OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #29

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They have quite a presence on Long Island, NY, too. The killings there have gotten so bad, the experts recently testified about it in Congressional hearings.

MS-13 is turning Long Island into a homicide hotbed

http://nypost.com/2017/05/24/ms-13-is-turning-long-island-into-a-homicide-hotbed/

Scary people!

From your link:

The gang has about 400 members in the county; the average age of those arrested is 18 and the most common crime is assault with its “signature” weapon — the machete.

I hope there are ways to combat this gang so communities don't have to live in fear!
 
Yes! In all of the interviews, and both of his, including the email, at no point, did he, nor anyone else say anything about S.

JW never mentions getting a frantic call that morning, that HMR and everyone there was deceased, except for the newborn, and they couldn't find S. Was she with him by any chance?!

JM never mentions little S. He could hear the baby and didn't want to see his niece like that, but never mentions not wanting to see his nephew, or possibly little S "like that", too. Why was he only worried about not seeing HMR "like that"?

KR2 talks about how close she and HMR were, but never once says a thing about anyone worrying about little S.

LM said they had to go back three times to find CR2. Did he leave out something? Were they also searching for S?

So if JM knew that S wasn’t there, then it leaves 2 possibilities:

1) JM knew from DR or directly from JW the night before that S wasn't there. It would confirm LM's comment regarding texts and would contradict JW who denied it.

2) or JM has been in the home prior to the arrival of EMS.
 
I wonder if there's any chance that this is all just made up by LE to stir things up. Maybe get some of the locals stirred up, worried, talking? Maybe get some of them coming to the police asking for "protection", etc.?
 
Let me put it in my Daughter-in-law, who is from Mexico, words when she read that statement from Reader then. (After she stopped laughing of course.)

She said and these are her words not mine "a Mexican MS-13 gang member going to a white county like Pike would be like a white hillbilly going to Mexico. His accent would give him away." LOL

Let's be real here. How many of you good people who live in the area really think an Hispanic gang member could blend in?

And those examples you gave? You might not see MS 13 on their face but you can stake your bowl of apples it is on their arms or the back of their necks. It will be visible somewhere on their body.

Back when tobacco was king, we'd have several migrants come through, and work the crops, and then go back home. Usually the same folks each year. Now that tobacco has been nudged off of the throne, you don't see them much any more. If a large number of folks of Hispanic decent were to show up in the county, they'd stand out like a sore thumb. We're not used to seeing them anymore. If they showed up all tatted up w/gang symbols, they'd definitely stand out, as would any other type of folks tatted up with gang symbols. Some folks think the Juggalo folks are a gang for Pete's sake, if a real gang hit town, there'd be phone calls within seconds of their arrival, and I'm pretty sure the same could be said for Piketon. News travels fast in small, rural, places.
 
At the time of the Rhoden murders, the governor had been out of the state for some time while running for POTUS. He didn't return to the state at that time. Grandstanding or no, people expect their elected officials to be leading in this kind of situation.
The State's Attorney General is the top law enforcement agent in the county. Other than maybe a "press release" or maybe even an actual statement I wouldn't expect my Governor to be involved in a criminal matter. (And this is not in Defense of Kasich...I have no use for the man).
 
Yes! In all of the interviews, and both of his, including the email, at no point, did he, nor anyone else say anything about S.

JW never mentions getting a frantic call that morning, that HMR and everyone there was deceased, except for the newborn, and they couldn't find S. Was she with him by any chance?!

JM never mentions little S. He could hear the baby and didn't want to see his niece like that, but never mentions not wanting to see his nephew, or possibly little S "like that", too. Why was he only worried about not seeing HMR "like that"?

KR2 talks about how close she and HMR were, but never once says a thing about anyone worrying about little S.

LM said they had to go back three times to find CR2. Did he leave out something? Were they also searching for S?

Who finally ended up bringing Baby K out of the home? BJM or LE when they arrived? I haven't a clue of why he would not get the baby even if he did not want to see HMR "like that" other than perhaps being scared the killer was still in the home. It really doesn't set well that he made that comment. When he said "like that" was it that he did not want to find her like he found DR?

IF JW had S in his custody and was scheduled to drop her off on Friday next day what time would he have dropped off S at DR's? I find it hard to believe his new and improved version of events.
 
The hispanics would stand out like a sore thumb because there's not a lot of farm labor there that is not done by families that own the farms, but the white tattooed people that claim membership to Konvicted Family already live basically next door. They blend in really well.

The Konvicted Family, for the most part is a prison gang, not a street gang. Some are lifers or near lifers, some are not. In prison, you nearly have to choose up a side, whether you adhere to their entire belief system, or not, or at least have some sort of buddy system, in order to survive. Most of the gangs in lower security prisons are passive. If a prison gang member does get out, then they've most likely lived in the community that they go back to, or nearby, prior to going to prison, and folks know them already. According to what they did to get put into prison, most likely still be right leery of them, anyway.
 
Scary people!

From your link:

The gang has about 400 members in the county; the average age of those arrested is 18 and the most common crime is assault with its “signature” weapon — the machete.

I hope there are ways to combat this gang so communities don't have to live in fear!

They're trying to deal with the problem by deporting them, but another article about the history of the gang reveals they began back in the '80s, and that they learned their gang and violence tactics in US prisons. They deported many back then, but they just returned to El Salvador and other home countries to create newer, bigger stronger gangs there, using what they learned in the US. El Salvador jailed them, which resulted in big increases in gang membership & activity. When El Salvador released them, they cut loose in big numbers and helped fuel a civil war, which led to more people escaping El Salvador and coming to the US. Ditto for Honduras and other Central American countries. Oy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/06/trump-ms-13/528453/

Whether or not they or other gangs become a bigger threat to Pike Co over the drug busts, it's good that Reader gave this information to the public. Innocent people become victims of these groups. Better the locals be aware of the threat than to not know what could happen. If I were LE, I wouldn't want that on my conscience.
 
Not all of them are Salvadorans, though. If the higher ups in the gang were working with locals in their drug network, those locals could have prevailed upon them to spare the small children. Ringleaders would have had nothing to lose by giving in to their request and sparing infants and toddlers.

As Reader was fond of saying, the killers came in like thieves in the night to kill this family. They're experienced.

ETA: We don't know which gang could have been behind the Rhoden killings. There are multiple groups that work in that part of Ohio in the drug trade. Locals in the drug biz likely know who they are. While MS-13 may not have been responsible for the Rhoden killings, the investigation is upsetting their business and they're talking of retaliating.

BBM

A large percentage of MS-13 are Honduran and Salvadorian. MS-13 is responsible for a lot of criminal activity in Honduras and El salvador also.

The higher up in MS-13 are almost to a man Hispanic.

I don't know about the other gang Konvicted Family since there isn't much about them on the net, but from what I have read about MS-13 they have been known to kill any kids with the parents. They are really racist against whites also. Of course in light of the political atmosphere about Mexicans these days I can't say I much blame them. I have heard people in stores tell my DIL to go back to Mexico where she belongs.

I think the investigation upsetting their business is the one that is making arrests of a certain family we can't talk about on here, not the R investigation.

On another note, after some thought, it almost seems like Sheriff Reader is warning the ones arrested not to talk. Not to "snitch." I don't know if he is just not real bright or he has a vested interest in keeping anyone involved quiet.
 
On another note, after some thought, it almost seems like Sheriff Reader is warning the ones arrested not to talk. Not to "snitch." I don't know if he is just not real bright or he has a vested interest in keeping anyone involved quiet.

Yes, I wondered about that, too. I hope not. The drug crime in these areas need to be cleaned up.
 
The State's Attorney General is the top law enforcement agent in the county. Other than maybe a "press release" or maybe even an actual statement I wouldn't expect my Governor to be involved in a criminal matter. (And this is not in Defense of Kasich...I have no use for the man).

I think it goes without saying that the Rhoden murders were on a much larger scale than most local crimes. Combined with a growing epidemic of drug addiction and death, along with massive budget cuts the Ohio GA and the governor were making to funds for local communities to combat the problem, yeah, I'd say he is responsible. As is the Speaker of the Ohio House, who is also representative for this district. Money is what these communities need to fight these problems and the big guys control the money. It doesn't help that the gov spent most of 2016 out of state while locals were wrestling with declining funds and increasing crime, drug problems and economic instability. He did make it back to the state long enough to sign the bills for the budget cuts, though.
 
About JM saying that he didn't want to see his niece like that... has he been quoted as saying that himself to media? As I recall it was his wife who quoted him.
 
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...-case-because-authorities-clueless/431678001/

Interview with the W's attorney.

He says the W's are being harassed by the AG because, "the authorities are clueless, incompetent or they themselves are involved in a cover-up." Them's strong words if you ask me.

Dewine says, "We're not where we were two months ago. We're further along than we were two months ago. We had a significant leap in where we were."

Sounds to me like a W family vs. LE pissing match, and someone is going to need to apologize to the other.

:pillowfight2:
 
I don't think the kids were left in the beds during the killings. They didn't want the babies dead. You can't see in the dark. I think the babies were removed, put back. I think that all of the folks at DR's were awake. Hearsay has it that DR was found just inside the door by JM. Hearsay has it that CR2 was found hiding between his bead and the wall. HMR was in bed w/the infant. I figure she was possibly taken second, and CR2 tried to hide, but they knew he was there (even though based on what we've learned, it would not have been unlikely for him to have been staying somewhere else that night, even on a weekday, it seems that's normal in this family.). If either FR or HHG may have started awake, and someone is there with a gun and you've got a child(ren), and they're telling you if you move, they'll shoot the kids, then you'll likely not move. They shoot FR & HHG, and put the baby back. Either way the assailant(s) are still black-hearted demon(s).

With night vision goggles that are pretty common now and/or a laser sight on a gun would make doing this in the dark relatively easy. The bullet hits where the little red dot appears. They may not have even seen Kylie. I don't think it is possible to know if CR2 was hiding behind his bed before he was shot or fell behind it after from what we know. LE would know if any bullets passed through him or from the entry angle. How someone could do this crime is what got me following it. It definitely was a heartless crime. I feel bad running over worms on the road after a heavy rain so this is well beyond my comprehension...
 
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...-case-because-authorities-clueless/431678001/

Interview with the W's attorney.

He says the W's are being harassed by the AG because, "the authorities are clueless, incompetent or they themselves are involved in a cover-up." Them's strong words if you ask me.

Dewine says, "We're not where we were two months ago. We're further along than we were two months ago. We had a significant leap in where we were."

Sounds to me like a W family vs. LE pissing match, and someone is going to need to apologize to the other.

:pillowfight2:


Mike Brady comes to mind. Where ever you go that's where you are.




"We're not where we were two months ago. We're further along than we were two months ago," DeWine told The Enquirer before a gubernatorial campaign event in Cincinnati. "We had a significant leap in where we were."
 
BBM

A large percentage of MS-13 are Honduran and Salvadorian. MS-13 is responsible for a lot of criminal activity in Honduras and El salvador also.

The higher up in MS-13 are almost to a man Hispanic.

I don't know about the other gang Konvicted Family since there isn't much about them on the net, but from what I have read about MS-13 they have been known to kill any kids with the parents. They are really racist against whites also. Of course in light of the political atmosphere about Mexicans these days I can't say I much blame them. I have heard people in stores tell my DIL to go back to Mexico where she belongs.

I think the investigation upsetting their business is the one that is making arrests of a certain family we can't talk about on here, not the R investigation.

On another note, after some thought, it almost seems like Sheriff Reader is warning the ones arrested not to talk. Not to "snitch." I don't know if he is just not real bright or he has a vested interest in keeping anyone involved quiet.

If this was determined to be a real threat (I'm leaning w/Scioto County though), then I'd think that there could have been a much better way to address it,than the way it was handled. Personally, I think they got played. I could be wrong. It's happened before.
 
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...-case-because-authorities-clueless/431678001/

Interview with the W's attorney.

He says the W's are being harassed by the AG because, "the authorities are clueless, incompetent or they themselves are involved in a cover-up." Them's strong words if you ask me.

Dewine says, "We're not where we were two months ago. We're further along than we were two months ago. We had a significant leap in where we were."

Sounds to me like a W family vs. LE pissing match, and someone is going to need to apologize to the other.

:pillowfight2:

From the way DeWine has handled things so far, It doesn't make it easy to believe him. I've said long ago that I hope he doesn't try to use this case to help his political ambitions. Of course this, "significant leap" is a secret as usual. But, I guess no one can say he is wrong when he never says anything. I think he is still on a fishing expedition and hoping he gets something he can use...
 
If this was determined to be a real threat (I'm leaning w/Scioto County though), then I'd think that there could have been a much better way to address it,than the way it was handled. Personally, I think they got played. I could be wrong. It's happened before.

Could it have been to get scared people to come to LE to tell them what they know in return for protection?
 
I don't think the kids were left in the beds during the killings. They didn't want the babies dead. You can't see in the dark. I think the babies were removed, put back. I think that all of the folks at DR's were awake. Hearsay has it that DR was found just inside the door by JM. Hearsay has it that CR2 was found hiding between his bead and the wall. HMR was in bed w/the infant. I figure she was possibly taken second, and CR2 tried to hide, but they knew he was there (even though based on what we've learned, it would not have been unlikely for him to have been staying somewhere else that night, even on a weekday, it seems that's normal in this family.). If either FR or HHG may have started awake, and someone is there with a gun and you've got a child(ren), and they're telling you if you move, they'll shoot the kids, then you'll likely not move. They shoot FR & HHG, and put the baby back. Either way the assailant(s) are still black-hearted demon(s).

I agree with you in that the kids were removed before parents were shot. This is just so bizarre and weird to me. To kill off an entire family is as cold and heartless as it gets. I mean... you have to be a monster and demonic to do that, yet these monsters and demons took time and care to spare the children which is absolutely opposite of cold, heartless and demonic. I do not believe AT ALL that gangs did this... they would not show this kind of concern. Seriously, this sparing of the children just absolutely flummoxes me. One thing does not mix with the other.
 
If this was determined to be a real threat (I'm leaning w/Scioto County though), then I'd think that there could have been a much better way to address it,than the way it was handled. Personally, I think they got played. I could be wrong. It's happened before.

BBM

Something like that. Considering the Ohio drug task force knows nothing about this threat according to Scioto county, I am leaning toward Reader trying to keep those arrested quiet.


I actually cannot believe an attorney said this. I have never heard of an attorney implying that LE was involved in a cover-up. What the heck is going on? Maybe it is time the Feds came in on this.

Interview with the W's attorney.

He says the W's are being harassed by the AG because, "the authorities are clueless, incompetent or they themselves are involved in a cover-up."
 
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