OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#41

[MittenScarpetta]

I don't have a link to back it up but I heard on the TV or Radio news that a news person was at the Lexy police for something else and they were told about it. IIRC, they were just told that it was a call that they might want to follow.

Take it for what it's worth. MOO.

I’m not a news person, so take this for what’s it’s worth. I got a message about an hour before the news broke that I needed to watch the news about the W’s. I was like huh? Of course, that’s just my perspective and has no bearing on the case. I just believe that someone was tipping people off to be alert. IMO, Officials wanted people to see and know about this immediately. Understandably. It’s was a HUGE, VICTORIOUS day in a case that was worked extremely hard by many. MOO.

 

[rsd1200]

2 Cents.....I did not see a horse in the horse trailer. If you look closely at the 2 videos it doesn't look like a horse is in there.

I am guessing the horse was dropped off and they were leaving the clinic as the truck is faced away from the clinic by the main road like they were leaving.

I think he was driving or in the passenger side and Robin was driving.

Cops pull you over you don't have time to jump out and run to the back......2 cents

In the full vid they played down here, I did see a horse in the trailer. I was watching at the time they arrested him. Start watching around 1:15.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Perp came by on pretext of drug pickup, handed him wad of bills. While preoccupied counting it he was shot. MOO of how it could've gone down.

Makes sense.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Idk, I've not seen her hair dyed. I have seen G4's dyed and at the same time as JW's. There's also the factor that AW, I see, as having a difficult time of being very speedy, and I think the murders were done very fast. If we look at G4, right after the murders, he's not as hefty as he was at the time of the arrests, nor in his Ls photo. I just get a very odd vibe off of G4. Could be nothing, could be something. JW, I think, would follow his lead (or anyone's lead). I think he's a follower. That theory is subject to change in the next week, day, or hour...

That’s a good point. AW doesn’t appear (at least to my eyes) that she would be very agile or stealthy in order to move quickly.

As far as the murders being done fast, I agree. I do believe there had to be at least TWO of them present at Dana’s. And Chris Sr’s. Someone was able to subdue Gary from being able to defend himself or his cousin, JMO. And the same with Dana’s home with three victims in three separate rooms in different areas of the home.

I’m not sure yet what I think of JW. I’ve seen some things from his online presence at one time that lead me to believe he’s calculating. Combine that with his self serving (MOO) media interviews and I just don’t know. He’s either lead around by his nose and was coached on what to say OR he’s very calculated. I change my mind about him often. JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

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[Cool Cats]

Or they were all into drug trafficking together. So Kenny had to go because he knew about it.

JMO

That's a new one, thankx.

1. Kenny new about the undercurrent of drugs or
other illegal activities and had to be eliminated
as a witness.
2. Kenny was added to the murders to further
distract from the custody motive.
3. Kenny's murder was added to make it look more like the Cartel or a professional drug hit. He was only shot once which is professional,
money was thrown over him to make him
look greedy, and he had a
marijuana grow so add that to Chris
and Frankie's grows and it looks all drug
related.
4. Kenny would have went after the Wagners for
revenge and they were scared of him.
5. Kenny was simply a red herring, added to
confuse and help throw off the
investigation.

Just my 2 cents on WHY was Kenny killed???? Any more ideas?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

That's a new one, thankx.

1. Kenny new about the undercurrent of drugs or
other illegal activities and had to be eliminated
as a witness.
2. Kenny was added to the murders to further
distract from the custody motive.
3. Kenny's murder was added to make it look more like the Cartel or a professional drug hit. He was only shot once which is professional,
money was thrown over him to make him
look greedy, and he had a
marijuana grow so add that to Chris
and Frankie's grows and it looks all drug
related.
4. Kenny would have went after the Wagners for
revenge and they were scared of him.
5. Kenny was simply a red herring, added to
confuse and help throw off the
investigation.

Just my 2 cents on WHY was Kenny killed???? Any more ideas?

What are the chances KR happened to see the Wags in or around the area sometime very early that morning ? And could’ve told LE that.

 

[OhioBlues]

That’s a good point. AW doesn’t appear (at least to my eyes) that she would be very agile or stealthy in order to move quickly.

As far as the murders being done fast, I agree. I do believe there had to be at least TWO of them present at Dana’s. And Chris Sr’s. Someone was able to subdue Gary from being able to defend himself or his cousin, JMO. And the same with Dana’s home with three victims in three separate rooms in different areas of the home.

I’m not sure yet what I think of JW. I’ve seen some things from his online presence at one time that lead me to believe he’s calculating. Combine that with his self serving (MOO) media interviews and I just don’t know. He’s either lead around by his nose and was coached on what to say OR he’s very calculated. I change my mind about him often. JMO

The way that JW grins in court makes me think that he was there plus the number of gunshots directed towards certain R's. JMO.

 

[OhioBlues]

That's a new one, thankx.

1. Kenny new about the undercurrent of drugs or
other illegal activities and had to be eliminated
as a witness.
2. Kenny was added to the murders to further
distract from the custody motive.
3. Kenny's murder was added to make it look more like the Cartel or a professional drug hit. He was only shot once which is professional,
money was thrown over him to make him
look greedy, and he had a
marijuana grow so add that to Chris
and Frankie's grows and it looks all drug
related.
4. Kenny would have went after the Wagners for
revenge and they were scared of him.
5. Kenny was simply a red herring, added to
confuse and help throw off the
investigation.

Just my 2 cents on WHY was Kenny killed???? Any more ideas?

Do you know if it's true that KR lived close to FW's?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

The way that JW grins in court makes me think that he was there plus the number of gunshots directed towards certain R's. JMO.

Yes the gunshots speak volumes to me. They always have.

1 shot to KR leads my instincts to believe he simply “had to go”
2 shots to HMR leads my instincts to believe the person couldn’t bring themselves to keep firing-ie emotional attachment.
5 shots to both HHG & DR leads my instincts to believe there was extreme anger towards these two.
9 shots to CR1 always lead my instincts to believe he was a moving target along with extreme anger on the shooters behalf.

JMHO

 

[OhioBlues]

Yes the gunshots speak volumes to me. They always have.

1 shot to KR leads my instincts to believe he simply “had to go”
2 shots to HMR leads my instincts to believe the person couldn’t bring themselves to keep firing-ie emotional attachment.
5 shots to both HHG & DR leads my instincts to believe there was extreme anger towards these two.
9 shots to CR1 always lead my instincts to believe he was a moving target along with extreme anger on the shooters behalf.

JMHO

It's a miracle that a ricochet didn't hit one of the kids. JMO.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

It's a miracle that a ricochet didn't hit one of the kids. JMO.

Definitely. It makes one wonder if the killer(s) truly cared about not harming the infants or by the Grace of God, neither were injured or killed. JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

Idk, I've not seen her hair dyed. I have seen G4's dyed and at the same time as JW's. There's also the factor that AW, I see, as having a difficult time of being very speedy, and I think the murders were done very fast. If we look at G4, right after the murders, he's not as hefty as he was at the time of the arrests, nor in his Ls photo. I just get a very odd vibe off of G4. Could be nothing, could be something. JW, I think, would follow his lead (or anyone's lead). I think he's a follower. That theory is subject to change in the next week, day, or hour...

I wish that we had a photo of GW3 after the murders. I want to see if he had any injuries and his hair color. Now. I want to see AW hair too just to know. MOO.

 

[rsd1200]

That's the photo. I think it depicts a GSW to the eye. I thought there were 2 victims with that. JMO.

I'm looking on my laptop and it appears to be tribal art around the eye, but I believe the artist meant it to be a scar, in looking at her page. The wolf has both eyes, though, a blue and an amber, so I'm leaning toward scar. I'll upload the image and some info on wolves and symbolism, attached to it. I would not be surprised if the Ws were into an offshoot of Pagan/Wiccan type of ideology, maybe mixed in with their church upbringing. Lots of Pagan/Wicca ideology in this region. We are different than others tagged within the "Bible Belt". That does not mean, that I'm saying that they did this b/c I think they may have those ideologies. Having those ideologies does not a murderer make.

The Wolf: Art Feature and Symbolism

 

[Myland]

Do you know if it's true that KR lived close to FW's?

Yes not far from fw farm. Left fork is right off camp creek and one lane to fw house is right off camp creek.

 

[rsd1200]

I don't have a link to back it up but I heard on the TV or Radio news that a news person was at the Lexy police for something else and they were told about it. IIRC, they were just told that it was a call that they might want to follow.

Take it for what it's worth. MOO.

I heard that too. It was just happenstance and their location is so close too. They didn't really know WHAT they had, til they had it. No link, just heard it on the news, iirc.

 

[IceIce9]

It's a miracle that a ricochet didn't hit one of the kids. JMO.

There has been a theory mentioned earlier that the babies were moved just before their parents were shot and then placed back in bed beside their dead parents.

 

[Puzzles8]

I truly don’t try to overthink any of it, believe me. Sadly, murder motives are usually very simple. I just cannot wrap my head around two grandmothers sacrificing their freedom over JW getting custody. FW is wealthy. She could have funded JW with enough $$$ to win custody. Legally. Why would GW4 sacrifice watching his son grow up so his brother could get S all to himself? It just doesn’t make sense.

Why would the Wags begin surveiling the victims in 2014 when things were peachy keen between JW & HMR? In August 2014, HMR’s twitter reflects her and JW were going to marry in one year. I just don’t think the Wags would have began surveillance in 2014 over custody when that wasn’t an issue then. Something caused a distrust between the two families then. JMO.

While I believe this was over custody, I also believe the R’s had some serious dirt on the Wags that would not only prevent custody of S going to JW, but would also destroy the Wags as whole.

So if JW took HMR to court for custody, HMR and her family would expose all of the Wags.

It’s all just my opinion. I guess time will tell. As Dewine said, this is the most bizarre case.

I agree with you with on all of your points especially -

While I believe this was over custody, I also believe the R’s had some serious dirt on the Wags that would not only prevent custody of S going to JW, but would also destroy the Wags as whole.

There had to be something very important in it for all involved, including John Doe.

We really don't know why the surveillance started or even who exactly they were eavesdropping on. Don't know if the audio or video was more important to them. At a minimum, they must have heard a lot of trash talk which would have fueled the issue.

And you're so right, this is probably where the "bizarre" part of the motive comes in. There had to have been something very illegal and/or immoral going on...

 

[Cool Cats]

Do you know if it's true that KR lived close to FW's?

direction - Bing

Kenneth Rhoden only lived 5.8 miles down the road from the Wagner's Flying W Farms. Only a 6 minute drive.

Click link. Type in........ 6851 Camp Creek Rd. Lucasville, OH (Flying W Farms)

Then underneath type in....... 477 Left Fork Rd. Lucasville, OH

It will show exact distance and how Left Fork Road turns into Camp Creek Road.
So Kenneth lived just down the road from Fred. Wagner's went by Kenneth's place all the time you can see.

 

[Betty P]

Yes the gunshots speak volumes to me. They always have.

1 shot to KR leads my instincts to believe he simply “had to go”
2 shots to HMR leads my instincts to believe the person couldn’t bring themselves to keep firing-ie emotional attachment.
5 shots to both HHG & DR leads my instincts to believe there was extreme anger towards these two.
9 shots to CR1 always lead my instincts to believe he was a moving target along with extreme anger on the shooters behalf.

JMHO

I'll have to go back and look, but I thought that Reader or DeWine said in the last PC that all the murders were planned in advance. I took that to mean KR's murder was planned along with the rest of them. I've always leaned towards believing that he was killed because KR would know who did the murders and would come after them/report them to LE. Whatever business relationship the two families had, KR knew as much about it as CR1.

“They also allegedly obtained and shared information about the physical layouts of the victims’ properties, their habits and routines, sleeping locations, and countersurveillance devices present on their properties, including pets.”

DeWine stated that the killers “knew the territory and meticulously planned these horrendous murders.”

“The eight victims left behind an extended, grief-stricken family, including four young children,” DeWine said. “Thankfully, in their only show of mercy, the killers spared the three children at the scene, children then ages three years of age, six months, and five days. At the center of this case were members of one family we believe the evidence will show conspired together to kill these eight people, eight of their friends.”

JMO, that says Kenneth's murder was planned along with the others. Made friends with his dogs, learned his schedule, learned where his surveillance cameras were, etc.