OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[rsd1200]

I think the idea to kill Hanna came from Jake.
The idea to wipe them all out came from Billy.
The idea to forge the custody documents came from Angie.
George was just along for the ride.

Generally the most vocal of a group is the one who has the most to prove. Think of a gang. The truly mean ones don't talk about killing someone, they just do it. The weakest or whimpiest (if that is even a word) are the most vocal egging on the tougher ones to do the killing.

I see Billy as being the meanest out of this group. In addition I see Billy and George as being close and Angie and Jake as being close.

George strikes me as being very insecure so therefore has to "talk" the most violent to show his dad that he is tough. He also tries to please his dad whenever he can.

So the way I see it is:

Billy is the tough guy, he doesn't talk about it, he just does it. Billy will not break and he will not take a plea deal.

George follows Billy and encourages him and tries to prove he is just like him by talking the talk. George's allegiance will shift to his attorneys who will then become his father figures. They will advise him to take a plea deal and George will do so to please them and get a chance of getting out early to be with his son.

Angie is the smart one. She tries to figure everything out and Billy listens to her. She is the schemer. Angie will not break and she will protect Jake at all costs.

Jake is the manipulator. He is the one who wants something and manipulates everyone around him to get what he wants. He is the one who makes up lies, and plays the victim to get everyone to go along with what he wants. In this crime Jake is the center who sucked his tough guy dad and follower brother and scheming mother and gullible grandmothers into this whole thing. Jake will continue to lie and try to manipulate his way out of this.

JMo

G4 had the most to lose, and it looks as if he's lost it, his son. He already had custody of B. If he stayed loyal to the family, and risked losing his son, who he claims "is his whole world, and I'd not know what to do w/o him" (See G4's FB, loosely quoting), then I think he'll stay loyal now. I believe he'll think the others are staying loyal too.


Something else, on another note, that keeps running around my brain; "There was an obsession with custody of the children," Dewine said, "There was an obsession of control of the children." plural. Makes me think they've talked with TB. I also think that it's possible someone encouraged TB to file those docs, so G4 would be definitely be around. Odd timing on that filing, then it disappeared, iirc.

Quote;
A custody battle led to the killing of 8 Ohio family members, prosecutors say; 6 arrested

 

[rsd1200]

Does anyone know when G4 and TB were married, and when they divorced? TIA!

Nov 20,2012

 

[Betty P]

Did she participate or was the meeting at her home? Idk

I mentioned last night, FW must have the most state of the art surveillance available for home use. I’ve been on many of the biggest & best thoroughbred farms. Every inch of thousands of acres is monitored. A lot of farms are owned by absentee owners. They might live in Dubai but can see a fly on a horse at their KY farm. The on site manager surely must have the capability to record audio, as well, imo. I think it’s possible FW & guests were recorded with surveillance equipment owned by FWF.
IMO, we can eliminate LE entering her home to “bug” it.

According to Canepa in the article, the meeting was in Fredericka's home

 

[bowler]

An abstract?[/

assay ?

 

[Betty P]

@Myland and @IQuestion

Sorry to keep bugging everyone, but I'm trying to update the WS Timeline here for the Rhoden Murders. I wanted to include some info that you all provided back around Dec 22 regarding LE interviews with Jake, Angela and Billy Rhoden during 2017.

Can you help me out with a link, pls? Thanks!

Here are your posts from back then. If there's a problem, let me know and I'll remove them from the Timeline

OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

 

[bowler]

LOL butchered that...

 

[buttonbaby]

Nov 20,2012

Thank you rsd1200... I've tried to look up the marriage records, but haven't had much luck. So, if they were they already divorced by April of 2016, the marriage lasted only about 3 years?

 

[Trudie]

According to Canepa in the article, the meeting was in Fredericka's home

Yes, thanks. I had two friends stop by earlier. They had a convo I was not involved in, even tho I was in close proximity. Big dif’ in participating or being in the home, imo.
The more I think about it, the more I think FW’s elaborate security system captured a lot. People with pricey horses take no chances. Her insurance co. May even require her to have cctv. Especially since she had the fire/claim.
RAW would have easy access to her home, likely know her system & be able to forward it to his computer, easily. IMO.
Tysm

 

[rsd1200]

I live close to a county line. My mailing address is a town in another county but my phone number is from the county I live in.

O/T I live pretty close to a county line too. I gave a guy directions to our house. He wanted my physical address. I told him it wasn't correct in the gps, but he entered it anyway. He said he was only a couple miles away. Needles to say, after driving aimlessly around the neighboring county, he called back for directions.

 

[Myland]

@Myland and @IQuestion

Sorry to keep bugging everyone, but I'm trying to update the WS Timeline here for the Rhoden Murders. I wanted to include some info that you all provided back around Dec 22 regarding LE interviews with Jake, Angela and Billy Rhoden during 2017.

Can you help me out with a link, pls? Thanks!

Here are your posts from back then. If there's a problem, let me know and I'll remove them from the Timeline

OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

 

[Betty P]

Yes, thanks. I had two friends stop by earlier. They had a convo I was not involved in, even tho I was in close proximity. Big dif’ in participating or being in the home, imo.
The more I think about it, the more I think FW’s elaborate security system captured a lot. People with pricey horses take no chances. Her insurance co. May even require her to have cctv. Especially since she had the fire/claim.
RAW would have easy access to her home, likely know her system & be able to forward it to his computer, easily. IMO.
Tysm

IANAL, but I'm wondering if even just listening to those remarks about planning the murders, etc. qualifies as being part of the conspiracy, just as being present at a murder and knowing of it makes you guilty of murder, even if you didn't pull the trigger?

Hope that makes sense.

Still working on the timeline.

Does anyone have a link with any info about when the Wagners returned from AK? Doesn't have to be a specific date or a news media story. Any other valid info link will do.

 

[rsd1200]

Thank you rsd1200... I've tried to look up the marriage records, but haven't had much luck. So, if they were they already divorced by April of 2016, the marriage lasted only about 3 years?

You're welcome! Divorce was filed, Nov. 26, 2014. So it was a whirlwind.

 

[Betty P]

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Awesome, thanks.

Adding this to our old Master timeline puts a lot into perspective. Very helpful. Will have it finished soon.

 

[rsd1200]

Yes, thanks. I had two friends stop by earlier. They had a convo I was not involved in, even tho I was in close proximity. Big dif’ in participating or being in the home, imo.
The more I think about it, the more I think FW’s elaborate security system captured a lot. People with pricey horses take no chances. Her insurance co. May even require her to have cctv. Especially since she had the fire/claim.
RAW would have easy access to her home, likely know her system & be able to forward it to his computer, easily. IMO.
Tysm

It doesn't say she participated in the convo. Maybe she is the narc, and they arrested her as a cover? Kinda like they do in the drug world? They arrest the ones who wear the wires sometimes so it will look good. The only way the arrested finds out the actual name, is if it goes as far as a trial (6th A and all).

 

[Trudie]

IANAL, but I'm wondering if even just listening to those remarks about planning the murders, etc. qualifies as being part of the conspiracy, just as being present at a murder and knowing of it makes you guilty of murder, even if you didn't pull the trigger?

Hope that makes sense.

Still working on the timeline.

Does anyone have a link with any info about when the Wagners returned from AK? Doesn't have to be a specific date or a news media story. Any other valid info link will do.

I wouldn’t think so. Ianal.

Thx for the timeline update.

Is it possible to have two active threads on the Wags?

 

[Trudie]

It doesn't say she participated in the convo. Maybe she is the narc, and they arrested her as a cover? Kinda like they do in the drug world? They arrest the ones who wear the wires sometimes so it will look good. The only way the arrested finds out the actual name, is if it goes as far as a trial (6th A and all).

Oh oh....Rsd has been watching too much tv. Lol, jk.
I still think it’s her own equipment that captured info.
RAW has not attended any hearings other than Freds, right? I think it’s ,ore than reasonable he caught wind of his kin’s involvement (or put 2+2 together and got 4), & might have conducted his own investigation from the privacy of his home, via cctv. It makes more sense than someone wearing a wire, imo.
It could be as you described, she seems confident Jake is innocent.

 

[buttonbaby]

You're welcome! Divorce was filed, Nov. 26, 2014. So it was a whirlwind.

Thank you SO very much rsd1200! Wow, a whirlwind indeed...

 

[Dudly]

O/T I live pretty close to a county line too. I gave a guy directions to our house. He wanted my physical address. I told him it wasn't correct in the gps, but he entered it anyway. He said he was only a couple miles away. Needles to say, after driving aimlessly around the neighboring county, he called back for directions.

People depend way to much on those GPS devices. People drive into lakes, onto railroad tracks, all kids of crazy stuff.

 

[rsd1200]

Would a spectator be allowed to give any item to a defendant? I can’t imagine anyone approaching a defendant. Jmo
Good job deciphering the pen to pants.

No. Not even in small town courtrooms. You do not lean over that railing to speak to, tug the shirt sleeve of, nor talk to, any of those on the other side, during court.

 

[Trudie]

Tomorrow, we might have a bit more news.