OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #17

[lusd]

But if that were the case, then they defeated their whole purpose, since ?????? ended up ruining the good thing themselves.

Sending a message?

 

[ShouldBWorking]

I haven't been reading a lot lately, but I agree with you. I believe they moved those mobile homes to keep someone's from bur img them to the ground, someone local, someone familiar with the area.

 

[WVWoman]

I just got real defensive about it when the telemarketers used my phone more than I did. Didn't seem to help, they still call as much as ever.

This family did do Facebook, I won't even do that myself. My relatives are constantly saying "get on FB!", I say, "you've got my phone number and my email address!".

Jumping off your post: This family like so many others post things on fb but it's ambiguous your not sure what they are really saying. I see everyday the post of going out of town,going to store,or spouse is gone for the next week...this in my opinion invites trouble. If you would see my fb you would know,1) I feed my animals 2) I love coffee 3) I love my pups and horse ....what you wouldn't know is my personal life!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

IMO this is spot on...too many things wrong for it to be strangers...caught everyone home? got by dogs family said should have attacked? cameras gone?...how could a stranger do this?

That is what is odd to me also. The article said they took 14 dogs to the shelter. By accounts there was 1 at KR's kept inside per DS. At least 2 At CR1's kept inside per BJM. I counted 4 chained in the back at FR's per photos. No one has said for certain there were any dogs at DR's and I saw no evidence any were chained in the photos. That accounts for 7 dogs. Were the other 7 just running loose? 14 dogs and none of them barked and alerted the family inside? Hard to believe as I have 4 dogs, a min pin, a toy chihuahua, a cherweinnie and a boxer/boston terrier mix which are kept in the house at night. All of them bark like crazy if they hear the slightest noise. They even bark at my son and grandsons when they come to visit. At least one of my grandsons is here 75% of the time and they act like they have never seen him before when he walks in the yard. I realize that mine are all small yappy dogs but it would seem that the bigger dogs like a pit bull would at least bark when someone approached. On a side note 14 dogs, I don't know how they could afford health insurance on all of them, that had to be at least 300.00 per month. And being in a rural area I cannot believe that at least CR1, and KR and maybe even DR did not sleep with a loaded gun close by. Fr may not have with small children in the house but the others probably had a gun close if not in bed with them. It is unreal that someone walked past 14 dogs and into 4 homes and killed 8 people without waking anyone. The sheer numbers in this case are mindboggling.

 

[wlb22]

Theres always a possiblity that FR or HG or the mother called her late at night to let her know the child was dropped off. This was a unscheduled visit for the child and it took place late in the evening hours.. If you look at the front of the trailer. You cannot see in from the outside, so she didnt see him in there laying on the couch. So how did she know he was there? Just a thought to ponder.

I don't think she knew he was there..i just think he woke early and came to the door when she was pounding on it.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I listened to the 911 call and no I dont think its fake. But I dont know her either. Maybe she didnt personally kill them, maybe she had it done and then she went in totally unprepared on what she saw. I haven't got past the inconsistencies in her story . I hope I am wrong.. I hope it was strangers that did this and she had nothing to do with it.

I listened to her 911 call and I don't buy it either. She was too upset, too out of breath, too hysterical. It sounded like she was acting out what she thought she should sound like. I have listened to 911 calls where a family member was found murdered and there is true anguish in the voices of the callers. I just didn't hear that in her voice. JMO

 

[OsoTejano]

No one has mentioned that giving everyone a poly would open up avenues of justice.Most would fight such a request.
The, bare down,Some the AG can not make take the poly.elected officials..JMO.

They really couldn't make anyone do the polygraph. However elected officials can be investigated and prosecuted by the AG's office in Ohio. We had a recent case with the sheriff in Athens county being prosecuted by a state special prosecutor (AG's office) and convicted on corruption charges.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/02/12/athens-county-sheriff-trial-verdict.html



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[mrssmith23]

These folks had guns and were familiar with them. I don't think they ever woke up. If they were awake, like we believe CR1/GR were, or possibly DR, then I think it was such a total surprise to them that they didn't have time to get their guns. I had a friend who was in a motel room. They always carried. Had their gun on the nightstand and were hanging out with some friends watching t.v. before calling it a night. Some of the friends were even carrying. A couple guys busted through the door of their room w/their guns drawn and told them if they reached they died. They took all of their money and anything else they wanted and left. This was in an older motel, with exterior doors. I try to avoid them now.

This. There are guns right near my head of the bed, and on my husband's side. If we hear something, we don't grab our gun and start looking through our house - we have kids that are older and sometimes are next door at grandmas and come down late at night, etc. the last thing we want is to encounter our children while we are holding a gun. So while we have them there for protection, we've gotten up without them for strange noises, I can't think of a single time I grabbed my gun and walked around my house from hearing a strange noise late. I also think that if someone was somehow able to make it into my house, came into my bedroom without us hearing, and shot my husband, I would be waking up fuzzy and confused and it would take me a minute to grab my gun, which would probably be too late for me. My husband suspects it would be the same way for him. When you wake up out of a dead sleep, it takes a minute to process what is going on, especially if what you are processing is that you just heard a loud noise and adjusting your eyes to see someone in your room with a gun pointed at you. All you need is that 20 seconds of hesitation and you've lost your life.


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[RAISINISBACK]

He had at least 2 doors.

One in back..

One in front..

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Looking at these photos, there are no windows on one end of the trailer and a silver colored tarp over that portion of the trailer. Could this have been where one of the grow ops was?

 

[CSIDreamer]

That is what is odd to me also. The article said they took 14 dogs to the shelter. By accounts there was 1 at KR's kept inside per DS. At least 2 At CR1's kept inside per BJM. I counted 4 chained in the back at FR's per photos. No one has said for certain there were any dogs at DR's and I saw no evidence any were chained in the photos. That accounts for 7 dogs. Were the other 7 just running loose? 14 dogs and none of them barked and alerted the family inside? Hard to believe as I have 4 dogs, a min pin, a toy chihuahua, a cherweinnie and a boxer/boston terrier mix which are kept in the house at night. All of them bark like crazy if they hear the slightest noise. They even bark at my son and grandsons when they come to visit. At least one of my grandsons is here 75% of the time and they act like they have never seen him before when he walks in the yard. I realize that mine are all small yappy dogs but it would seem that the bigger dogs like a pit bull would at least bark when someone approached. On a side note 14 dogs, I don't know how they could afford health insurance on all of them, that had to be at least 300.00 per month. And being in a rural area I cannot believe that at least CR1, and KR and maybe even DR did not sleep with a loaded gun close by. Fr may not have with small children in the house but the others probably had a gun close if not in bed with them. It is unreal that someone walked past 14 dogs and into 4 homes and killed 8 people without waking anyone. The sheer numbers in this case are mindboggling.

BBM. I'm confused. Health insurance for dogs is required in Ohio? It isn't in the state I live in.

 

[mrssmith23]

Theres always a possiblity that FR or HG or the mother called her late at night to let her know the child was dropped off. This was a unscheduled visit for the child and it took place late in the evening hours.. If you look at the front of the trailer. You cannot see in from the outside, so she didnt see him in there laying on the couch. So how did she know he was there? Just a thought to ponder.

There also could have been something posted on FB that isn't visible to us that could have said "Get to have BR unexpectedly" or something like that, or perhaps even on BR's mom's page, which has since been removed, saying something like "Had to drop BR off with his dad's", it seemed they had a good relationship still, so she may have also been friends with the majority of his family still? Just a thought.


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[Mmaaix]

That is what is odd to me also. The article said they took 14 dogs to the shelter. By accounts there was 1 at KR's kept inside per DS. At least 2 At CR1's kept inside per BJM. I counted 4 chained in the back at FR's per photos. No one has said for certain there were any dogs at DR's and I saw no evidence any were chained in the photos. That accounts for 7 dogs. Were the other 7 just running loose? 14 dogs and none of them barked and alerted the family inside? Hard to believe as I have 4 dogs, a min pin, a toy chihuahua, a cherweinnie and a boxer/boston terrier mix which are kept in the house at night. All of them bark like crazy if they hear the slightest noise. They even bark at my son and grandsons when they come to visit. At least one of my grandsons is here 75% of the time and they act like they have never seen him before when he walks in the yard. I realize that mine are all small yappy dogs but it would seem that the bigger dogs like a pit bull would at least bark when someone approached. On a side note 14 dogs, I don't know how they could afford health insurance on all of them, that had to be at least 300.00 per month. And being in a rural area I cannot believe that at least CR1, and KR and maybe even DR did not sleep with a loaded gun close by. Fr may not have with small children in the house but the others probably had a gun close if not in bed with them. It is unreal that someone walked past 14 dogs and into 4 homes and killed 8 people without waking anyone. The sheer numbers in this case are mindboggling.

It was actually stated in the first interview with LM that DR had two dogs 1 pit bull and 1 "wolf dog" that would eat you


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[RAISINISBACK]

These folks had guns and were familiar with them. I don't think they ever woke up. If they were awake, like we believe CR1/GR were, or possibly DR, then I think it was such a total surprise to them that they didn't have time to get their guns. I had a friend who was in a motel room. They always carried. Had their gun on the nightstand and were hanging out with some friends watching t.v. before calling it a night. Some of the friends were even carrying. A couple guys busted through the door of their room w/their guns drawn and told them if they reached they died. They took all of their money and anything else they wanted and left. This was in an older motel, with exterior doors. I try to avoid them now.

You could be right.

 

[mrssmith23]

Hope this makes since.

What if DR told CR1 that the only way she'd get back together with him if he got rid of the pot. So he was in the process of doing what she wanted. CR1 told ??? that him and DR were getting back together and DR wanted the pot gone. And ??? figured CR1 family isn't going to ruin a good thing they gotta go.

MOO

Yeah, but murdering them also ruined the pot operation?


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[mrssmith23]

Looking at these photos, there are no windows on one end of the trailer and a silver colored tarp over that portion of the trailer. Could this have been where one of the grow ops was?

Considering there are also 2 other areas of tarps, I'm still convinced they just had a bad roof.


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[SWADED]

And being in a rural area I cannot believe that at least CR1, and KR and maybe even DR did not sleep with a loaded gun close by. Fr may not have with small children in the house but the others probably had a gun close if not in bed with them.

This is one of the things I've wondered about as well. When we lived in the country we had guns near all the doors and my folks had several in their bedroom. My mom would answer the front door with a pistol draped under a towel and just tell people she was in the middle of folding laundry. You make a good point that they did seem to have a lot of little kiddos in that family so that might have affected their firearm habits.

 

[The OG]

I don't think it's sinister, but, it would be nice to know when was the last time she talked to them, or saw them, to know he was there. I'd probably have been yelling for Frankie and Hannah rather than a three year old. j.s.

Where is there any evidence that she knew B was there? If you are referring to the following quote from the Cincinnati Enquirer,

"She pounded on the door, calling for Frankie or for B to open the door for 'Aunt Jo.'"

Those are not BJM's words, this was just how the reporter wrote the story. I feel it is not completely accurate, but people are running with it.

 

[wlb22]

Where is there any evidence that she knew B was there? If you are referring to the following quote from the Cincinnati Enquirer,

"She pounded on the door, calling for Frankie or for B to open the door for 'Aunt Jo.'"

Those are not BJM's words, this was just how the reporter wrote the story. I feel it is not completely accurate, but people are running with it.

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I don't think she knew either...why would she not call out for Frankie or Hannah...not B

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM. I'm confused. Health insurance for dogs is required in Ohio? It isn't in the state I live in.

Not mine either but most people I know with pets have health insurance on them. A lot of companies here offer their employees the option of paying for health insurance on pets out of their paychecks each week just like they would health insurance on any family members. Otherwise if their pets get sick or hurt the vet bills can be enormous and cause a financial burden on the pet parents. (My chihuahua that passed in 2013 had 6000.00 in vet bills from surgery and specialists called in prior to the surgery.) Sorry I assumed that everyone is like me I guess and has health insurance on their pets. My bad.

 

[mrssmith23]

Not mine either but most people I know with pets have health insurance on them. A lot of companies here offer their employees the option of paying for health insurance on pets out of their paychecks each week just like they would health insurance on any family members. Otherwise if their pets get sick or hurt the vet bills can be enormous and cause a financial burden on the pet parents. (My chihuahua that passed in 2013 had 6000.00 in vet bills from surgery and specialists called in prior to the surgery.) Sorry I assumed that everyone is like me I guess and has health insurance on their pets. My bad.

I have never ever been offered health insurance for my pets. I didn't even know that was a thing lol.


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