OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #16

[mrssmith23]

Also, makes me suspect CRjr was NOT shot while fleeing. JMO.


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[mrssmith23]

To me this is crazy overkill, I don't think it's very logical to shoot someone multiple times in the head. What is the reasoning? One who is asleep would die instantly with most likely 1 shot to the head definitely no more than 2. So why all the extra? In addition if all these people were shot that many times it had to have been a small caliber in order for some if not all of their funerals to be open casket.

We've never confirmed they were open casket at the actual public viewing. Family often has a private viewing beforehand to say goodbye privately.


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[mrssmith23]

I think in most cases they always say 6 weeks, but I've always assumed it was quicker. I'd guess that they have most "everything" back from the labs by now.

That's usually with 1-2 deaths. I could see things taking a bit longer in this case..


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[Dudly]

Wow. So that indeed makes me think CR1 was the main target and they tried to get him to talk first. And considering that means others had multiple shots to the head. That is vicious and does lend more to pros?

Still could be rage or making a point or example of him, either one...

 

[Tillicum]

Can we make an effort to dismiss the J.J.problem...To me he would be the last personality on my list
of suspects...The theory of moon face and steroids is getting my attention..Why? I Am in a jurisdiction
question.. This is a major piece of evidence to me..The killer wants to use his superior like impulses
to clean up his undesirables who stands to corrupt everyone around him.So,and I say "IF". he lives
in the same jurisdiction as his victims ,,we are making progress.B.U.T., if the A.G..is in Waverly getting
all evidence together and the evidence is stored in Pikton, it looks like the fox is set there guarding
"THE HEN HOUSE",,who can prevent the fox from tampering or altering the evidence? And they know all of this...
Getting hot..

jurisdiction

Please don't take this the wrong way Ray Pate, but anyone could come on here with this user name claiming to be a former homicide detective. A google search will prove that a Ray Pate was a homicide detective but it doesn't prove that you are in fact him. You were asked to be verified so that we can put more weight into your knowledge, experience and suggestions but you declined. Yet you are now asking us to dismiss one of the theories presented and teasing us with a pretty strong implication of an official's guilt. I hope you will reconsider being verified so we can decide for ourselves whether to take your suggestions more seriously than someone with no experience being a homicide detective. Your input would also be beneficial in many other cases here at WS. Here's a link with instructions on verification. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-Process-for-Professional-or-Insider-Posters

 

[sumzero]

I've kinda always felt CR1 was the target. I've never been convinced CRjr was. The fact that everyone else was shot in the head does goes back to execution style. At one point there was speculation that maybe it was not execution style and maybe everyone wasn't shot in the head.. This confirms they all were.. And some multiple times which seems crazy that only KR had the single wound. Why did CRjr, FR, HG, and HR, need to be shot more than once in the head.. Some in bed with their babies.. Not any better DR was, but more so speaking on them as being teenagers and young adults. It's all terrible. No matter what. I guess it's a sliver more of information than what we had.. Interesting the TOD's are being based on time being found - looks like they were all found close together, I know we questioned how soon DR's house was entered, obviously very soon.


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Hard to say for sure, mrssmith23. Could GR have been sleeping on the couch? Do we know? If so, he might have been the target. Or he might have simply been the first person the killer(s) encountered in the trailer. The killer(s) would have crept up on him first and shot him as he slept. CR Sr., hearing the shots, then could have leapt out of bed and bolted toward the front room. The killers then turned and immobilized him with nine shots. This could explain why he was riddled with more shots: he was the only one who had the opportunity to get out of bed and lunge toward (or attempt to flee from) the killers. To be honest, I'm leaning toward GR bringing the others into contact with some unsavory people. But I stand to be corrected, once we learn more information.

 

[tehcloser]

CR1
shot 9 times
He was the one with money.
His home and his family.
His land.
Brothers living either with him or in an rv. And working for him.

It just seems to revolve around him. Imo he was the decision maker and whatever he decided seems to have resulted in this. Imo

 

[Mmaaix]

We've never confirmed they were open casket at the actual public viewing. Family often has a private viewing beforehand to say goodbye privately.


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I know it's not been confirmed MSM however several friends had posted that a few of the individuals didn't look like themselves which points to them being able to see them.

 

[tehcloser]

I also think the perps took money. And that money was kept with KR. His place was "out of the way". I think the money being thrown on his was like the period at the end of a sentance.<yes, that was on purpose.

 

[pcap]

That's who I also think he is leaning towards, but it's very hard for me to believe that it would be him. I respect Mr. Pates opinion especially based on his profession, but I just can't convince myself of it being "him". Maybe someone else in the same profession, but just not him.

Same here. I don't see it.

 

[rsd1200]

There is an enormous amount of money to be won, or lost, on *advertiser censored* fights. I am being 100% serious. A big ring was shut down by an anon tip not long before the murders. People you'd never think had a dime, to look at them, pull out wads of cash at these things. If the R's had a hand in shutting one down, so they could increase, or start their own, well, some folks would mighty be p.o.'d.

 

[pcap]

There is, as I mentioned a few threads ago, a very vague connection between JJ and the Rhodens, through his police partner in crime when R. Rooker was shot, TD. That, of course, requires JJ and TD to be more than work acquaintances who happened to kill a guy together. I wouldn't read too much into that, though. But I think JJ could fit the profile for a couple of scenarios, alone, or with one accomplice. Steroides makes it even more plausible, and looking at the pictures of the guy before and now confirms that imo. So I would keep him on my (long) list until someone convinces me otherwise.

I have a question. Would it be appropriate for a police officer to be facebook friends with a criminal? I noticed DR is friends with a major at the PC sheriffs office. But I guess you befriend as many as you can being a cop.

Edit: I was going towards DR not being a criminal since she had a cop friend.

Can you please post or link to an older picture of JJ?

 

[Obiwankenobi]

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/05/27/Piketon-death-certificates.html

"Christopher Rhoden Sr. was the only one of the eight who was shot somewhere other than the head."


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Do we know if this is a reputable site?

 

[newtonskeyz]

sorry duplicate post

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I haven't really jumped on the JJ theory but there is something that's been nagging at me. When I was doing some digging around in regards to the missing women I came across two different articles where a man dressed as a police officer tried to abduct a woman in Chillicothe and another one in Circleville. Circleville is north of Piketon on 23. Chillicothe is between Piketon and Circleville. If anyone wants to do some digging, maybe we could see if it could fit into any of the theories. I don't have time to try to find them now but I think I posted some snips and links on one of the missing women's threads.

I have never been on the JJ bandwagon. If he needed money and didn't mind killing a whole family, why not take some bank president's family hostage, and make him go open the bank vault then kill them all after he got the money? There are a lot more people out there with a lot more access to money than the Rhodens seemed to have. Even the owner of the BB lodge would have been a more promising target than this family. Besides it takes a lot more money than the Rhodens have to live life on the run. You can't work in Mexico without a voters card and those are only given to citizens. So he would have needed enough money to last the rest of his life. Contrary to popular belief the Mexican govt does do background checks for Americans asking for citizenship in their country and they do deport thousands of Americans who have entered their country illegally every year. If he had tried to join a drug cartel down there he would have been killed the moment he approached them. They are very wary of strangers and especially white strangers. Besides if he was going to make a run for the border why not knock over an Indian casino on your way down to Mexico since there are hundreds of them between Ohio and the Mexican border. As for Canada you have to have a SSN to work there and it is harder to get a green card there than in the USA. We went through heck just getting a two week visa. Besides there is zero evidence JJ is going to run or that he even knew the Rhodens. JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I may be totally mis-reading what you're trying to "get at", but from reading all of your posts, it seems more and more apparent that you are trying to say this is a very high ranking LE officer. If I'm correct in understanding what you're saying then I find this a very powerful statement coming from you, considering your own background in LE.

You are way ahead of me since I am only confused by his posts and who he is referring to. Maybe he can start using initials to indicate who he is referring to?

 

[smc1225]

Do we know if this is a reputable site?

It the official website of the Columbus Dispatch newspaper.

 

[Betty P]

Do we know if this is a reputable site?

Yes, very reputable news outlet. One of the largest daily newspapers in Ohio. No worries, though its always helpful to ask!

 

[mrssmith23]

Hard to say for sure, mrssmith23. Could GR have been sleeping on the couch? Do we know? If so, he might have been the target. Or he might have simply been the first person the killer(s) encountered in the trailer. The killer(s) would have crept up on him first and shot him as he slept. CR Sr., hearing the shots, then could have leapt out of bed and bolted toward the front room. The killers then turned and immobilized him with nine shots. This could explain why he was riddled with more shots: he was the only one who had the opportunity to get out of bed and lunge toward (or attempt to flee from) the killers. To be honest, I'm leaning toward GR bringing the others into contact with some unsavory people. But I stand to be corrected, once we learn more information.

We have no idea if either of them were sleeping. I'm not saying CRsr IS the target, I'm just stating I've felt like he was more the target than CRjr in my own personal opinion.

It had sounded like DR was potentially not in bed by the way JM described the scene, so why wouldn't she have been shot that many times? Just some thoughts that make me feel this way.

Nothing has given remotely been indicated GR could be the target as far as MSM. What could indicate CRsr if the fact this all occurred on his properties, his own family and children, and now the report he was shot this many times. JMO.


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[mrssmith23]

Do we know if this is a reputable site?

It's one of the biggest news stations in Ohio.. Also where we have gathered most of our information.

Speaking of, can someone add that to the media thread for me?


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