OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #29

[Bootsctr]

Lu Ann Stoia @stoiawsyx6
Investigators in Pike County say this suspect was the mastermind of drug operation he was running out of a state prison. #opioidepidemic
12:19 PM - 6 Jul 2017 · Ohio, USA

http://myfox28columbus.com/news/loc...in-pike-county-drug-trafficking-investigation

Good gravy! Who in their right mind takes orders from someone behind prison bars? I see this guy, wouldn't wanna be him. If he does have ties to MS-13 as he claims, he is a sitting duck. He can't run and he can't hide. . .

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Thanks for posting that.

This is probably going to sound crazy, but there are a few things I can't quit thinking about. So here goes...
1) A home/facility for the infirm would be an excellent place to dispose of a weapon. Think of all of the medical waste bins and other waste bins/recycle bins that are around.

2) A home/facility for the infirm would make an excellent place to grow, at the very least until the plants became sizeable. A. Utilities already run high at a place like that. B. There many scents to mask the growing MJ.

3) What if the W's did it, but under duress, something like, take care of this problem or you and your family are next.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Idk, I'm still going on a hunch that Reader and the DEA may have been correct, at the six month mark, and all of these folks have been arrested in this drug sweep, may just happen to be connected by one familial tie.

2:46 - 3:45 "drugs likely have nothing to do with the killings".
4:26 - 4:47 It sounds as if they were just not into drugs, big time. That's not to say they didn't know folks who were.

I'd say a lot of folks may know other folks who are big drug dealers, whether they are into drugs themselves or not, some may have a friend/acquaintance who are big, or small, time drug dealers, and not even know that their friend/acquaintance is a big time drug dealer. All of the Rhodens held down jobs, some held down more than one, that is not indicative of a big time drug dealer.

https://youtu.be/fgX_ZCf2cuM

Well--maybe Reader was speaking truth, or maybe he was speaking truth as he believed it to be at the time, or maybe he was putting out a big smoke screen to put criminals at ease while he waited for them to slip up. Hard to tell.

But, supposing he was telling the truth and his truth aligns with reality, well that opens the question of what sort of risk the entire R. family might pose to someone involved in a crime of some other sort. Let me just throw out a few possibilities--not totally from thin air (although pretty close), but based on actual sorts of crimes committed in various rural parts of Ohio:

Federal crop insurance fraud: http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/five-ohioans-charged-federal-crop-insurance-fraud/192034.html
Fraudulent benefits from minority business program: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ing-owner-indicted-federal-charges/380341001/
Medicaid fraud: http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/ne...aid-fraud-indictments/MgU2eKObRlRhr5CtwGuncJ/

I kinda like the last one because there seem to be a number of home health agencies and the like in the area. I don't like any of them as well as drugs, frankly. Whether the family as a whole was "into" drugs doesn't mean they were not a part of any drug selling network. And their car sideline certainly would make them very useful--providing or hiding. And Reader does drop a hint about the possibility of one or two stolen vehicles on the property. Ambition can be a funny thing. Seeking to expand one's horizons can be threatening to others. Maybe someone pushed someone else's boundaries. The R's were apparently known to fight back. So--perhaps this was a pre-emptive strike?

 

[Margo/Mom]

These seem to be "local" gangs. Seems similar to our Cornbread Mafia, only w/pills and meth.

From the pics, it would seem that tattoos are not uncommon.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Lu Ann Stoia @stoiawsyx6
Investigators in Pike County say this suspect was the mastermind of drug operation he was running out of a state prison. #opioidepidemic
12:19 PM - 6 Jul 2017 · Ohio, USA

http://myfox28columbus.com/news/loc...in-pike-county-drug-trafficking-investigation

Good gravy! Who in their right mind takes orders from someone behind prison bars? I see this guy, wouldn't wanna be him. If he does have ties to MS-13 as he claims, he is a sitting duck. He can't run and he can't hide. . .

More common than one might think. Crime "families" are generally just that, whether they share actual ties of blood, or just brotherhood. In this case it would appear that many of those arrested shared a tie of blood. With the ringleader in jail the criminal enterprise continues--sometimes following some sort of leadership skirmish and sometimes in some more orderly ascension still under the leadership of the guy in jail.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Latest from Sheriff Reader discussing all the recent drug busts in Pike County

16 charged, more arrests likely to come in Pike County drug trafficking investigation

http://myfox28columbus.com/news/loc...in-pike-county-drug-trafficking-investigation




Sheriff says it's "not" related to the Rhoden murders. Ok.


Link to Columbus Dispatch story, with video

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170706/pike-county-sheriff-outlines-series-of-drug-busts

It occurs to me that whether these arrests are related to the murders or not, Reader now has 16 folks locked up who are likely to know something. He has been saying all along that there are local folks who know more than they are saying. Seems like he might just have shifted the motivational factor for about 16 folks.

 

[rsd1200]

Well--maybe Reader was speaking truth, or maybe he was speaking truth as he believed it to be at the time, or maybe he was putting out a big smoke screen to put criminals at ease while he waited for them to slip up. Hard to tell.

But, supposing he was telling the truth and his truth aligns with reality, well that opens the question of what sort of risk the entire R. family might pose to someone involved in a crime of some other sort. Let me just throw out a few possibilities--not totally from thin air (although pretty close), but based on actual sorts of crimes committed in various rural parts of Ohio:

Federal crop insurance fraud: http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/five-ohioans-charged-federal-crop-insurance-fraud/192034.html
Fraudulent benefits from minority business program: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ing-owner-indicted-federal-charges/380341001/
Medicaid fraud: http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/ne...aid-fraud-indictments/MgU2eKObRlRhr5CtwGuncJ/

I kinda like the last one because there seem to be a number of home health agencies and the like in the area. I don't like any of them as well as drugs, frankly. Whether the family as a whole was "into" drugs doesn't mean they were not a part of any drug selling network. And their car sideline certainly would make them very useful--providing or hiding. And Reader does drop a hint about the possibility of one or two stolen vehicles on the property. Ambition can be a funny thing. Seeking to expand one's horizons can be threatening to others. Maybe someone pushed someone else's boundaries. The R's were apparently known to fight back. So--perhaps this was a pre-emptive strike?

Interesting. The second one kind of took my interest. If you check out the Bethel Road properties over a period of time, you can see that it went from being nothing, to a barn, w/a turnout, a pond, lot's of activity, what appear to be trailers, and what looks to be landscaping shrubs. Then around the time that the Peterson place was purchased it all disappeared except for the little pond and the now fairly large shrub looking things. I asked a botanist friend what they thought the plants were, and they said landscaping shrub farm (I didn't go into detail as to the why I was asking). I remember someone mentioned a heart-shaped pond in reference to something posted about HMR at some point too, iirc, and at the time the flurry of activity began, the little pond was cleaned out and it did have a bit of a heart shape to it from the aerial. Just tossing that out there.

As for Reader, if it were stated only on his own, w/o the DEA comments, then I'd not feel as comfortable. I think they did have some idea from the beginning but getting the actual evidence to seal the deal is the problem. I think maybe they're hoping someone will give it up who knows something, heard something, within some of these sweeps, who are connected maybe just through purchasing bulk weed from the Rs. Things travel in these circles but they won't come forward on their own. They may give something up to save their hide from sitting in prison though.

 

[rsd1200]

More common than one might think. Crime "families" are generally just that, whether they share actual ties of blood, or just brotherhood. In this case it would appear that many of those arrested shared a tie of blood. With the ringleader in jail the criminal enterprise continues--sometimes following some sort of leadership skirmish and sometimes in some more orderly ascension still under the leadership of the guy in jail.

Agree.

 

[rsd1200]

This is probably going to sound crazy, but there are a few things I can't quit thinking about. So here goes...
1) A home/facility for the infirm would be an excellent place to dispose of a weapon. Think of all of the medical waste bins and other waste bins/recycle bins that are around.

2) A home/facility for the infirm would make an excellent place to grow, at the very least until the plants became sizeable. A. Utilities already run high at a place like that. B. There many scents to mask the growing MJ.

3) What if the W's did it, but under duress, something like, take care of this problem or you and your family are next.

BBM

Or bloody clothing/scrubs. Just a thought.

 

[jk204]

I am looking forward to C.Graves next story on the case. She tweeted someone's proposal for her to do a podcast on the Accused with ReporterAmber. She did not say no. Anyone familiar with it?

 

[rsd1200]

I am looking forward to C.Graves next story on the case. She tweeted someone's proposal for her to do a podcast on the Accused with ReporterAmber. She did not say no. Anyone familiar with it?

I don't know how she'd go about it (with reference to the @ReporterAmber series). The series that RA did was in seeking justice for a case that was mishandled from the beginning, back in 1978. The victim was murdered, and LE zeroed in on her bf, and did one of those 15 hour non-stop questioning sessions til he admitted he murdered, but then recanted. He was tried and found not guilty, but LE would not pursue the case any further, saying their guy got off. RA and another reporter uncovered evidence and leads that LE never followed.

Without named suspects or persons of interest, everything completely sealed, no autopsy info available, no crime sites, etc... I just don't see how she could do something remotely similar to what RA has done. Although she said she was "noodling". I guess that she meant she was "noodling" and not that others were doing so to see if she would do this.

Here's information on the piece and part of the podcast. I've not listened to the podcast yet. Just did a brief read through. Seems it resurrected the case. Both reporters seem to be pretty bulldogish, (which is not really a bad quality for a reporter), and highly regarded, in their field, both having won awards.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ast-unsolved-murder-elizabeth-andes/89396140/

 

[Dudly]

Well--maybe Reader was speaking truth, or maybe he was speaking truth as he believed it to be at the time, or maybe he was putting out a big smoke screen to put criminals at ease while he waited for them to slip up. Hard to tell.

But, supposing he was telling the truth and his truth aligns with reality, well that opens the question of what sort of risk the entire R. family might pose to someone involved in a crime of some other sort. Let me just throw out a few possibilities--not totally from thin air (although pretty close), but based on actual sorts of crimes committed in various rural parts of Ohio:

Federal crop insurance fraud: http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/five-ohioans-charged-federal-crop-insurance-fraud/192034.html
Fraudulent benefits from minority business program: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ing-owner-indicted-federal-charges/380341001/
Medicaid fraud: http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/ne...aid-fraud-indictments/MgU2eKObRlRhr5CtwGuncJ/

I kinda like the last one because there seem to be a number of home health agencies and the like in the area. I don't like any of them as well as drugs, frankly. Whether the family as a whole was "into" drugs doesn't mean they were not a part of any drug selling network. And their car sideline certainly would make them very useful--providing or hiding. And Reader does drop a hint about the possibility of one or two stolen vehicles on the property. Ambition can be a funny thing. Seeking to expand one's horizons can be threatening to others. Maybe someone pushed someone else's boundaries. The R's were apparently known to fight back. So--perhaps this was a pre-emptive strike?

I recall early on in the threads on here that there was a home care business registered by CR1 or the BBL owner. When the address was researched, it was a daycare or doctor's office or both. It was called Adams home health care or something like that, I think.

 

[jk204]

I don't know how she'd go about it (with reference to the @ReporterAmber series). The series that RA did was in seeking justice for a case that was mishandled from the beginning, back in 1978. The victim was murdered, and LE zeroed in on her bf, and did one of those 15 hour non-stop questioning sessions til he admitted he murdered, but then recanted. He was tried and found not guilty, but LE would not pursue the case any further, saying their guy got off. RA and another reporter uncovered evidence and leads that LE never followed.

Without named suspects or persons of interest, everything completely sealed, no autopsy info available, no crime sites, etc... I just don't see how she could do something remotely similar to what RA has done. Although she said she was "noodling". I guess that she meant she was "noodling" and not that others were doing so to see if she would do this.

Here's information on the piece and part of the podcast. I've not listened to the podcast yet. Just did a brief read through. Seems it resurrected the case. Both reporters seem to be pretty bulldogish, (which is not really a bad quality for a reporter), and highly regarded, in their field, both having won awards.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ast-unsolved-murder-elizabeth-andes/89396140/

Thanks. We don't noodle much around here. We make them or eat them. Could you please explain what it means to you?

 

[Margo/Mom]

I recall early on in the threads on here that there was a home care business registered by CR1 or the BBL owner. When the address was researched, it was a daycare or doctor's office or both. It was called Adams home health care or something like that, I think.

I recall that also.

 

[Betty P]

Well--maybe Reader was speaking truth, or maybe he was speaking truth as he believed it to be at the time, or maybe he was putting out a big smoke screen to put criminals at ease while he waited for them to slip up. Hard to tell.

But, supposing he was telling the truth and his truth aligns with reality, well that opens the question of what sort of risk the entire R. family might pose to someone involved in a crime of some other sort. Let me just throw out a few possibilities--not totally from thin air (although pretty close), but based on actual sorts of crimes committed in various rural parts of Ohio:

Federal crop insurance fraud: http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/five-ohioans-charged-federal-crop-insurance-fraud/192034.html
Fraudulent benefits from minority business program: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ing-owner-indicted-federal-charges/380341001/
Medicaid fraud: http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/ne...aid-fraud-indictments/MgU2eKObRlRhr5CtwGuncJ/

I kinda like the last one because there seem to be a number of home health agencies and the like in the area. I don't like any of them as well as drugs, frankly. Whether the family as a whole was "into" drugs doesn't mean they were not a part of any drug selling network. And their car sideline certainly would make them very useful--providing or hiding. And Reader does drop a hint about the possibility of one or two stolen vehicles on the property. Ambition can be a funny thing. Seeking to expand one's horizons can be threatening to others. Maybe someone pushed someone else's boundaries. The R's were apparently known to fight back. So--perhaps this was a pre-emptive strike?

Interesting theory about other illegal and fraudulent activities. While it's a possibility, those particular crimes are investigated by federal agencies - FBI, Secret Service, Treasury, etc. Ohio BCI seems to be going out of their way to avoid bringing any federal agents into the Rhoden murder investigation. You would think if Feds were investigating any of these kinds of crimes with murder suspects, we'd see or hear their presence. We haven't seen any federal investigators on this case since the first couple weeks.

Any locals see any Fed presence in the area working cases?

That said, I still think the problems for CRSr and the family began when his foray into the MJ business brought him in contact with people who were engaging in much more illegal activity. He learned about things he didn't want to be a part of and was perceived as a threat.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Thanks. We don't noodle much around here. We make them or eat them. Could you please explain what it means to you?

Noodling? Isn't that where you fish without a hook? With your hands?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Interesting theory about other illegal and fraudulent activities. While it's a possibility, those particular crimes are investigated by federal agencies - FBI, Secret Service, Treasury, etc. Ohio BCI seems to be going out of their way to avoid bringing any federal agents into the Rhoden murder investigation. You would think if Feds were investigating any of these kinds of crimes with murder suspects, we'd see or hear their presence. We haven't seen any federal investigators on this case since the first couple weeks.

Any locals see any Fed presence in the area working cases?

That said, I still think the problems for CRSr and the family began when his foray into the MJ business brought him in contact with people who were engaging in much more illegal activity. He learned about things he didn't want to be a part of and was perceived as a threat.

I think he was a part of it. He didn't look like he was living large, but he was buying up property and then there is all those cars ect he had on his property. Remember this is a guy who didn't have a full time job. He did work occasionally for BBL and maybe some others, but basically he was unemployed. There is that big new barn/garage also. We discussed how much that would have cost to build early on and also the cash money he paid down on DR's house.

I think him and KR were in the drug trafficking with the W's and J&AM. Most of those arrested are connected to AM. Things went south and I think JM knew that CR1 and KR were targeted but I don't think he ever imagined his sister and her kids would be killed also. That is why that statement of not wanting to see his niece like that.

Hopefully with these arrests there will be arrests for the murders.

I believe that JM is talking mostly about his in-laws.

And don't forget the W's attorney who boldly stated the W's had given information about CR1's "business associates".

 

[Margo/Mom]

Noodling? Isn't that where you fish without a hook? With your hands?

No--I believe that is grappling. Or H***B**** Hand fishing.

 

[Margo/Mom]

I think he was a part of it. He didn't look like he was living large, but he was buying up property and then there is all those cars ect he had on his property. Remember this is a guy who didn't have a full time job. He did work occasionally for BBL and maybe some others, but basically he was unemployed. There is that big new barn/garage also. We discussed how much that would have cost to build early on and also the cash money he paid down on DR's house.

I think him and KR were in the drug trafficking with the W's and J&AM. Most of those arrested are connected to AM. Things went south and I think JM knew that CR1 and KR were targeted but I don't think he ever imagined his sister and her kids would be killed also. That is why that statement of not wanting to see his niece like that.

Hopefully with these arrests there will be arrests for the murders.

I believe that JM is talking mostly about his in-laws.

And don't forget the W's attorney who boldly stated the W's had given information about CR1's "business associates".

So--JW had more to fear than arrest?

 

[rsd1200]

I recall early on in the threads on here that there was a home care business registered by CR1 or the BBL owner. When the address was researched, it was a daycare or doctor's office or both. It was called Adams home health care or something like that, I think.

I remember that too, Idk if it would have any connection, but it is odd. The one I ran across is owned by one of the W family members, and is brick and mortar, and has a completely different name. I've never seen anything brick and mortar for the Adams LLC.