I swear I am not a scholar either. I just like to help if I can, and I saw your reason for editing was "still can't do quote"
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I just have to say, you are are always so polite, helpful and thoughtful to others. I commend you. Kudos!
I swear I am not a scholar either. I just like to help if I can, and I saw your reason for editing was "still can't do quote"
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I've read and read until I am blue in the face. I am still convinced that my first theory that BJM was involved. I can't get by her statements and unexplained actions. There honestly isnt another explanation that sounds feasable to me. Cartel would of killed them all, including the children and dogs. Someone had to be able see enough to not accidently hit the babies next to their parents. The parents were shot multiple times in the head. So that tells me the killer/killers either turned the lights on or it was already light enough to see. First 911 call with BJM, she called police and asked to speak to a deputy at 7:49 to let them know her bil (KR1) looked like someone beat the crap out of him. She sounded like she was already outside when she made the call, she had to be near the mailbox to give them the address. Remember she left her cell in the car to charge. The driveway was near the mailbox. At least a minute went by until she gave them the address. Then she continues on in the conversation and tells them another person is also in the house dead and his name is Gary Rhoden. She explains there is blood everywhere. She says something about the bathroom, which I didnt catch. She then proceeds to offer information to dispatch, the front door was locked but she knew where the key was. She then proceeds to talk to another person at the scene and the dispatcher says she will send deputies out to address to not go into the house or let anyone else in. . Next, she goes to Frankies trailer, that door is also locked. She yells for Frankie or Brentley, let me in, its Aunt Jo. How did she know Brentley was there because according to the mother she dropped Brentley off late in the evening before. BJM never states she looked through a window and seen him. She says she went to the door and yelled to him to let her in. Then later in interviews with LM and BJM we learn there was another couple with her. Her brother was also on the scene quickly (JM) He went to a third residence and heard a baby crying, let himself in residence of DR and seen her feet and backed out of the door. Who called her brother? Who are these two mysterious people? She goes on to say that one of them followed her in a residence but she couldnt recall who. Is she waiting on to see whose fingerprints they found if any? Then she will remember who it was? Now you have KR living down the road, some distance in a almost desolute area way back off the main road. He is dead, but no one thought to check on him until 130 that afternoon. Then you have another relative only 500 yards that was left alone and is still alive. I know I missed some key points but all fingers point to her and possibly the mysterious people and maybe her brother. I am not even engaging in the idea of a cartel hit, they would of not known this area that well. I have never been to this area but in the dark I'm sure homes would be hard to see at night. With all the junk in these yards, someone would of tripped over stuff trying to leave. Unless you knew the area really well, the home layout real well and the exact locations of each house do I see this to be none other than family member.
http://www.kagstv.com/news/national/ohio-massacre-i-was-not-leaving-those-babies-in-there/185980238Did she say she knew Brentley was there?
Just jumping off you post..... You're right, LM did say that, but I'm thinking it's possible they were just motion activated lights that lit up, hence you look out the window of the trailer, hoping to see who is in the car...who knows what LM definition of camera/monitors is.
We live in a rural area and we have surveillance cameras because of 8 buildings with machinery, ATV's, vehicles, golf carts, etc in spread over several acres. We also have a driveway alarm that beeps in the house whenever somebody pulls in driveway and the beam catches the vehicle going by. However, in wide open areas with farm fields surrounding 3 sides of our home and buildings, it would be easy for someone to come in across a field and easily bypass the driveway, which IMO could've very well happened in this case as well. JMO
HOLY.....It was right near the window, pushed up against the wall into a corner. I remember seeing it and noticing it. It was on HHG or FR's FB, I don't know if I will be able to get it to pull up now, but I will try. WOWI wonder if it's possible the window that was open led to the bedroom and the bed was under the window? Maybe they never even stepped foot in the trailer!
I've read and read until I am blue in the face. I am still convinced that my first theory that BJM was involved. I can't get by her statements and unexplained actions. There honestly isnt another explanation that sounds feasable to me. Cartel would of killed them all, including the children and dogs. Someone had to be able see enough to not accidently hit the babies next to their parents. The parents were shot multiple times in the head. So that tells me the killer/killers either turned the lights on or it was already light enough to see. First 911 call with BJM, she called police and asked to speak to a deputy at 7:49 to let them know her bil (KR1) looked like someone beat the crap out of him. She sounded like she was already outside when she made the call, she had to be near the mailbox to give them the address. Remember she left her cell in the car to charge. The driveway was near the mailbox. At least a minute went by until she gave them the address. Then she continues on in the conversation and tells them another person is also in the house dead and his name is Gary Rhoden. She explains there is blood everywhere. She says something about the bathroom, which I didnt catch. She then proceeds to offer information to dispatch, the front door was locked but she knew where the key was. She then proceeds to talk to another person at the scene and the dispatcher says she will send deputies out to address to not go into the house or let anyone else in. . Next, she goes to Frankies trailer, that door is also locked. She yells for Frankie or Brentley, let me in, its Aunt Jo. How did she know Brentley was there because according to the mother she dropped Brentley off late in the evening before. BJM never states she looked through a window and seen him. She says she went to the door and yelled to him to let her in. Then later in interviews with LM and BJM we learn there was another couple with her. Her brother was also on the scene quickly (JM) He went to a third residence and heard a baby crying, let himself in residence of DR and seen her feet and backed out of the door. Who called her brother? Who are these two mysterious people? She goes on to say that one of them followed her in a residence but she couldnt recall who. Is she waiting on to see whose fingerprints they found if any? Then she will remember who it was? Now you have KR living down the road, some distance in a almost desolute area way back off the main road. He is dead, but no one thought to check on him until 130 that afternoon. Then you have another relative only 500 yards that was left alone and is still alive. I know I missed some key points but all fingers point to her and possibly the mysterious people and maybe her brother. I am not even engaging in the idea of a cartel hit, they would of not known this area that well. I have never been to this area but in the dark I'm sure homes would be hard to see at night. With all the junk in these yards, someone would of tripped over stuff trying to leave. Unless you knew the area really well, the home layout real well and the exact locations of each house do I see this to be none other than family member.
i noticed satellite dishes on Chris and Frankie's trailers. I've got no clue what satellite capabilities are nowadays.
This is hard for me to understand. If the killers didn't have silencers, the shots (at least 5) would certainly have woken the 3 year old in such a trailer. If he woke up, he probably would have seen the killers and could have described them to LE. No matter their reasons for leaving the young children alive, they would not have left a witness. This forces me to challenge my belief that they probably did not have silencers. Using silencers, although not common, is more plausible than A) The toddler was not awoken B) They left a witness . Given that many folks in the area were gun aficionados, I'm warming to the idea that silencers were indeed used.
This is hard for me to understand. If the killers didn't have silencers, the shots (at least 5) would certainly have woken the 3 year old in such a trailer. If he woke up, he probably would have seen the killers and could have described them to LE. No matter their reasons for leaving the young children alive, they would not have left a witness. This forces me to challenge my belief that they probably did not have silencers. Using silencers, although not common, is more plausible than A) The toddler was not awoken B) They left a witness . Given that many folks in the area were gun aficionados, I'm warming to the idea that silencers were indeed used.
I listened to the 911 call and no I dont think its fake. But I dont know her either. Maybe she didnt personally kill them, maybe she had it done and then she went in totally unprepared on what she saw. I haven't got past the inconsistencies in her story . I hope I am wrong.. I hope it was strangers that did this and she had nothing to do with it.So, you're saying her actions from the 911 call to the finding of bodies 3 and 4 were all part of an act? That her 911 call was fake and what we hear is not the voice of a truly horrified, even hysterical, woman? That she pretended to think bodies 1 and 2 were beaten to death, but she really knew they'd been shot to death? And that she at least had the help of the friend and spouse who were with her (and possibly her brother, too), if not more people, yet the massive number of highly-trained LE personnel dedicated to this case have not been able to make any of them crack? Sure, it's possible, I suppose.
It did. I'm pretty sure.Or, they may not have seen the little boy if he was on the sofa (not sure of the point of entry and exit though) Some single wide trailers have two doors on the back of them but I'm not sure theirs did, and I'm too tired to go looking lol.
Just a potential witness I guess.So your saying there was a witness?
It did. I'm pretty sure.
This subject of BJM being the perp has come up every few days, and I've made similar comments several times. There is absolutely no way she is involved. She didn't kill her sister, brother-in-law, and nieces and nephews. It just didn't happen. IF she had done it she'd be in jail by now. They took her clothes. I'd have to bet they tested her for gun powder residue. They day they arrest her and she's charged I'll eat my crow, but it just isn't going to happen.So, you're saying her actions from the 911 call to the finding of bodies 3 and 4 were all part of an act? That her 911 call was fake and what we hear is not the voice of a truly horrified, even hysterical, woman? That she pretended to think bodies 1 and 2 were beaten to death, but she really knew they'd been shot to death? And that she at least had the help of the friend and spouse who were with her (and possibly her brother, too), if not more people, yet the massive number of highly-trained LE personnel dedicated to this case have not been able to make any of them crack? Sure, it's possible, I suppose.
A lot of women carry in a tote, or large handbag here. Hubby runs around with his in a holster on his belt. I firmly believe that the knowledge that anyone could have a gun on them does deter crime, especially crimes against women. I would and have voted for open and concealed carry, but personally I would like for them to be required to have a permit as that requires a safety course. Legal age here is 21, thats why I like the safety course thing.