OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#41

[Betty P]

Thanks Betty! Yes all of that combined probably means his murder was planned, just as Dewine said.

That one shot has always spoke volumes to me that Kenny simply had to go. JMO

Now, how in the world do you think they got in his camper?

I can't find it now, but in an interview with Donald Stone, he said KR had a lock on the outside of his camper and locked it up before leaving. Could be he only had a small lock, if any, on the inside. JMO

 

[Blessdx2]

There are no tribes I know of where the wolf symbolizes revenge.

The wolf is a guardian spirit. An Istisike. As you watch over your sister so the Shovnvlke Vokla watches over his brother.

Again I cannot see anyone who is non Native knowing the meaning and certainly not the W's.[/QUOTE

According to Dewine the Wagners were planning revenge. JMO GW4’s picture meant he was threatening to kill the wolf and Charlie’s picture was implying he was a wolf. And that is why AW said “Really?” As in boy keep your mouth shut. Maybe he liked to brag and talk more than he should. JMO.

 

[Blessdx2]

Charlie Reader

There is another one before that that is an actual tattoo. It was posted in July.

 

[Cool Cats]

What is a proffer? I thought I heard Gerlach say that word to the grandma while they were waiting on the judge. Jmo

Proffer Agreement Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

 

[Blessdx2]

There is another one before that that is an actual tattoo. It was posted in July.

Charlie Reader

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Possible because Kenny only lived 5.8 miles down the road from the Wagner 's Flying W Farms. Only a 6 minute drive.
Go to map directions and type in the Wagner's address: 6851 Camp Creek Rd. Lucasville, OH

Then type in where you want to go which is Kenny's camper: 477 Left Fork Rd. Lucasville, OH.

Left Fork Rd. turns into Camp Creek Rd.

My 2 Cents....I think most of us have always thought the killers had to inconveniently go out of their way to get to Kenny's camper out in the boonies. But if the Wags committed these murders then it appears getting to Kenny wasn't out of their way at all! Actually when you see how close the Wags are to the Rhodens, (UHR) it just makes it seem more likely they did it. Remember the guilty have to have the......MOTIVES---MEANS and OPPORTUNITY.

Thank you. I’ve mapped it out before and always thought it was too convenient that Kenny was on route from CC to UHR. I forget who said it, but there’s a detective who always says there are no coincidences in murder. I don’t believe in coincidences anyways but especially not in murder.

 

[IQuestion]

What is a proffer? I thought I heard Gerlach say that word to the grandma while they were waiting on the judge. Jmo

Myland Just a quick question....did you hear that in court or are you "proffering" an idea?
This is what it could mean if it was said by defense attorney in court:
2 US law : an offer made to a prosecutor by a person who is a subject of a criminal investigation to provide information in exchange for limited immunity or a plea bargaining agreement made a proffer in the hope of avoiding prosecution.

 

[Cool Cats]

Thank you. I’ve mapped it out before and always thought it was too convenient that Kenny was on route from CC to UHR. I forget who said it, but there’s a detective who always says there are no coincidences in murder. I don’t believe in coincidences anyways but especially not in murder.

You can attribute that to Colombo my favorite detective.
Like a suspect never tells his staff where he is going after work and the ONE time the suspect lets the staff know where he will be, it just happens to be the night of a murder when the suspect needs an alibi.

 

[Myland]

Myland Just a quick question....did you hear that in court or are you "proffering" an idea?
This is what it could mean if it was said by defense attorney in court:
2 US law : an offer made to a prosecutor by a person who is a subject of a criminal investigation to provide information in exchange for limited immunity or a plea bargaining agreement made a proffer in the hope of avoiding prosecution.

I thought I heard it while she was waiting for the judge. Gerlach said it to her jmo

 

[OhioBlues]

The other 3 didn't ask for bail only G4. I think he really hates jail and is desperate to get out. He wanted his attorney to at least ask for the bail he knew he couldn't get.

I think he'd rather go to trial then to take a plea and spend his life locked up, no access to his son's life.

When Angela Canepa was telling the judge that G4 was the most prolific with the threats, boy he looked surprised and stared at her.

Knowing they were overheard must be total horror for all of them. If those conversations were wire tapped and get played in court, well Juries really take notice when it's the defendant's own words.

Maybe he didn't shoot anyone and thinks that he is not guilty of murder. He seems close to the preachers in Alaska. Five or six days before the murders he is liking their FB photo and likes many posts. One was the Minister for his wedding. It seemed like wholesome things but I don't know. I probably just don't want him to be involved.

What are the odds of him with a wolf on FB and Reader with 2 different wolf posts? Very unusual.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I can't find it now, but in an interview with Donald Stone, he said KR had a lock on the outside of his camper and locked it up before leaving. Could be he only had a small lock, if any, on the inside. JMO

Isn’t it strange that the articles and interviews that were still there this last summer are now edited and/or gone? I recall the same interview. DS said KR Locked his camper every morning with a padlock when he left for work. And when DS arrived, KR’s truck was there and the camper was not padlocked. JMO since I can’t link it now.

 

[OhioBlues]

Isn’t it strange that the articles and interviews that were still there this last summer are now edited and/or gone? I recall the same interview. DS said KR Locked his camper every morning with a padlock when he left for work. And when DS arrived, KR’s truck was there and the camper was not padlocked. JMO since I can’t link it now.

KR2 said that he kept a loaded gun at the head of his bed. His dog was there. I don't know what to think. If they got by the dogs at the other places and didn't wake them up then IDK.

In Pike County, family clings to hope

I agree that it is strange that the articles have been edited/gone. The Fourth Estate needs to step it up.

 

[Cool Cats]

Maybe he didn't shoot anyone and thinks that he is not guilty of murder. He seems close to the preachers in Alaska. Five or six days before the murders he is liking their FB photo and likes many posts. One was the Minister for his wedding. It seemed like wholesome things but I don't know. I probably just don't want him to be involved.

What are the odds of him with a wolf on FB and Reader with 2 different wolf posts? Very unusual.

Do you know what the wolf on GW4's Facebook was in reference to? And what Angie said about it? A poster said maybe he was upset with his family but I can't find that conversation on here about it.

Not a big deal. But sounded interesting.

 

[Jacqueline]

Why wouldn't James text Jake the night of the murders? How would that put James in the mix of what Jake was doing? James didn't know Jake was going to kill everyone. He could have sent him a text about a derby car. How would he know the W's were going to slaughter his whole family?

JMO

I live in the area .. my cell phone dont work where i live . I have to go up the road to make a call. most of this area is NO service area... JMO

 

[MittenScarpetta]

KR2 said that he kept a loaded gun at the head of his bed. His dog was there. I don't know what to think. If they got by the dogs at the other places and didn't wake them up then IDK.

In Pike County, family clings to hope

I agree that it is strange that the articles have been edited/gone. The Fourth Estate needs to step it up.

Well, Frankie’s dogs were outside and not in the home, where they would be able to attack an intruder. I’m assuming they knew the dogs at CR1’s because of the long relationship between JW & HMR, as well as the relationship between the two families. AFAIK, there were no dogs present at Dana’s.

Kenny’s dog is the odd one out because he was in a small camper and the dog had to be held back when LE arrived. I suppose the Wags could’ve known KR’s dog as well. I guess it just seems odd the dog wouldn’t alert him of an intruder in the early morning hours, unless of course KR was awake and let them in. I really don’t know. All JMHO.

 

[rootbeer]

I saw the wolf photo of his also. I think it was in reference to the shots to the eyes. Angela commented - Really? I think he thought he was sneaking it out there. It made me think he knew exactly who shot who and where. JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

Do you know what the wolf on GW4's Facebook was in reference to? And what Angie said about it? A poster said maybe he was upset with his family but I can't find that conversation on here about it.

Not a big deal. But sounded interesting.

I don't know. He posted it and she said "Really" and he replied "What you don't like".

It's still on his FB page.

 

[OhioBlues]

Isn’t it strange that the articles and interviews that were still there this last summer are now edited and/or gone? I recall the same interview. DS said KR Locked his camper every morning with a padlock when he left for work. And when DS arrived, KR’s truck was there and the camper was not padlocked. JMO since I can’t link it now.

He talks about the padlock and truck here. LM also says that it could be road rage or custody in the video.

Ohio family massacre victim had $1k in cash strewn at his feet and was shot in the head | Daily Mail Online

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Let us all remember:

“They have nothing,” Fredericka Wagner said Tuesday in a Dayton Daily News interview. “Their searches have turned up zilch. Nothing. And they aren’t going to either because Jake had nothing to do with it.”


Pike County murders: 5 things to know about latest developments

Oh, Grandma Wagner, it turns out you were wrong.

 

[OhioBlues]

KR had a network of security cameras that were all carefully removed.

Security cameras set up inside home of Ohio massacre victim could have helped identify killers | Daily Mail Online