OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #27

[Jennifer17]

I am beginning to believe it's about drug trafficking on the Highway 23 corridor and LE is trying to keep it under wraps so no one else gets killed. And to keep from tipping off all the members of the ring.

The Highway 23 Drug task force went with LE to search the horse ranch. Why did they go there if it is not about drug trafficking? That s what they do, investigate trafficking on the 23 corridor. No other reason for them to be.

So did SWAT. They were anticipating some serious resistance. Maybe the AK47 kind.

Reader said drugs likely not involved. I agree that they may not have been directly involved, as in CR and KR dealing or transporting the drugs.

But CR1 and KR could have been letting the runners stash some loads of drugs on their properties for safe keeping until they were transported on.

One thing we have yet to discuss. Why was the property on Peterson RD in JW and GW4's name? GW3 and AW lived there. I cannot believe that property did not belong to the parents. If it didn't, where did the parents live prior to moving in with their sons?. I could see the parents living with their sons if they were in their 80's but they look to be in their 40's.

Was the property in the son's names because their credit rating wasn't good enough to finance it? Because they didn't have the provable income to finance it? To circumvent the RICO Act?

I must say that parents in their forties living in their son's home is unusual. It is usually the other way around, the sons living in the parents home.[/QUOTE]

BBM
We don't know for sure what the living


arrangements were, recently, but I think that originally the home was purchased by the brothers for them, their respective girlfriends, and children, to live there together.


Neither of the boys are boys, they're adults. JW was at least 20 when he bought that home, and he had a job. Both boy seem like workers. The Peterson Rd. home is not as large as it looks either if you check the pva. If they all were staying in there, it was probably fairly crowded, especially for a married set of parents, two grown men, and two young children. They could probably make it work though if need be. There was enough property that if one of them wanted their own home, later on, that they could build one.


HMR has a post on her FB, on Nov. 2013 that has her status updated to "Married to JW". A poster asked When??? HMR responded that they weren't married, but they may as well be.


By the time she was expecting S, who was probably born around mid-year of 2014, they'd been together for three years. JW & GW would have known that they were going to become fathers, well before the purchase date of the farm on Peterson. I think becoming fathers, pooling their money on the farm, and their kids and gfs moving in and being one big happy family was the dream in the beginning and then something happened. Idk what happened but it probably started around mid to late July of 2015.

I think (maybe mistaken) that the house was the parent's names and they put it in the son's names, not so long ago. Maybe the sons were living with the parents and putting the property in the sons names would look better for a custody case.

 

[Renee110]

If they had anything useful on JW, they would not have left him leave the state. They apparently have nothing on him that would hold up in court.

Right. Because our system is perfect and no one can be bought. Not trying to offend you just saying...


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[rsd1200]

This whole GPS thing stinks to high heaven from what has transpired.
It seems that the warrant to place the GPS was done to provoke JM to do what he did. For all we know, the truck at some point in it's 20 year life may have been used by a suspect in another murder.

This is an LE tactic to sweat JM pure and simple. Hopefully there is some holding LE accountable if they are barking up the wrong tree.

JMO


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:ditto: and Amen!

 

[rsd1200]

I wouldn't call it Mountain Justice exactly, because there are plenty of people that believe in vigilante justice, but I do agree that this could be someone(s) idea of justice. The fact that a whole family was killed says to me that they all paid a price regardless of whether all committed the "crime" or not. Everyone with that name is gone. The fact that limitless innocent children were spared also says to me this is personal and revenge. A cartel or drug-crazed person etc wouldn't spare babies.... To shoot and kill mothers with children in bed beside them and miss and spare the babies... They were very careful to do that. Really weird to me. Heartless and cold on one hand, and then forgiving and merciful on the other. Shiver.


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It's not meant in a derogatory manner. That's just what we call it ourselves. That, or hillbilly justice, or creek justice. Happened not long ago to extended family member's family. Their aunt and uncle are now facing double murder trials, coming up fairly soon, and life in prison.

 

[rsd1200]

I think (maybe mistaken) that the house was the parent's names and they put it in the son's names, not so long ago. Maybe the sons were living with the parents and putting the property in the sons names would look better for a custody case.

It would have shown up at the PVA that the parents were the original purchasers and then performed a transfer deed to their sons if that were the case. It shows only that JW & GW bought it from Seller I Can't Name B/c of TOS, on 2/14/2014, for $175k, and that it was a valid, Warranty Deed.

 

[rsd1200]

Quotes function seems to be messed up.

Thanks for the link Han.

WoW! Alrighty then. Guess I should have seen that coming. JM looks a lot different to me w/o the beard. Wonder how long he has had that beard?

He has a lawyer: James Boulger (reminds me of Whitey Bulger). He "assumed they had evidence to support the arrest" and was prepared to go forward with it today. But noooooooo assistant prosecuting attorney asked that the charges be dismissed. That way everything remains sealed for Grand Jury.

Junk would not say whether investigators consider Manley more than a witness or whether he plans to present the case to Grand Jury on THURSDAY!

JM's lawyer Boulger is probably going to challenge the results of the lie detector test (as well he should)!!!!

More charges could be forthcoming.

JM lost his job that he has had for years because of the publicity. WoW!

It's all at the link provided by Han: http://local12.com/news/local/case-...ounty-massacre-to-go-straight-to-a-grand-jury

It reads:

Boulger also said Manley was taken off of a job at the company where he has been employed for many years because of the publicity surrounding the charges.

Maybe they didn't fire him. Maybe they took him off of one job and placed him on a less visible one or laid him off until they find out what is going on. This family has had so much trauma, I hate to see this man, and his family suffer. We don't know if he is guilty or not guilty, but it's supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. If I'd found that thing on my truck after my family had been slaughtered, right down the street, (and knew was a tracker), I'd have taken it off too, but I sure wouldn't have told LM! I had no clue that it was so easy for LE, to toss out such a piddly reason, and get approval, to put one of those things on your property.

 

[pearl]

Sounds very possible. The secrecy involved in this investigation is beyond anything I've ever seen. What do you think is driving the secrecy and delays?

1 Possible ongoing undercover investigation into organized crime in the area (drugs, MJ, car theft, money laundering, etc.) Keeping the case quiet until they're ready to lower the boom. May have undercover agents at risk.

2 Political - Case is taking longer to solve than they thought, is getting touchy. Sweep it under the rug until after the 2018 election and give the guvner time to re-establish his PR campaign for 2020

3 Boss Hog - Keeping evidence under wraps and applying pressure to pin it on local underlings in local criminal networks to avoid exposing any local powerful interests who are part of the underground crime network

4 Combination of any of the above or something else?????

ETA: Regarding friends on social media, some of it may be the old "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" rationale?

I think the secrecy and delays are a combination of #1 and part of #3.
The following are my thoughts and opinions.
The Rhoden/Gilley murders were up close and personal. Basically, two generations of one branch of the Rhoden family tree were killed. This brings to my mind that the motive may very well end up being resentment/hatred/envy of someone close to them. Several theories have merit for me.
In committing these murders, I think the killer(s) unintentionally opened a Pandora's Box that has led to Betty P's #1 and #3 situations.
I think that a massive criminal enterprise was discovered as a result of the murders. Something maybe interstate in scope be it drugs, vehicle or heavy equipment theft, or whatever. Now, a criminal enterprise has to have a top man/woman and here is where "Boss Hogg" enters. I think the Rhoden/Gilley murderer(s) acted entirely on their own. I just don't see Boss Hogg calling for or sanctioning such a headline-grabbing situation as these murders are. Let's put Boss Hogg on hold for a little bit.
The Rhoden men may have been involved in some way, shape, or form with the large criminal enterprise. I am not putting them down if they were. (Off topic here, the father of one of my life-long friends was an old moonshiner, could make the stuff "taste almost as smooth as sipping whiskey" as they used to say, wonderful people, salt of the earth.) LE could have discovered information at the murder scenes about the big criminal enterprise. LE could be trying to follow the chain of command up to Boss Hogg.
Perhaps the killers are also in some way involved with the criminal enterprise too. However, I don't think their motive is in any way related to it.
Boss Hogg would not be happy with the killer(s) if this happened. In fact, he/she might want to make their miserable lives worse. Boss Hogg may believe that the killer(s) might throw him/her under the bus to get themselves some help.
So, long supposition short, people who have not been truthful with LE and could help the murder investigation progress are doing so out of fear of keeping the attention of Boss Hogg and not really fear of the killers themselves.
Lastly, I still think KR was a crime of opportunity in that his killer knew the others were dead and decided to use it as a cover for theft.

 

[rsd1200]

I think the secrecy and delays are a combination of #1 and part of #3.
The following are my thoughts and opinions.
The Rhoden/Gilley murders were up close and personal. Basically, two generations of one branch of the Rhoden family tree were killed. This brings to my mind that the motive may very well end up being resentment/hatred/envy of someone close to them. Several theories have merit for me.
In committing these murders, I think the killer(s) unintentionally opened a Pandora's Box that has led to Betty P's #1 and #3 situations.
I think that a massive criminal enterprise was discovered as a result of the murders. Something maybe interstate in scope be it drugs, vehicle or heavy equipment theft, or whatever. Now, a criminal enterprise has to have a top man/woman and here is where "Boss Hogg" enters. I think the Rhoden/Gilley murderer(s) acted entirely on their own. I just don't see Boss Hogg calling for or sanctioning such a headline-grabbing situation as these murders are. Let's put Boss Hogg on hold for a little bit.
The Rhoden men may have been involved in some way, shape, or form with the large criminal enterprise. I am not putting them down if they were. (Off topic here, the father of one of my life-long friends was an old moonshiner, could make the stuff "taste almost as smooth as sipping whiskey" as they used to say, wonderful people, salt of the earth.) LE could have discovered information at the murder scenes about the big criminal enterprise. LE could be trying to follow the chain of command up to Boss Hogg.
Perhaps the killers are also in some way involved with the criminal enterprise too. However, I don't think their motive is in any way related to it.
Boss Hogg would not be happy with the killer(s) if this happened. In fact, he/she might want to make their miserable lives worse. Boss Hogg may believe that the killer(s) might throw him/her under the bus to get themselves some help.
So, long supposition short, people who have not been truthful with LE and could help the murder investigation progress are doing so out of fear of keeping the attention of Boss Hogg and not really fear of the killers themselves.
Lastly, I still think KR was a crime of opportunity in that his killer knew the others were dead and decided to use it as a cover for theft.

I like it.

 

[wlb22]

I wouldn't call it Mountain Justice exactly, because there are plenty of people that believe in vigilante justice, but I do agree that this could be someone(s) idea of justice. The fact that a whole family was killed says to me that they all paid a price regardless of whether all committed the "crime" or not. Everyone with that name is gone. The fact that limitless innocent children were spared also says to me this is personal and revenge. A cartel or drug-crazed person etc wouldn't spare babies.... To shoot and kill mothers with children in bed beside them and miss and spare the babies... They were very careful to do that. Really weird to me. Heartless and cold on one hand, and then forgiving and merciful on the other. Shiver.






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There is no evidence that JW committed these murders...why is he convicted on this form from some people?

 

[jk204]

All the witnesses are people close to the family: the last to see the victims alive, the ones who discovered them, the ones who changed plans. All are mothers or fathers.

None of them have prior convictions related to drugs except for JR.**

It's possibly bigger than it looks. But it's not about drugs. If you can't think of anything else, you need more imagination.

 

[jk204]

When I joined websleuths one year ago, I was concerned people were looking the wrong way while the media were distracted with the drug angle.

We tend to forget women are too often the victims of senseless violence. Innocent people are killed by people they know or love, for greed, revenge, jalousy or for their ideas. I tried to make that point so to balance the online conversation that supports calls for information.

Recent developments made public have finally changed the perception of this case in the community. I am a little more optimistic people with knowledge are going to disclose what they know.

This case is now at a point where I feel my input to the conversation is no longer needed. I enjoyed discussing this case with you all.

 

[OsoTejano]

I think (maybe mistaken) that the house was the parent's names and they put it in the son's names, not so long ago. Maybe the sons were living with the parents and putting the property in the sons names would look better for a custody case.

If the parents had a tax lien or civil judgement, that would be a reason for putting the property in the sons name also.


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[RAISINISBACK]

The SWAT people were for more personnel to search a large area. No reason to believe they thought there would be a shoot out or something. A warrant means they got a judge to believe there was probable cause to believe something might be found. Why do you think they under surveillance for an arrest warrant? BCI is running the investigation so they are responsible for any surveillance. I do not believe that anyone dropped the ball and JW escaped. I think they decided to do the search AFTER JW left town and they had access to what was in the trailers. We do not know what they used as a reason to do the search or if they found anything at all that has to do with the case. For all we know everyone in the whole state is as guilty as anyone the police are investigating.

IMO they don't roll out that many personnel (33 cars according to a reporter that counted them) unless they have a good reason, especially SWAT. Those guys don't do searches for evidence. They go in when they have reason to believe there will be resistance or a hostage situation. Three counties, plus BCI and SWAT. No they thought something big was going down. And I don't think they knew JW and company had already blew town.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Quotes function seems to be messed up.

Thanks for the link Han.

WoW! Alrighty then. Guess I should have seen that coming. JM looks a lot different to me w/o the beard. Wonder how long he has had that beard?

He has a lawyer: James Boulger (reminds me of Whitey Bulger). He "assumed they had evidence to support the arrest" and was prepared to go forward with it today. But noooooooo assistant prosecuting attorney asked that the charges be dismissed. That way everything remains sealed for Grand Jury.

Junk would not say whether investigators consider Manley more than a witness or whether he plans to present the case to Grand Jury on THURSDAY!

JM's lawyer Boulger is probably going to challenge the results of the lie detector test (as well he should)!!!!

More charges could be forthcoming.

JM lost his job that he has had for years because of the publicity. WoW!

It's all at the link provided by Han: http://local12.com/news/local/case-...ounty-massacre-to-go-straight-to-a-grand-jury

The veteran defense attorney said he believes investigators filed the charges in an effort to get Manley to reveal information about the murders.

Why wouldn't he tell everything he knows about the murders? That was his family, his sister and niece and nephews that were killed. Why hold back information from LE?

JM needs to cowboy up and tell LE everything he knows in exchange for protection for his family.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

And that tracking device thingo, almost seems like entrapment to me. If they think that he killed or had killed his sister and family, why don't they just charge him with it. It seems that they are really harassing this man.

I, for one, don't want to believe JM is involved, because I too have a soft spot for LM and don't want to see him suffer more. But let's not forget that LE believes this man is withholding information about his sister's murder. How many of us on here would withhold information in a family members murder? Why is he withholding that information from investigators? If that was my sister I would be camped out in the investigators office 24/7 telling everything I knew from the day I was born.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

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Maybe they didn't fire him. Maybe they took him off of one job and placed him on a less visible one or laid him off until they find out what is going on. This family has had so much trauma, I hate to see this man, and his family suffer. We don't know if he is guilty or not guilty, but it's supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. If I'd found that thing on my truck after my family had been slaughtered, right down the street, (and knew was a tracker), I'd have taken it off too, but I sure wouldn't have told LM! I had no clue that it was so easy for LE, to toss out such a piddly reason, and get approval, to put one of those things on your property.

Maybe it is just me, but I would not have taken it off. I would have backed up as far as I could get from the truck and called the police. Anyone could have put that device on there even a private investigator or the killers. And if my family had been murdered just under a mile from my house I would not be thinking it was put on my truck to benefit me.

 

[Agent.99]

I, for one, don't want to believe JM is involved, because I too have a soft spot for LM and don't want to see him suffer more. But let's not forget that LE believes this man is withholding information about his sister's murder. How many of us on here would withhold information in a family members murder? Why is he withholding that information from investigators? If that was my sister I would be camped out in the investigators office 24/7 telling everything I knew from the day I was born.

Agreed. I also would like to believe he was not involved, so for now anyway, I have to think in his heart he does want it solved, he just doesn't want to be the one to provide the information if it will cause further pain and suffering to his or another family close to him. No matter what his thinking is, I hope he has a change of heart.

 

[rotary_dial]

How many of us on here would withhold information in a family members murder? Why is he withholding that information from investigators?

Snipped.

They believe he is withholding information, that doesn't mean he actually is.

Maybe he wants to pursue justice himself. I'm an only child so I don't know what it feels like to lose a sister. I do have a child though. If I knew who killed my child I probably would seek revenge because there are too many ways for the courts to screw things up. I would gladly serve the sentence for what I did because it would be just in my eyes.


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[Betty P]

I, for one, don't want to believe JM is involved, because I too have a soft spot for LM and don't want to see him suffer more. But let's not forget that LE believes this man is withholding information about his sister's murder. How many of us on here would withhold information in a family members murder? Why is he withholding that information from investigators? If that was my sister I would be camped out in the investigators office 24/7 telling everything I knew from the day I was born.

I can think of a couple of reasons he may be doing this:

1 He doesn't know as much as LE thinks he knows

2 He doesn't trust LE to protect him if he tells them who did it

3 He doesn't trust LE to not take the information and use it against him instead of going after the killers


People in this area don't trust LE, probably for valid reasons. Pike, Adams and other counties have had problems with corruption and criminal activity in the police departments. It's a fact. A quick google search will show that to anyone who hasn't looked.

ETA: To revisit a few of the theories we've discussed before: What if a current or former LEO was one of the killers? What if one of the killers was a relative or friend of LE? Small town, it can happen. Undercover informant?

 

[KR4ZINE]

I can't think of any reason a GPS tracker would have been used on a TRUCK with possible involvement in "aggravated murder." If LE suspects that the truck was used for transportation of a murderer, or even if it was used in a vehicular homicide, I could see them taking DNA evidence from the inside, paint samples, tire casts, and that sort of thing. The GPS is only good for tracking a person. I've stewed on this for days, trying to think of any reason that a truck (not the driver) would be tracked, and I've got nothing. The truck doesn't drive itself. We don't know what they think JM has done or hasn't done, but LE is leaning heavy on this guy, and they obviously didn't have the evidence to get a warrant to track HIM. It doesn't sit right with me that they tracked him under false pretenses then arrested him for destroying the tracker (presumably to put more pressure on him to get him talking). If they've got nothing on this guy besides suspicion, what they are doing is harassing him.

As an Ohio resident, I've been following this case for several reasons, one of them being to find out how DeWine handles this investigation. Is he following the law, or breaking it when it is convenient to do so? My (possible) future Governor better be adhering to the law and have integrity, or he is not getting my vote. Unfortunately, so far, there are many things to raise an eyebrow at concerning the investigation of this case, not just the GPS tracker on the truck. I'll hold out judgement until all the facts are in of course, but I want to know that the Attorney General/Future Governor isn't willing to the break/bend the law when it suits him.