OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#43

[Cool Cats]

Wouldn't you love to see all his tattoos and know when he got them.

Well GW3 has white supremacist tattoos and the scorpion, and tattoos on the other arm, but I'll pass on the full body tattoos.

I believe he got the scorpion after the murders, I had posted about that before with the photo of his right hand etc...

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm not sure we can assume the tattoo picture in evidence is Billy's (GW3). It only refers to "George Wagner". Who knows?

Where does it say George Wagner? All I see is "one tattoo photo from George "Billy" Wagner. "

A seven-page evidence list uncovered Thursday gets a little more specific. For example, the defense is asking to see:

• One photo of George “Billy” Wagner’s tattoo

 

[Loomis124]

To me it looks like tattoos on both forearms. This is only what I think from the photo. I would like to hear your opinion on it Loomis124. Yes it is an "iffy" photo, not definitive by any means.
Also, on Facebook he has a tattoo about 4 inches below his right shoulder. Can't tell what it is.

But the tattoo in evidence is GW3's, I'm sure there is no mistake about it. I think it's the scorpion. It appeared his attorney told him to hide it at one point in court.

https://media.wdtn.com/nxs-wdtntv-m...n_Pike_Co__Cou_0_63470188_ver1.0_1280_720.jpg

Wow! TY! I never noticed this before. An, it does look like he has one on the inside of his right forearm on this pic. I had looked on his FB but didn't find any. Thanks for sharing. Now I'm curious.

 

[Cool Cats]

Wow! TY! I never noticed this before. An, it does look like he has one on the inside of his right forearm on this pic. I had looked on his FB but didn't find any. Thanks for sharing. Now I'm curious.

If you want I can private message you about the Facebook arm tattoo. Because it's on Facebook I can't link it here per WS rules.

But I couldn't see it until I logged into my Facebook account. If your on Facebook it's a 'public setting' so anyone can see it.

I never would have mentioned it if this person's Facebook was set to 'private'. I want to make that clear.

IS IT OK TO DO THIS THROUGH PRIVATE MESSAGING? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE WS RULES ABOUT PRIVATE MESSAGING. IF NOT, I WILL RESPECT WS RULES AND NOT LINK FACEBOOK IN PRIVATE MESSAGES.

 

[Puzzles8]

Where does it say George Wagner? All I see is "one tattoo photo from George "Billy" Wagner. "

A seven-page evidence list uncovered Thursday gets a little more specific. For example, the defense is asking to see:

• One photo of George “Billy” Wagner’s tattoo

I assumed the "Billy" meant implied. I just wish we had a less complicated way to refer to people! You know.......like Thing1, Thing2, etc. Dr. Seuss had it right!

 

[Cool Cats]

I assumed the "Billy" meant implied. I just wish we had a less complicated way to refer to people! You know.......like Thing1, Thing2, etc. Dr. Seuss had it right!

Not sure what you mean by "implied". It's always GW3 or George "Billy" Wagner. The dad was called Bob! How's that for confusing! Lol....
I often get the 3 and 4 mixed up and have to go back and edit. I just had to do that again here!

 

[Myland]

Not sure what you mean by "implied". It's always GW3 or George "Billy" Wagner. The dad was called Bob! How's that for confusing! Lol....
I often get the 3 and 4 mixed up and have to go back and edit. I just had to do that again here!

The cell phone stated as Billy Wagner’s cell tower records, then tattoo stated as George Wagner tattoo (1 photo). Per state’s supplemental discovery. But that might really mean anything either because the cell plan could have been under the name Billy instead of George and the state was using name on records. Jmo

 

[rsd1200]

Wouldn't you love to see all his tattoos and know when he got them.

Depends on their locations... I don't envy the soul who has to document tatts.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

If you want I can private message you about the Facebook arm tattoo. Because it's on Facebook I can't link it here per WS rules.

But I couldn't see it until I logged into my Facebook account. If your on Facebook it's a 'public setting' so anyone can see it.

I never would have mentioned it if this person's Facebook was set to 'private'. I want to make that clear.

IS IT OK TO DO THIS THROUGH PRIVATE MESSAGING? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE WS RULES ABOUT PRIVATE MESSAGING. IF NOT, I WILL RESPECT WS RULES AND NOT LINK FACEBOOK IN PRIVATE MESSAGES.

I think the rule is, you can share what you want in private messages, but you should avoid to publicly invite people to private messages to share non-TOS material. Like this for example.

Mod, please correct me if I am wrong. I understand the above from one of your interventions on another thread.

 

[Loomis124]

If you want I can private message you about the Facebook arm tattoo. Because it's on Facebook I can't link it here per WS rules.

But I couldn't see it until I logged into my Facebook account. If your on Facebook it's a 'public setting' so anyone can see it.

I never would have mentioned it if this person's Facebook was set to 'private'. I want to make that clear.

IS IT OK TO DO THIS THROUGH PRIVATE MESSAGING? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE WS RULES ABOUT PRIVATE MESSAGING. IF NOT, I WILL RESPECT WS RULES AND NOT LINK FACEBOOK IN PRIVATE MESSAGES.

Thank you, Cool Cats, but if you say it is on his FB, I believe you. No need for PM.

 

[Loomis124]

I think the rule is, you can share what you want in private messages, but you should avoid to publicly invite people to private messages to share non-TOS material. Like this for example.

Mod, please correct me if I am wrong. I understand the above from one of your interventions on another thread.

Thank you, JK. I dont PM, so I declined. I believe CC about GW4s tattoos, no need for more proof.

 

[Cool Cats]

Does anyone have an opinion on which video clip of "The Boondock Saints" was found and entered as evidence?

This is not a clip but I do agree with the article and think it's interesting....

Pike County murders: Movie’s use of gun silencer mirrors that of slain family, evidence shows
WAVERLY — A clip from the popular 1999 movie, “The Boondock Saints,” is being used as evidence in the Pike County murders where eight members of the Rhoden Family were murdered in their homes in 2016, according to court documents.

The film is about two brothers in Boston who take on a deadly form of vigilante justice by murdering mobsters and other criminals. The killers in the movie use silencers on their guns, the same killing style that members of the Wagner family are accused of using to execute the Rhodens.

Investigators combed through 1,100 tips, but the final piece of evidence that led to the indictments of the Wagner family and their arrests on Halloween were due to the finding of the gun silencer, according to then-Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine.

New facts show that the homemade gun silencer that prosecutors found was at the bottom of a well on property the Wagner’s used to own, according to court documents.

“They may have had a certain interest in it. But it seemed to have resonated with them in terms of what to do -- how to solve their problem”, said Marc Clauson, Cedarville University Law Professor.

Video on here shows in the evidence they have one excel sheet from Big Bear Lake.

Movie’s use of gun silencer mirrors that of slain Rhoden family

 

[Johnny B Bad]

This is not a clip but I do agree with the article and think it's interesting....

Pike County murders: Movie’s use of gun silencer mirrors that of slain family, evidence shows
WAVERLY — A clip from the popular 1999 movie, “The Boondock Saints,” is being used as evidence in the Pike County murders where eight members of the Rhoden Family were murdered in their homes in 2016, according to court documents.

The film is about two brothers in Boston who take on a deadly form of vigilante justice by murdering mobsters and other criminals. The killers in the movie use silencers on their guns, the same killing style that members of the Wagner family are accused of using to execute the Rhodens.

Investigators combed through 1,100 tips, but the final piece of evidence that led to the indictments of the Wagner family and their arrests on Halloween were due to the finding of the gun silencer, according to then-Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine.

New facts show that the homemade gun silencer that prosecutors found was at the bottom of a well on property the Wagner’s used to own, according to court documents.

“They may have had a certain interest in it. But it seemed to have resonated with them in terms of what to do -- how to solve their problem”, said Marc Clauson, Cedarville University Law Professor.

Video on here shows in the evidence they have one excel sheet from Big Bear Lake.

Movie’s use of gun silencer mirrors that of slain Rhoden family

How many times has the Wagners stood in front of this judge in court?

 

[pepper 34]

HMR's cause of death was not shots to the chest. Per the citation below, the gunshots causing her death were to the head. I don't know if there were gunshot wounds anywhere else on her body.

Please don't be alarmed because the last link below references death (overdose) related to opioid drugs. We all know that HMR did not die as the result of a drug overdose, and I would never, ever suggest that she used drugs of any kind.

However, in my opinion, if she was prescribed an opioid for postpartum pain, then I think it is possible there could have been a similar "foam cone" produced at the time of death because of the prescribed medication in her system. Again, this is just my opinion.

references:
Hanna May Rhoden, 19, Daughter of Dana and Christopher Rhoden Sr.,
Mother of the surviving 4-day-old child, Multiple gunshot wounds to the head
Pike County, Ohio shootings - Wikipedia

Lactating mothers are often prescribed opioid medication to control pain after a Cesarean section or another painful surgery or condition... These guidelines recommend practices for managing lactating patients with pain management needs. They recommend doses of opioid medications that are safe for the breastfeeding infant
https://intermountainhealthcare.org/ext/Dcmnt?ncid=520732469

Interpretation of postmortem opioid concentrations requires correlation with medical history, scene investigation, and autopsy findings.
Complete Republication: National Association of Medical Examiners Position Paper: Recommendations for the Investigation, Diagnosis, and Certification of Deaths Related to Opioid Drugs

Another immediately identifiable sign of an opioid overdose is the foam cone.
SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research

There's lots of good information in your comment IType. I was not familiar with the term "foam cone." Now that I know what the term means, I would like to add that a seizure, caused by the fatal shooting to the head and or dying process itself, could have caused HR to have a foam cone on her mouth. Poor girl; it was during such a happy time for her.

 

[Loomis124]

How many times has the Wagners stood in front of this judge in court?

Quite a few!

 

[IType]

There's lots of good information in your comment IType. I was not familiar with the term "foam cone." Now that I know what the term means, I would like to add that a seizure, caused by the fatal shooting to the head and or dying process itself, could have caused HR to have a foam cone on her mouth. Poor girl; it was during such a happy time for her.

Yes, I saw that, too. Such a sad situation all the way around.

 

[Loomis124]

Yes, it could, but prosecutors would need to have specific details for the charges and be able to link each person named to some act they were involved in or benefited from. Hope that makes sense.

It's also somewhat specific in that it refers to some kind of enterprise or business activity.

Here's the statute:

Lawriter - ORC - 2923.32 Engaging in pattern of corrupt activity.

"(1) No person employed by, or associated with, any enterprise shall conduct or participate in, directly or indirectly, the affairs of the enterprise through a pattern of corrupt activity or the collection of an unlawful debt.

(2) No person, through a pattern of corrupt activity or the collection of an unlawful debt, shall acquire or maintain, directly or indirectly, any interest in, or control of, any enterprise or real property.

(3) No person, who knowingly has received any proceeds derived, directly or indirectly, from a pattern of corrupt activity or the collection of any unlawful debt, shall use or invest, directly or indirectly, any part of those proceeds, or any proceeds derived from the use or investment of any of those proceeds, in the acquisition of any title to, or any right, interest, or equity in, real property or in the establishment or operation of any enterprise.

A purchase of securities on the open market with intent to make an investment, without intent to control or participate in the control of the issuer, and without intent to assist another to do so is not a violation of this division, if the securities of the issuer held after the purchase by the purchaser, the members of the purchaser's immediate family, and the purchaser's or the immediate family members' accomplices in any pattern of corrupt activity or the collection of an unlawful debt do not aggregate one per cent of the outstanding securities of any one class of the issuer and do not confer, in law or in fact, the power to elect one or more directors of the issuer."

Wonder what kind of business, enterprise or activity this charge refers to? It names RN and FW, as well as the other 4 W's.

I have been studying this charge. When we try to decipher what, in these paragraphs, would make sense in connection with the Rhodens and Wagners, the phrases "collection of a unlawful debt," and "real property" stick out to me.

What is an unlawful debt? What is every possible meaning, and does any of them fit here?

This is JMO, but there IS proof CHSR had a safe (invoice for Sheriff's Office) and robbery has been discussed since day one. And each of the suspects are charged with aggravated burglary.

Research "real property" and what it does and doesn't mean. Who is the second largest land -- real property -- owner there? Evictions, court hearings galore, dismissed cases, crooked judges (remember WT Marshall) and family judges. Oh, and don't forget all real estate transactions, shady non-profits, divorces, and custody battles all require a notary constantly. All MOO.

One last thought. All property removed from the scenes was "personal property."

I would greatly appreciate all your thoughts on this charge, in terms of what it is and how it might apply to the suspects named.

Thank you so much!

 

[Puzzles8]

Depends on their locations... I don't envy the soul who has to document tatts.

Upon reflection......I probably should have rephrased that.....

 

[Puzzles8]

Expect to see a couple of new faces in future courtroom hearings.

Hmmmmmm. Can you give us some clues?
Animal, vegetable or mineral? Larger than a bread box?
Seriously, prosecution or defense?
In front of or behind the rails?

 

[Puzzles8]

This is not a clip but I do agree with the article and think it's interesting....

Pike County murders: Movie’s use of gun silencer mirrors that of slain family, evidence shows
WAVERLY — A clip from the popular 1999 movie, “The Boondock Saints,” is being used as evidence in the Pike County murders where eight members of the Rhoden Family were murdered in their homes in 2016, according to court documents.

The film is about two brothers in Boston who take on a deadly form of vigilante justice by murdering mobsters and other criminals. The killers in the movie use silencers on their guns, the same killing style that members of the Wagner family are accused of using to execute the Rhodens.

Investigators combed through 1,100 tips, but the final piece of evidence that led to the indictments of the Wagner family and their arrests on Halloween were due to the finding of the gun silencer, according to then-Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine.

New facts show that the homemade gun silencer that prosecutors found was at the bottom of a well on property the Wagner’s used to own, according to court documents.

“They may have had a certain interest in it. But it seemed to have resonated with them in terms of what to do -- how to solve their problem”, said Marc Clauson, Cedarville University Law Professor.

Video on here shows in the evidence they have one excel sheet from Big Bear Lake.

Movie’s use of gun silencer mirrors that of slain Rhoden family

Wouldn't you give your eye tooth to get your hands on that 1" stack of paper shown in the video!