I can't figure out why GW4 went along with the plan.
OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#41
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I can't figure out why GW4 went along with the plan.
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He is the one with the least to gain, IMO. Since the arrests, I've always thought why? Why would GW4 go along?
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I have wondered more than once, if it were just the two boys. The parents find out later, and whisk them all off to AK, to try and save them. We have two shell casings, two bullet proof vests, vests found in their father's bedroom in their grandmother's home, photographic proof that the two boys had dyed hair right after the murders.
Probably not, but it would be crazy if that's how it turns out.
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That's interesting. I haven't thought about the possibility.
No problemo MittenWith all my respect, I disagree about the reward money not being insulting. An $11,000 reward for the murders of eight people is a disgrace. That has just always saddened me.JMHO.
I know you are a respectful person...I was just trying to figure out the conundrum..."Low reward amount insulting?" vs "No verbal sympathy for victims, excusable?" (ie responding to another poster.) Sure, by the rewards (I/we) have seen, it is a low amount. In SoCal, the second "drugs is mentioned" people get very, very quiet and nobody donates money.I don't know the reasons and can only speculate on some of the "whys." But, I do know I was/am impressed by the 100's of people involved in FB groups who supported the R & G families. They were awesome.
Just had a horrible thought....why were there so many agencies and 10 states involved in this investigation, anyway? Darn MittenS, now you really have me wondering about W's &$, ugh.
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April 28, 2016 Jake said he and his brother George drove an eighteen wheeler they shared together and that he worked on his family's farm. That would be the Flying W farms owned by Fredericka Wagner.
Court docs: Suspect filed for custody of child at heart of Pike County investigation days after slayings
Friesian Cross, Georgian Grande
Angela, at least in the past, helped sell some of the animals they raised and of course Fredericka still works on the farm and her daughter Robin is the farm manager.
When George "Billy" Wagner was arrested he was at a horse Vet in Kentucky and he was driving a Flying W Farms horse trailer with Robin. Obviously he was working for his mother on the farm.
George 'Billy' Wagner, suspect in Ohio family murders, appears in court
Here are 2 good videos, one showing the Veterinary sign and both show views of the actual horse trailer, 2nd video gives a good close up view of the trailer. Some reports say he was hiding in the back of it. It's parked on the road so my guess is he was either driving it, or he was in the passenger side and Robin was driving when LE pulled them over.
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Video of George 'Billy' Wagner's arrest scene in Lexington
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I think that he was upset by this and probably irritated with his family. He posted the wolf photo on his FB and AW wouldn't have responded if it meant nothing to her.
I think he lived away from his parents when he was married so he has had some freedom I hope. He might be the weak link. I hope that he is anyway. JMO. MOO.
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The other 3 didn't ask for bail only G4. I think he really hates jail and is desperate to get out. He wanted his attorney to at least ask for the bail he knew he couldn't get.
I think he'd rather go to trial then to take a plea and spend his life locked up, no access to his son's life.
When Angela Canepa was telling the judge that G4 was the most prolific with the threats, boy he looked surprised and stared at her.
Knowing they were overheard must be total horror for all of them. If those conversations were wire tapped and get played in court, well Juries really take notice when it's the defendant's own words.
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IMO they justified it for some of the victims by thinking they were flat out better than them and that they were poor and didn’t matter. Probably different justifications used as 8 victims is a lot
With JW dying his hair; I always viewed it as him acting “emo” after what happened.
Since this has been questioned numerous times, here is this description of how the Ohio Grand Jury works. It is kept secret so it does not ruin the reputation of anyone if the case is not prosecuted...
Ohio Prosecuting Attorneys Association
The Grand Jury
The citizens of Ohio play an important role in our criminal justice system. Through service on a grand jury, everyday people instill a confidence in our society that criminal cases are independently considered and reviewed by the citizenry.
Grand juries are convened by the county courts of common pleas and consist of nine members and six alternates. Grand jurors are selected from lists of registered voters and/or licensed drivers. Most grand jurors serve for a period of two to four months. The frequency of grand jury meetings can vary from once a month to daily, depending on the case load.
A grand jury is not the same as the 12-person body that hears cases. A trial jury is technically called a “petit jury.”
County prosecuting attorneys, representing the State of Ohio, are responsible for presenting evidence and witness testimony. Witnesses typically include police officers, victims, and others that may have information to offer. The grand jury listens to the evidence and testimony and decides whether the accused should be tried for a felony crime. Grand juries consider felonies, which are crimes punishable by imprisonment. Lesser offenses, called misdemeanors, are considered solely by the prosecutor’s office.
If a grand jury finds “probable cause” that a crime was committed, it returns an indictment (true bill) against the accused person, allowing the case to proceed toward a trial. An indictment may only be found by the concurrence of seven or more jurors. If a grand jury does not find “probable cause” that a crime was committed, it returns a “no bill,” and charges against the accused will be dismissed.
After all the testimony and evidence has been presented, everyone except the nine grand jury members must leave the room. The foreperson leads a discussion and conducts a vote. No vote is taken until each member has been heard. The foreperson then records the vote and files the record with the clerk of court.
The grand jurors make a pledge of secrecy. This pledge is of the utmost importance, is permanent and applies to all aspects of the grand jury proceedings. Grand jury deliberations and votes, as well as the names of witnesses and questions considered shall not be disclosed. There are two reasons for this oath of secrecy. First, accusations may be brought before the jury, which, after its examination, may deem the accusation as unfounded. If publicity were given to the fact that the grand jury had investigated a person or organization, their reputation might be ruined. Second, if a person who is likely to be charged with a criminal offense by the grand jury should learn of the investigation, he or she might flee.
The grand jury can investigate any crime committed within the county. However, an inquiry must be crime-related and directed by honest and conscientious motives to decide if a person should be charged with a crime. When considering any special investigation, the details are worked out with the judge or prosecutor. Grand jurors may require the clerk of court to issue subpoenas for witnesses to appear and testify. However, grand jurors are not detectives or prosecutors authorized to make private investigations.
Ordinary citizens make up the grand jury and decide whether enough evidence exists to send a case to trial. A grand jury exercises diligence, impartiality and secrecy to protect innocent people from false accusations and to assure accused persons that any evidence against them is considered fairly.
Ohio Prosecuting Attorneys Association
The Grand Jury
The citizens of Ohio play an important role in our criminal justice system. Through service on a grand jury, everyday people instill a confidence in our society that criminal cases are independently considered and reviewed by the citizenry.
Grand juries are convened by the county courts of common pleas and consist of nine members and six alternates. Grand jurors are selected from lists of registered voters and/or licensed drivers. Most grand jurors serve for a period of two to four months. The frequency of grand jury meetings can vary from once a month to daily, depending on the case load.
A grand jury is not the same as the 12-person body that hears cases. A trial jury is technically called a “petit jury.”
County prosecuting attorneys, representing the State of Ohio, are responsible for presenting evidence and witness testimony. Witnesses typically include police officers, victims, and others that may have information to offer. The grand jury listens to the evidence and testimony and decides whether the accused should be tried for a felony crime. Grand juries consider felonies, which are crimes punishable by imprisonment. Lesser offenses, called misdemeanors, are considered solely by the prosecutor’s office.
If a grand jury finds “probable cause” that a crime was committed, it returns an indictment (true bill) against the accused person, allowing the case to proceed toward a trial. An indictment may only be found by the concurrence of seven or more jurors. If a grand jury does not find “probable cause” that a crime was committed, it returns a “no bill,” and charges against the accused will be dismissed.
After all the testimony and evidence has been presented, everyone except the nine grand jury members must leave the room. The foreperson leads a discussion and conducts a vote. No vote is taken until each member has been heard. The foreperson then records the vote and files the record with the clerk of court.
The grand jurors make a pledge of secrecy. This pledge is of the utmost importance, is permanent and applies to all aspects of the grand jury proceedings. Grand jury deliberations and votes, as well as the names of witnesses and questions considered shall not be disclosed. There are two reasons for this oath of secrecy. First, accusations may be brought before the jury, which, after its examination, may deem the accusation as unfounded. If publicity were given to the fact that the grand jury had investigated a person or organization, their reputation might be ruined. Second, if a person who is likely to be charged with a criminal offense by the grand jury should learn of the investigation, he or she might flee.
The grand jury can investigate any crime committed within the county. However, an inquiry must be crime-related and directed by honest and conscientious motives to decide if a person should be charged with a crime. When considering any special investigation, the details are worked out with the judge or prosecutor. Grand jurors may require the clerk of court to issue subpoenas for witnesses to appear and testify. However, grand jurors are not detectives or prosecutors authorized to make private investigations.
Ordinary citizens make up the grand jury and decide whether enough evidence exists to send a case to trial. A grand jury exercises diligence, impartiality and secrecy to protect innocent people from false accusations and to assure accused persons that any evidence against them is considered fairly.
Here, too. I want to know the thought process that concluded that this was the right thing to do and why it was thought necessary.
Did anyone say, "Gee, I don't know."? Was anyone coerced into participating or was it "One for all, all for one"?
I also do not think that any visitation or support agreement is binding if not court ordered. It has to go before a judge and be granted. I also think that court ordered support would be much more than JW was willing to pay. JMO
I am not convinced that he was hiding in the horse trailer. That is only speculation. He may have been in the trailer because the horse was agitated and they were afraid it would get hurt. He may have been making sure it was secure. He may have been trying to calm it down. They were parked. That does not mean he was riding in the trailer hiding from LE.
With all my respect, I disagree about the reward money not being insulting. An $11,000 reward for the murders of eight people is a disgrace. That has just always saddened me.
Not to mention the fact LE didn't tell anyone about it for 10 weeks (see our Timeline/link)
The reward fiasco was a blow to a community that was already terrified and demoralized. It's hard for us to realize how terrified most of the people were down there. I recall a tv interview where a guy talked of having to sleep over at his mother's house for a while because she was so scared. IIRC, it was someone who lived near the R family.
Just wondering how WCPO got down to Lexington so fast? Did they hear something on the scanner?
There was an interview on tv station FB page where a neighbhor of Flying W says he had seen GW3 around quite a bit recently so assume he was working there.
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I've wondered when he found out Kylie was not his. Do we know that? I mentioned it once before, and it was pointed out that DNA tests take time and Kylie was only four days old. Were tests done before she was born?
JW may have been unsure and not wanting to leave a child that was potentially his in that condition. But what choice did he have?
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Maybe his companion was aware the arrest was going down and had been told to find an excuse send him to the back, for her protection and to facilitate the take-down. MOO.
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Inheritance by birthright. The two grandsons of FW to carry on her dynasty. JMO. FW has
ruled in their lives since birth. After Robert, having only female offsprings, Billy must carry
on the Wagner name. Robin's life of servitude to her parents will result in minor plans and
rewards for her role in continuing the future of the FW holdings. Again, JMO.
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He's Huge!!! I hadn't noticed what a big man he is. Towers over all those agents.
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