Anybody know much of the 2nd JW wife. Dang... didn't she watch the news?
At lunch today the Oxygen channel showing Piketown Murders... but before AW pled.
I had to go to a funeral earlier today for a good friend - so I will grab all the tweets in the morning - just too tired right now to do them - I hope you all don't mind...
Yeah, she was giving, all right. It's amazing how much PR magic that family was able to work in the news and social media. They had some people feeling more sympathy for their wretched souls than the victims.Yes... kept saying over and over what a prominent family the Wagner's were... Fredericka was so giving to the locality.
WEll, apparently she WAS giving of controlled narcotic medication to her son.Yes... kept saying over and over what a prominent family the Wagner's were... Fredericka was so giving to the locality.
Based on the recess already, I have a feeling Angela or Jake will be testifying tomorrow!
Is the big grey/blue barn where the silencer was finally discovered?
if so, he should mention that to give it more meaning and context, importance.
Yup. When a woman leaves a man is the most dangerous time in the relationship. Add mommy dearest as the instigator with Billy also having a beef to revenge, it was the perfect storm.This comes at random, but wanted to share my thoughts anyway. All are IMHO: After having watched testimony Monday-Wednesday this week (Oct.-3-5), here is now my thinking on why all 8 really had to go in the mind of the Wagner's. JW was always expecting HR to come back to him and when she finally got together with CH and was really happy and making long term plans, JW started thining if I can't have you then no one can. Getting sole custody of SW and getting her away from CH's sister and her wife was an added bonus; IIRC they lived very close by to where CH and HR were going to live. IMO all the Wagner's had issues with his sister having a wife. Of course CRSr. and DR could either hinder JW getting custody himself or get custody of S themselves. IIRC, HR said in FB messages to TC that she had a smart uncle that could help her get custody of S. That IMO was most likely KR. Also, BW said in his interview from the parking lot that CRSr, KR, and GR were very close and always together. So IMO they could of known alot about HR's troubles with the W's. IMO-FR was very protective of HR and was particularly unhappy with JW (think about the FB messages that were not allowed from a female and male source. I rewound the Law and Crime Youtube feed to read them. They were shown quite clear on the screen from that feed). HHG and little Chris were just there so had to go, too. Again, just wanted to share my thoughts because to me things became alot clearer after having listened to the testimony on those days. Again all IMO and yes I know there has already been alot of discussion in the past about why all of those 8.
If they want to finish up firearms, they need Jake to testify about where the guns were stashed and how he told LE where to find them.We still have their voice recordings (after return from Alaska) and is JW’s 2nd wife on the witness list? If so, probably her testimony; then there’s the threats GW made. I think we might hear all the wire tap convos before we get to JW & AW. Just a guess.
Interesting observations. I think Gary was killed only because he was there living with Chris at the time. Collateral damage. Hannah G was likely collateral damage or Jake shooting her 5 times was revenge on her brother having Hanna's baby. This would hurt Charley G.This comes at random, but wanted to share my thoughts anyway. All are IMHO: After having watched testimony Monday-Wednesday this week (Oct.-3-5), here is now my thinking on why all 8 really had to go in the mind of the Wagner's. JW was always expecting HR to come back to him and when she finally got together with CH and was really happy and making long term plans, JW started thining if I can't have you then no one can. Getting sole custody of SW and getting her away from CH's sister and her wife was an added bonus; IIRC they lived very close by to where CH and HR were going to live. IMO all the Wagner's had issues with his sister having a wife. Of course CRSr. and DR could either hinder JW getting custody himself or get custody of S themselves. IIRC, HR said in FB messages to TC that she had a smart uncle that could help her get custody of S. That IMO was most likely KR. Also, BW said in his interview from the parking lot that CRSr, KR, and GR were very close and always together. So IMO they could of known alot about HR's troubles with the W's. IMO-FR was very protective of HR and was particularly unhappy with JW (think about the FB messages that were not allowed from a female and male source. I rewound the Law and Crime Youtube feed to read them. They were shown quite clear on the screen from that feed). HHG and little Chris were just there so had to go, too. Again, just wanted to share my thoughts because to me things became alot clearer after having listened to the testimony on those days. Again all IMO and yes I know there has already been alot of discussion in the past about why all of those 8.
I agree completely with all of this.This comes at random, but wanted to share my thoughts anyway. All are IMHO: After having watched testimony Monday-Wednesday this week (Oct.-3-5), here is now my thinking on why all 8 really had to go in the mind of the Wagner's. JW was always expecting HR to come back to him and when she finally got together with CH and was really happy and making long term plans, JW started thining if I can't have you then no one can. Getting sole custody of SW and getting her away from CH's sister and her wife was an added bonus; IIRC they lived very close by to where CH and HR were going to live. IMO all the Wagner's had issues with his sister having a wife. Of course CRSr. and DR could either hinder JW getting custody himself or get custody of S themselves. IIRC, HR said in FB messages to TC that she had a smart uncle that could help her get custody of S. That IMO was most likely KR. Also, BW said in his interview from the parking lot that CRSr, KR, and GR were very close and always together. So IMO they could of known alot about HR's troubles with the W's. IMO-FR was very protective of HR and was particularly unhappy with JW (think about the FB messages that were not allowed from a female and male source. I rewound the Law and Crime Youtube feed to read them. They were shown quite clear on the screen from that feed). HHG and little Chris were just there so had to go, too. Again, just wanted to share my thoughts because to me things became alot clearer after having listened to the testimony on those days. Again all IMO and yes I know there has already been alot of discussion in the past about why all of those 8.
Oh yes IMO if Gary wasn't there with Chris Sr, he would most likely not have been killed. I just thought that becaue he did live with CR that he probably confided in GR alot. I don't think the W's would have went to Kentucky to kill him or waited to make sure he was home at that time.Interesting observations. I think Gary was killed only because he was there living with Chris at the time. Collateral damage. Hannah G was likely collateral damage or Jake shooting her 5 times was revenge on her brother having Hanna's baby. This would hurt Charley G.
I am beginning to wonder if Kenny knew about the late night meeting with Chris. Chris could have mentioned telling Kenny. This means Kenny could directly place Billy going to Chris's house that night so he had to go.
Just makes me wonder.
I can't wait to hear the exact story Jake tells. There are so many pieces I just can't quite see where they fit yet.Interesting observations. I think Gary was killed only because he was there living with Chris at the time. Collateral damage. Hannah G was likely collateral damage or Jake shooting her 5 times was revenge on her brother having Hanna's baby. This would hurt Charley G.
I am beginning to wonder if Kenny knew about the late night meeting with Chris. Chris could have mentioned telling Kenny. This means Kenny could directly place Billy going to Chris's house that night so he had to go.
Just makes me wonder.
I second this. The jury will get frustrated and that’s not good.I am compelled to agree with @RAISINISBACK. AC is waisting too much of the jury's time pointing out the Wagners are a bad family. The jury gets that by now. AC needs to begin focusing on George's involvement.
I believe Billy had a motive also. In fact at this point in the trial I believe Billy had a stronger motive than even Jake or Angie did. Not prepared to trot that out yet but there are some things said about Billy that are kind of adding up in my mind. When I get it clear in my own mind I will post to see what all of you think.To me, today was about showing why the Wags went to the top of the suspect list, from the gun list to Billy's behavior and the lies he told in the interview to things like Jake asking what Brentley saw.
It's worth remembering that George is the one Wagner that has doesn't have a OBVIOUS connection to the murders. Jake confessed to killing 5 people and has the obvious motive against the Rhodens. Billy is the means of getting CR Sr. out of his house to shoot him. Angela (and her mother, yet to testify) is all up in the counterfeit custody papers, ordering shoes, and monitoring Hanna's FB. The defense made the idiotic point that LE didn't collect George's phone. But they don't need it because what the state wants to show is the conspiracy, so when they take Jake and Billy's phones, they get all the messages that George sent (like his warning to Billy that LE was on site) and the gun list. What THAT shows is George as part of the larger conspiracy, along with two people who have CONFESSED and another one we heard lying and obfuscating and acting like a douche in a police interview today. That's what we need--George working with the others to plan, execute and coverup the murders. And the foundation for that comes with the way he let his mother run his marriage. If he would let her control his sex life, his wife, and his child, how would he not be part of this big murder plan?