OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#38

[Dudly]

Do any of you think the 4 had a plan for G3 to take the rap, should they ever be arrested?

Also, we’ve all seen this.......parents attempt to raise boys to be “Billy bad butts”. I think this is the case here. If truth be known, w/o mom & dad at their sides, I bet both boys are scared crapless. If they have the IQ to understand the severity of their situations. I’m uncertain to their education level. Only because I have a vision I can’t shake, of what “home schooling” involved, in their home. Are the boys lying on their bunks thinking grandma F will rescue them? Idk

I personally knew someone that was home schooled till grade four. Well, when he started public school they put him in grade four instead of six. He couldn't write in cursive and printing was basically illegible. He could not name a river in his state or name a state bordering his. His school and teachers were great and tutored him incessantly. By grade 11 he was on the honor roll.

I also knew some one that went to public school to grade eight. He could not spell dog or cat and could not tell time. How in the world was that allowed to happen?

 

[Satchie]

And as far as the CI, I’m torn between RW/RAW. I’m probably wrong. For now tho, my mind can’t wrap around the 4 discussing 8 murders in front of anyone, other than family. In fact, I’ve entertained thoughts along the line of them talking about their dirty deeds in a barn, then realizing there was a tenant or a laborer within earshot, that person prob’ would’ve gone missing. As in forever.

If, just IF, the CI is RAW, I can see where not only morally he would report to LE but also, with his mom elderly, his dad deceased, there could possibly be concerns his mom might liquidate, hire lawyers and lose everything. As far as RW (or anyone), it’s best to continue on “normally”, (if RW is CI), not giving any indication something is amiss.

Idk, pure speculation on my part, but a couple of the 4 appear to me as tho they might have “temper” issues.
So, tiptoe on the ole eggshells or get the heck away.

It's also occurred to me, this talk about getting revenge on LE could well have happened without admitting they'd committed the 8 murders.

Because I can't imagine they'd openly admit their guilt to RAW, or RW, or even FW. I don't think they would go around confessing to anyone.

Everyone knew they were under police laser focus, and some knew about the grand jury. So they might have felt comfortable discussing what they'd do if they were arrested, in the context of how they were being unfairly persecuted.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

I said earlier that I imagined G3 working with his father on the farm since he left school early. That was my guess.

But I did not realize he has an older brother who might have occupied this spot before he did. Therefore I wonder if it was difficult for G3 to find his place during his teenage years.

It's just a thought, questions I have.

 

[rsd1200]

rsd~I so agree with this post. And as far as the CI, I’m torn between RW/RAW. I’m probably wrong. For now tho, my mind can’t wrap around the 4 discussing 8 murders in front of anyone, other than family. In fact, I’ve entertained thoughts along the line of them talking about their dirty deeds in a barn, then realizing there was a tenant or a laborer within earshot, that person prob’ would’ve gone missing. As in forever.

If, just IF, the CI is RAW, I can see where not only morally he would report to LE but also, with his mom elderly, his dad deceased, there could possibly be concerns his mom might liquidate, hire lawyers and lose everything. As far as RW (or anyone), it’s best to continue on “normally”, (if RW is CI), not giving any indication something is amiss.

Idk, pure speculation on my part, but a couple of the 4 appear to me as tho they might have “temper” issues.
So, tiptoe on the ole eggshells or get the heck away.

I agree. Whoever heard it, I believe was family, or very trusted, almost like family, to them. Then after they overheard what they did, they kept it close to vest, and it was believed that they'd never rat them out. I truly think it's a family member though.

 

[buttonbaby]

I agree. Whoever heard it, I believe was family, or very trusted, almost like family, to them. Then after they overheard what they did, they kept it close to vest, and it was believed that they'd never rat them out. I truly think it's a family member though.

ITA! No way are any of the four Ws going to be talking about ANY of this in front of a housekeeper, horse trainer, or farm hand. Someone VERY close is my impression as well, and IMHO, a family member... they had the most to lose, and definitely the most to fear.

 

[Trudie]

bbm, TRUDIE (you just surprise me so often with your thoughts.) Gallows humor isn't it? Attorneys representing defendants always judge their success by "the number disgusting criminals they have arranged to be housed for the rest of their miserable lives" at the expense of tax payers. I wonder how many DP attorneys can actually say they got their client declared innocent?
Hypothetical ad: Hire me if you are facing the DP because 8 out of 10 murderers are happy with my results.

Levity aside, I guess if the DP client is still breathing, it’s a WIN WIN, huh?
Youth & female gender are the best candidates for getting LWOP rather than DP. Their tends to be sympathy for them & it’s not unusual for a juror to think i the person can be a “productive citizen”, behind bars. I’ve never understood what they mean, make license plates faster, perhaps?
The attorney must make it crystal clear to his client if he goes to trial & is found guilty, he risks the DP.
Idk how it works with so many accused involved. I have read the trials MUST be individual because they are DP cases.
I do think someone is going to pull the “Not I” excuse. “I mighta been there but I didn’t shoot”. Can’t you hear it now? But which one will it be? How will the other 3 feel?
If they were released on bond they’d kill each other & probably a few more. As I said last night, IF there is a “Doe”, the 4 know his identity. And, I truly lean more towards RAW. He has done well in life, his daughter is making it big in the equine world, his youngest is in school, He’s established in his community. Think of the shame he must feel. We can assume his youngest child is now an outcast, ridiculed, etc., all because of his uncle. These kind of crimes leave many victims.

 

[rsd1200]

BBM

The post he made after the murders shows they were at his March 5th, 2016 concert. I don’t have time to search it but it is on Upchurch’s fb. Here’s the photo HMR posted on 3/27/16 with Upchurch on the right.

Hanna May Rhoden

Ok there is no way this picture of Hanna was taken March 5, 2016. She was pregnant with little KR at that time. That would have been a little over a month before she gave birth. In this picture she has a flat stomach. In the pictures of her at the baby shower less than a month later her stomach is huge. No way she grew that much in a month. She posted it on March 27, 2016 but there is no way it was taken on March 5 2016.

JMO

She was seeing CH though. It's right. Had to be after Aug. 2015, and he remembered them out of all those people. HMR was known to wear corsets too... She stated so on SM. When I was her age, and pregnant, I could disguise it when I wanted. Not everyone wants to wear skin tight, cling to every raised stretch mark, shirts and dresses, like seems to be the trend these days. Some folks didn't know I was pregnant til I came home with a baby.

 

[rsd1200]

Ditto. I think he’s had his “way” most of his life. Well into adulthood his mom likely “helped” him. After the kids were born, she was compelled to continue, always hopin he might change.
Assisting someone or paying their way out of stealing some farm implements is quite different than paying them out of 8 murders.

He's the baby too. 8-9 years younger than his sibs. Moms always hold out hope. No mother ever dreams that their child will someday become a murderer. Not to mention his whole family too!

 

[Trudie]

I agree. Whoever heard it, I believe was family, or very trusted, almost like family, to them. Then after they overheard what they did, they kept it close to vest, and it was believed that they'd never rat them out. I truly think it's a family member though.

Another thought, FW knew this was eventually going to happen. She could hope otherwise but realistically after appearing in front of the GJ she had to know. She may be grateful it’s over and no one else was killed (that we know of) because I think G3 has a heck of a temper that he can’t control & was always armed. Again....”tiptoe around G3, don’t ire him, he might shoot you”, was probably quite common.

Briefly, I know a guy that shot and seriously wounded his mom because she would not give him a million dollar check. Yes, they are wealthy. The father jumped in to save mom & took a bullet to the brain. In court the son said “I would’ve never hurt my dad. If my mom gave me money she wouldn’t be crippled.” Umm, he was 45, college grad. What about a job? Earn money. Entitlement! Nothing else. He is LWOP.

 

[rsd1200]

Not that it means anything, I believe some print articles allude to GW3 as the “group leader”. Any of you ever notice this? I’ve exhausted all my free reads for my lifetime, so I can’t go back to find them.

Also, IMO, FW seems to favor JW, according to a few print articles, she expresses JW’s innocence during a couple of interviews.

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[Trudie]

He's the baby too. 8-9 years younger than his sibs. Moms always hold out hope. No mother ever dreams that their child will someday become a murderer. Not to mention his whole family too!

ITA. It bothers me when people cast blame on the extended family of a murderer. He was very fortunate to be raised in a family that was not struggling to feed him. He had every opportunity to be someone, like his siblings.

With much older siblings he was probably more than spoiled. The siblings probably catered to his every need and he grew up getting his way, getting what he wanted, if not, he threw a tantrum. History repeated itself. He had a huge tantrum this time.

If he’s as hot headed as he looks, he may not make it to trial. He could suffer a heart attack.

And I’m sure he’s shaved years from FW’s life.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

This is interesting at this time especially... Could this be a ploy to get the Ws off on a technicality?
Court docs: Pike County sheriff accused of ‘misconduct’

So Charlie R is in trouble for misusing funds? Anyone think it may be because of the money spent to house those 4 trailers for 2+ years?

JMO

 

[Dudly]

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[Trudie]

I personally knew someone that was home schooled till grade four. Well, when he started public school they put him in grade four instead of six. He couldn't write in cursive and printing was basically illegible. He could not name a river in his state or name a state bordering his. His school and teachers were great and tutored him incessantly. By grade 11 he was on the honor roll.

I also knew some one that went to public school to grade eight. He could not spell dog or cat and could not tell time. How in the world was that allowed to happen?

So true. I know of kids kept out of school because mom thinks they’ll get in trouble, be bullied, flunk, have trouble getting up early and every other reason. Some make it in life, some don’t. I know of a 5 yo girl, 85 lbs, her mom kept her out of K this year, so she’s not made fun of, for her weight. Maybe AW saw problems in her first born & thought it wise to educate him from home. Maybe behavioral issues. Then followed suit with JW. I have not delved into their school history. Is it known if the boys ever attended school?

Home schooling is great if the instructor is capable. Just sayin’.

 

[Trudie]

Here’s a question:

If you are one of the 4, would you prefer your trial first or last?

Personally, I’d choose first, for a wealth of reasons.

 

[Dudly]

Another article a little more information.
Pike County Sheriff's Office being investigated for alleged misconduct

 

[rsd1200]

Charlie, I wondered if FW offered HR 25k and the right to weekly visitation (when in town) if she might have accepted. Not much money to working adults but to a young mom, it’s a windfall.

It will always escape me why the W’s felt they could offer a child anything.

From where? FW? If so, might it have been $30k? Just tossing it out. I kinda doubt it, but it would be an "In your face" move to put it down on DRs house and lot. It might explain the forged docs, too. Just some ponderings.

 

[rsd1200]

Do any of you think the 4 had a plan for G3 to take the rap, should they ever be arrested?

Also, we’ve all seen this.......parents attempt to raise boys to be “Billy bad butts”. I think this is the case here. If truth be known, w/o mom & dad at their sides, I bet both boys are scared crapless. If they have the IQ to understand the severity of their situations. I’m uncertain to their education level. Only because I have a vision I can’t shake, of what “home schooling” involved, in their home. Are the boys lying on their bunks thinking grandma F will rescue them? Idk

They'd still know what charges for murder entailed and it was wrong. At least one graduated as a diesal mechanic, too. It's just according to the home school instruction as to their education level. G3 is said by his lawyer to have only a 7th grade education. I have acquaintances with 8th grade education who have very thriving businesses. Common sense and education are two separate things. You can have the latter without the former.

 

[rsd1200]

I personally knew someone that was home schooled till grade four. Well, when he started public school they put him in grade four instead of six. He couldn't write in cursive and printing was basically illegible. He could not name a river in his state or name a state bordering his. His school and teachers were great and tutored him incessantly. By grade 11 he was on the honor roll.

I also knew some one that went to public school to grade eight. He could not spell dog or cat and could not tell time. How in the world was that allowed to happen?

Then again, I know of folks who have accomplished home schooling very well with their kids, others, not so much. Usually it's not so much.

 

[Trudie]

From where? FW? If so, might it have been $30k? Just tossing it out. I kinda doubt it, but it would be an "In your face" move to put it down on DRs house and lot. It might explain the forged docs, too. Just some ponderings.

Oooops, I meant what if FW had offered money, in exchange for the W family to gain custody. If they so desperately wanted the child, I’m surprised no offer was extended. Sorry for the confusion.

Also, do any of you know why the 4 are so desperate to have custody of kids? Is it merely to avoid child support? To appease AW? I don’t get their fierce desire to have little kids.

For FW’s generation, skip generation trusts are very popular. They prefer to not put their kids on easy street, preferring they work. So, the trust is for grandkids benefit, many times. Could this be part of the interest the Ws have in the kids? Thinking if FW passed, they would control SW’s inheritance? If JW was driving truck and often away, it’s not like he could be a “hands on” dad. So that would leave A & G3 to raise SW as well as #4s kid. It’s all too confusing.