OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #81

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/PiketonMassacre

Oct 26
What do you think the verdict in George Wagner's trial will be?

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  Guilty
  92.6%
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  Not Guilty
  7.4%

95 votes·Final results

 

[arielilane]

Pike County murder trial: Murders were about protection, not custody, said Angela

Defense attorneys resume cross examination of Angela Wagner, whose son is on trial for the murders of eight people in Pike County in 2016.

www.wcpo.com

Angela said she is more than sorry, but conceded she knew that wasn't enough.

It all came down to Sophia, she said; the girl was just a baby, and Angela's family, so she felt she had to kill to protect her.

Angela said the murders were not about custody — as then-Attorney General Mike DeWine announced when the Wagners were arrested — but about protecting Sophia. The Wagners believed Hanna May wouldn't do anything to prevent Sophia from being abused.

She reiterated that, while Hanna May was the main target for the homicides, the Wagners believed only killing her would lead to retaliation from the Rhoden family.

She said it was true that George helped the family in planning the murders and covering it up afterward, though she said to this day she doesn't know who shot whom the night of April 21, 2016.

Canepa and Nash finished questioning Angela and she stepped down from the witness stand Thursday afternoon. Next, the prosecution called Katy Wagner to the stand; Katy also opted out of being recorded during her testimony.

Katy is Billy's niece and George and Jake's cousin; several other witnesses have testified Billy gifted Katy the pick-up truck used as transportation in the murders.

On the morning of April 22, 2016, before the sun began to rise, Katy said Billy showed up at her home in Athens County and told her he had a surprise for her.

She told the jury she'd told her uncle previously to be on the lookout for a truck for her, because she'd wanted one; when he showed up that morning, he told her he'd gotten the black pick-up from her great uncle, Todd.

She had the title transferred into her name later that day, she said. Eventually, when they tracked it down, agents with the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigations seized it, though it was no longer in working condition by that time.

Katy said both Jake and George tried calling her family from jail, but no one answered their calls.

 

[iridized]

https://twitter.com/PiketonMassacre

Oct 26
What do you think the verdict in George Wagner's trial will be?

• 
  Guilty
  92.6%
• 
  Not Guilty
  7.4%

95 votes·Final results

That poll was more than a week ago. They need to do a current poll.

 

[justtrish]

So wonder if Katy was done on the stand. It was hard to tell from the video if defense declined to cross examine her, if AC was done with her or if they just were stopping for the day and Katy will resume tomorrow.

 

[arielilane]

There are not too many tweeting right now.

 

[arielilane]

https://local12.com/news/local/defe...ike-county-ohio-rhoden-gilley-testify-mother#

Angela said, "I have regret. I have remorse. And I am more than sorry, but that's not enough. She (her granddaughter) was a baby. She was family."

She also told the court that she never wactually wanted anyone to be murdered but she was trying to protect her family.

Defense attorney Richard Nash repeatedly got Angela to admit that she dragged her mother, Rita Newcomb, into the murder plot with the forged custody documents.

Newcomb was initially charged with a felony forgery charge but after telling authorities the truth, she pleaded to a misdemeanor obstruction charge and agreed to testify.

Angela Wagner also agreed to testify against any family member who took their case to trial. She declined to go on camera for her testimony, however.

She said she took the deal for 30 years in prison in hopes she could see her grandchildren at some point.

When asked if getting the equivalent of four years for each of the eight victims, she replied, That's not how I understand it". But, she admitted that the math does add up that way.

 

[Pru2U]

Something I've been thinking about is how much Chris Sr knew about Billy's dealings. Then think about Chris N also knowing much of what they were up to. That wreck in George's truck that almost killed CN. Was that part of the plan? Maybe because Chris N knew too much?

Billy knew exactly what Chris Sr knew about his dealings. I am sure since Billy knew about Chris Sr grow they had a mutual understanding they didn't talk about it or rat each other out, but I still wonder if Billy had motive to get rid of Chris Sr because he knew about things. I really am curious about the fight they had the week before. I don't think it was rumor, but what would it have been about?

Just my opinion here.. but Billy seems reckless with his criminal activity. He was on drugs and hot headed, he seems like the type to sell someone out to save himself (shocked he didn't take a deal in light of hearing how he threw every drug dealer in Ohio under the bus in that one 2 hour interview). He didn't want to rat out Chris Sr for the grow, because he knew Chris Sr knew all about his dealings and I suspect Kenneth knew all about it as well.

Question I wonder though is why would Chris Sr agree to a meeting with Billy about a drug deal. I feel like by this point Chris Sr should have been plenty weary about Billy and his ways.

I honestly believe they did not intend for CN to get hurt anywhere near as bad as he did. It sounds to me like CN, being the good ole boy he is, thought it would be fun to crash a truck on purpose. Maybe get banged up a little but nothing too serious. I 100% believe he agreed to sue & split any insurance money but as it turned out, he needed it for medical bills. Just the life flight alone can cost between $15-$20k. I’m looking at a bill right now for $18k from my sister’s stroke - and that was just a hospital to hospital transfer. No emergency treatment.

I said the day he testified, just the way he talked CN reminded me of a toned down Billy. I was even closer than I thought.

 

[CIA Team Member]

Billy and the other wagners did have a rather chaotic criminal enterprise.

Billy and the Wagners did have a pretty chaotic criminal enterprise. Amazing they got away with as much as they did. Chris Sr was much more sophisticated in his activities, careful and focused. I think Chris probably trusted Billy as a friend, but not enough to be in real business together. But if the Wagners had only killed Hannah May, the Rhodens would have known who did it, or at least a very very very VERY strong suspicion. Chris Sr knew enough about Billy to totally blow up the Wagners. So when the plot to kill Hannah began, I'm sure Billy knew immediately that Chris sr. would have to be killed too.

Kenneth's wife, Stacie, said right from the get go the reason he was killed was cuz he'd kill them (the murderers).

 

[Pru2U]

https://twitter.com/PiketonMassacre

Oct 26
What do you think the verdict in George Wagner's trial will be?

• 
  Guilty
  92.6%
• 
  Not Guilty
  7.4%

95 votes·Final results

I saw a good question posed by The Docket the other day:

If you could ask the prosecution OR defense in this case one question, what would you ask?

 

[Pru2U]

Most all criminals do. It's the lifestyle that they truly love.

When CN testified Billy was lazy and worthless “as t!ts on a boar hog”, then Randa testified “Chris mostly watched, (build the barn) he’s not much of a worker” BAH!Hahaha! I fell out.

 

[CIA Team Member]

https://local12.com/news/local/defe...ike-county-ohio-rhoden-gilley-testify-mother#

Angela said, "I have regret. I have remorse. And I am more than sorry, but that's not enough. She (her granddaughter) was a baby. She was family."

She also told the court that she never wactually wanted anyone to be murdered but she was trying to protect her family.

Defense attorney Richard Nash repeatedly got Angela to admit that she dragged her mother, Rita Newcomb, into the murder plot with the forged custody documents.

Newcomb was initially charged with a felony forgery charge but after telling authorities the truth, she pleaded to a misdemeanor obstruction charge and agreed to testify.

Angela Wagner also agreed to testify against any family member who took their case to trial. She declined to go on camera for her testimony, however.

She said she took the deal for 30 years in prison in hopes she could see her grandchildren at some point.

When asked if getting the equivalent of four years for each of the eight victims, she replied, That's not how I understand it". But, she admitted that the math does add up that way.

IMO, AW will not see those grandkids outside of prison. That family isn't healthy looking to begin with, then go into jail with poor dietary foods, little sun, poor health care, etc.
I don't see AW and will never walk out of that jail. Unless on a gurney.

 

[rsd1200]

When CN testified Billy was lazy and worthless “as t!ts on a boar hog”, then Randa testified “Chris mostly watched, (build the barn) he’s not much of a worker” BAH!Hahaha! I fell out.

I know! Hysterical! Birds of a feather. He may not have liked him much but that's not a problem most times. Kiss and make up when there's new easy money to be had!

 

[joe jones]

I wonder when we will get another live witness, I wonder if AW said the comments about GW saying they were his footprints the first time she sat down to do her deal, or did it take more than one time to get her to throw him under the bus,

JW waited until July of this year before he gave the state testimony that BW shot FR, I wonder if AW had to be encouraged to give up GW

we will only know if all the proffer interviews are released, just releasing the final document does not tell the whole story,

and AW saying she just couldn't allow JW to have to testify against her, but she was willing to testify against her son in exchange for the hope one day that she will see her grandchildren, she is delusional if any of the parents who are now raising her grandchildren allow her anywhere near them (they should be given a lifetime restraining order against any of the Wagners they choose, but especially AW as I fear she is plotting and scheming in jail to try to find people who will keep tabs on BLW and SW whilst she is in prison, I also think JW is doing the same, one of his many prison girlfriends as he will have many may be manipulated into keeping tabs on SW) and her grandchildren IMO will want to have nothing to do with her once released,

 

[Skully67]

IMO, AW will not see those grandkids outside of prison. That family isn't healthy looking to begin with, then go into jail with poor dietary foods, little sun, poor health care, etc.
I don't see AW and will never walk out of that jail. Unless on a gurney.

It would surprise me if the Gkids would ever want to see or talk to the Wagner family.

 

[Skully67]

I wonder when we will get another live witness, I wonder if AW said the comments about GW saying they were his footprints the first time she sat down to do her deal, or did it take more than one time to get her to throw him under the bus,

JW waited until July of this year before he gave the state testimony that BW shot FR, I wonder if AW had to be encouraged to give up GW

we will only know if all the proffer interviews are released, just releasing the final document does not tell the whole story,

and AW saying she just couldn't allow JW to have to testify against her, but she was willing to testify against her son in exchange for the hope one day that she will see her grandchildren, she is delusional if any of the parents who are now raising her grandchildren allow her anywhere near them (they should be given a lifetime restraining order against any of the Wagners they choose, but especially AW as I fear she is plotting and scheming in jail to try to find people who will keep tabs on BLW and SW whilst she is in prison, I also think JW is doing the same, one of his many prison girlfriends as he will have many may be manipulated into keeping tabs on SW) and her grandchildren IMO will want to have nothing to do with her once released,

If I were the Gkids, I'd change my name so the Wagners couldn't find me.

 

[ohioexpat63]

IMO, AW will not see those grandkids outside of prison. That family isn't healthy looking to begin with, then go into jail with poor dietary foods, little sun, poor health care, etc.
I don't see AW and will never walk out of that jail. Unless on a gurney.

Id like to know how many (percentage) people live past 80 while incarcerated.

 

[rsd1200]

IMO, AW will not see those grandkids outside of prison. That family isn't healthy looking to begin with, then go into jail with poor dietary foods, little sun, poor health care, etc.
I don't see AW and will never walk out of that jail. Unless on a gurney.

Most, but not all, will have some sort of job after sentencing. They'll have opportunity for gym time and outdoor facility (unless covid keeps a lock on that in Ohio's populations). Health care in the state prison isn't awful but it's not great. You get eyewear, dental, meds, and mental health. I don't think she gets good time, so going to classes will probably only benefit her to stop some of the boredom. She doesn't look much worse for wear yet and JW actually looks healthier, as does GW4. If they live off of commissary, say goodbye to trimming down and hello to heart disease.

 

[Piffcat]

imo this was a terrible miscalculation by the prosecutors and using angela. all they did is give her a pulpit to spew her vile hatred. if the prosecutors knew her testimony would include these baseless allegations why the hell would they even put her up there??? they legitimized this slanderous evil woman and she played them. disgusting person that she is. anytime an allegation like this is made the media will run with it they will mention it and now youve polluted the victims justice. up until angela the abuse accusations had no credibility they were vague and mostly about jakes concern a new boyfriend may hurt suds etc. this is an obvious plow like 100 other things jw did in that abusive relationship. all the other people who were accused made it all seem laughable and so obviously a lie. but now you put this piece of human garbage up here and shes actually reciting direct sexual abuse allegations on some of the very people that were slaughtered behind this same lie. i dont care if we think no one will believe it, because some in this country love to take any devils advocate position to discusss it. theyve legitimized angela wagners mania in my eyes and its terrible

 

[rsd1200]

I am thinking BW was a little/lot jealous of CR Sr. Didn't mind at all him being included in the killing.

He didn't even allow AW to speak to him and I don't think it was fear of her finding out their biz dealings. I'd say CR1 was more professional than that.

 

[joe jones]

IMO, AW will not see those grandkids outside of prison. That family isn't healthy looking to begin with, then go into jail with poor dietary foods, little sun, poor health care, etc.
I don't see AW and will never walk out of that jail. Unless on a gurney.

I think differently, prison seems to suit some people, I think AW will have her gang, she will be the leader, and she will manipulate them to do her bidding, I fully expect she will try her hardest to keep tabs on her grandkids in prison, she isn't without means, as she has her father's house and whatever money she inherited from him, (not all of it legally declared income as her father was a drug dealer). CN is living in her house we do not know if he pays her rent for the house, or if he will pay rent once her mother and grandmother move back to their house.