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rsd1200 said:
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Ray, re; the custody post; My post, ( #351, page 24, of thread 26), was not meant as a slight toward you.. I'd read your post, (#984, thread 25, page 66), re the custody hearing for August, but there was no link provided to verify it with, and no post # referring to which of BettyP's posts you'd gleaned the info from.

I did find the info interesting though, I hadn't heard it before, but, w/o a link, I couldn't post it as the Gospel so I gave you credit, as to where I'd read the information re; the August custody hearing but that's all I could do. Had I not had this *%^$# flu/virus bug, I'd probably looked & dug around for a link myself, but... I didn't. Again, that post was not meant as a slight toward you, in any way, Ray, but, as my signature reads, Unless there's a link, it's just my own 2¢, If you want to help me realize that your posts are credible, then include the links, to where you find your information, in your posts. That is the way that most of us do so, otherwise, if there's no links, the post is usually considered only our opinion. (No snark intended).

As far as me writing any articles about JW driving trucks and joining a Fund Me account...I have no idea what you are talking about unless I've been sleep posting.
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I think Ray was talking about Chris Graves who wrote that article back in may / june of last year "I hate to see my daughter cry" something like that. Ray did not mean you wrote it.
 
My take on the warrants being served the past couple of day: if in fact they were looking for the murder perps would they not have had them under some sort of surveillance to prevent harm to the child? I don't believe LE would risk the safety of the child, especially after13 months. Something is amiss. This chapter hasn't been fully written. Hopefully but doubtful, more information will come to light in the ensuing days.
 
jk204 said:
I think Ray was talking about Chris Graves who wrote that article back in may / june of last year "I hate to see my daughter cry" something like that. Ray did not mean you wrote it.
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Oh, that was quite confusing. I've gone back through my posts since page 66 of thread 25. :gaah:
 
Ray Pate said:
Please allow me to lay to rest the post of Betty's post of 964 of page 65,
thread 25'She gave a link to the August hearing of the bio father of HR''s
4 day old baby and other bits and pieces of Information, written by Chris
Graves..This post is intended to help rsd to realize that my post came from
a reliable source..The article she wrote stated that Mr.Wagner drove trucks
for a living until the oldest child was awarded to him and he quit driving and
changed jobs to work so he could be home with his daughter at night..The
new job paid him half of the salary he made driving trucks and he has to
drive 2/12 hours to drive to the second job..he is devastated with the expenses
of receiving custody and has joined FUND ME to raise $20,000.00 to
pay courts and lawyers. My question,if his family is wealthy,, why beg for
money.? Something to think about..
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Family wealth doesn't always cover everyone. My brother writes a check for a new car. I had to refinance my house to buy a ten year old used car. He worked hard to get where he is. I don't expect anything from him...
 
ohioexpat63 said:
My take on the warrants being served the past couple of day: if in fact they were looking for the murder perps would they not have had them under some sort of surveillance to prevent harm to the child? I don't believe LE would risk the safety of the child, especially after13 months. Something is amiss. This chapter hasn't been fully written. Hopefully but doubtful, more information will come to light in the ensuing days.
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I would hope so. In fact, you'd think they would have them under surveillance and arrest at a time and place where there is the most safety for the child. I.e. when suspect is at work, etc. It concerns me that there are a couple comments on JW's old fb under pictures where people say they miss him and Sophia, giving the impression they may have moved away. I would imagine LE would know where he is though, that is if he himself is actually a suspect. For all we know it could be other people who did the actual deed while he was home with his child.
This is still not a sealed deal. If any of you followed the Wetterling case, this may bring back the memory of the POI's parents farm being not only seaeched, but dug up, looking for evidence and remains. Only to learn 5 years later the POI had nothing to do with the murder. They were completely and totally off base.

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molly1255 said:
Interesting article: http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com...6/05/pike-county-got-left-just-kids/85442712/

When this article was written, JW thought there was a 50/50 chance he was the father of HR's infant. I imagine LE knows the identity of the father, but I've not read where that information has ever been released to the public.
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The whole custody situation sounds as if it's been handled in a very unusual way. From the linked article:

But no one in the family knows where the babies are or with whom. They don’t know if the little cousins are together or apart.

Some can’t help but wonder if the babies will recognize them. Others wonder if whoever is caring for the babies shows them photos of their parents or talks about them.
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Somehow, they deem the surviving Rhoden family members are a threat to the children's safety, but the person they suspected of the crime wasn't? Were these decisions made by the Pike County juvenile court judge or by law enforcement or both? There needs to be a public accounting for how these custody cases are being handled.

Maybe I'm missing something, but none of this makes sense.
 
rsd1200 said:
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Property records show the owners of 260 Peterson as:

WAGNER EDWARD J &/OR WAGNER GEORGE W IV :thinking:
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Wow, I have been gone too long seems like, but i am finally caught up with a little free time.

Wasn't some of the "trouble" the Rhoden were involved in prior to their deaths with JW showing up at the hospital after the birth of HR's baby?

I hope this is not against TOS. I need to go back and reread I guess. Been gone too long.
 
I need help with some questions but seeking clarity on TOS before throwing it out here.
Q- Now that we know publicly a search warrant was executed at Flying W Farms can we discuss other businesses owned by this family?
 
Betty P said:
Yes, it seems likely others were involved, possibly others did the killings. They may have relied on the Wagners to give them the inside information, when everyone would be home, where security cameras were, etc. Remember Reader and DeWine have both said this crime is bigger than the cockfighting, etc.

For now the mystery is the property on State Hwy 41, how they're connected.
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With the connection to truck driving ect, drug trafficking maybe? CR1 and KR were obviously selling the MJ they grew. Maybe this is how they got it to market?
 
mamamumbles said:
I would hope so. In fact, you'd think they would have them under surveillance and arrest at a time and place where there is the most safety for the child. I.e. when suspect is at work, etc. It concerns me that there are a couple comments on JW's old fb under pictures where people say they miss him and Sophia, giving the impression they may have moved away. I would imagine LE would know where he is though, that is if he himself is actually a suspect. For all we know it could be other people who did the actual deed while he was home with his child.
This is still not a sealed deal. If any of you followed the Wetterling case, this may bring back the memory of the POI's parents farm being not only seaeched, but dug up, looking for evidence and remains. Only to learn 5 years later the POI had nothing to do with the murder. They were completely and totally off base.

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Someone could be purposely trying to redirect suspicions away from the real perps toward someone under watch already. Who knows at this point.
Reminds me of the joke about the guy who anonymously reported drugs buried in his garden to he didn't have to spade it...lol
 
Betty P said:
How can they say they were hoping to arrest suspects when they blew into town with such fanfare? Convoys of LE vehicles with flashing lights, blocking traffic, etc. Yeah, I'm sure that didn't give the suspects any advance notice.

Note to DeWine & Reader: If you want to arrest them, you have to sneak up on them.

Somebody please call the FBI. :gaah:
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Looking at the properties owned by the Wagner family, could we have found our Boss Hogg we talked about earlier on here?
 
Betty P said:
The whole custody situation sounds as if it's been handled in a very unusual way. From the linked article:



Somehow, they deem the surviving Rhoden family members are a threat to the children's safety, but the person they suspected of the crime wasn't? Were these decisions made by the Pike County juvenile court judge or by law enforcement or both? There needs to be a public accounting for how these custody cases are being handled.

Maybe I'm missing something, but none of this makes sense.
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Am not sure that I am allowed to post this as I heard it on WLW radio, therefore no link, so please advise if this is not ok.

Radio host (and lawyer) Bill Cunningham interviewed Mike DeWine, specifically asking about the surviving children. DeWine stated that they were placed with non-family members for their own safety in case the killer or killers returned to murder them also. He also stated the location of the foster families was being closely protected due to their safety and the safety of the children.

This made no sense to me because why would the killer(s) spare the children the first time and then seek them out to murder them?
 
IceIce9 said:
Am not sure that I am allowed to post this as I heard it on WLW radio, therefore no link, so please advise if this is not ok.

Radio host (and lawyer) Bill Cunningham interviewed Mike DeWine, specifically asking about the surviving children. DeWine stated that they were placed with non-family members for their own safety in case the killer or killers returned to murder them also. He also stated the location of the foster families was being closely protected due to their safety and the safety of the children.

This made no sense to me because why would the killer(s) spare the children the first time and then seek them out to murder them?
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It doesn't make sense. I think there is way more to the story than what has been released to the public. JMO.
 
The FBI should have been called in as soon as they found the bodies...Reeder must have wanted to be a hero thinking that he could solve these murders on his own..I think they screwed it all up!
 
I'm pretty sure we aren't supposed to sleuth the owners of the flying w, just the property. If I'm wrong, I hope the mods let us know.w.
 
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