 didn’t shoot no one, again I call Bull Crap! JMO

They like to emphasize that George "shot nobody" because that's the only way to detract from the truth that even they admit:

They admit that Jake does have George as being complicit in the murders.

To try to get around this they try to obscure it by saying George had no intent in the murders.

Defense = Shot nobody + no intent.

Canepa:

"Defense admits the prosecution has George as being complicit in all the charges but George had no intent towards any of it."

So even though George didn't try to stop it, as you say, and was involved in the conspiracy of it and was physically present at the murder scenes and assisted at the scenes and assisted with the cover up afterward, etc...

Even though he did all this, he is still innocent because he really didn't have any intent to commit 8 murders.

This is what the defense wants the jury to believe.

I believe it's very possible that the jury will believe George in fact did shoot someone that night. The prosecution does not say George did not shoot anyone, just that Jake doesn't say he did in his proffer. The prosecution says that's a distinction.

The prosecution also says Jake has been caught contradicting himself in the proffer.

Also, 3 guns were involved amongst other evidence.