Identified! OH - Troy, Miami Co., 'Buckskin Girl' WhtFem 133UFOH, 15-25, Apr'81 - Marcia King

[carbuff]

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http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/2466dfuk.html

Blue jeans and a leather jacket in 1974.

The resemblance is...(click to enlarge)

 

[Alleykins]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/2466dfuk.html

The facial resemblance is uncanny, but according to this article, Pamela was of a slight build and only 5' tall.

 

[carbuff]

The facial resemblance is uncanny, but according to this article, Pamela was of a slight build and only 5' tall.

Yeah, dead ringer facial resemblances are not uncommon, truly. And there are discrepancies. It's wildly unlikely I know, but there's enough to make it worth following up, I think. People's memories can be way off.

I seem to recall looking into Pamela for another UID and finding out they did think there was a possibility she had gone to the US. Do you know how far Buckskin's isotopes went back? Was it more than six years?

 

[Alleykins]

Yeah, dead ringer facial resemblances are not uncommon, truly. And there are discrepancies. It's wildly unlikely I know, but there's enough to make it worth following up, I think. People's memories can be way off.

I seem to recall looking into Pamela for another UID and finding out they did think there was a possibility she had gone to the US. Do you know how far Buckskin's isotopes went back? Was it more than six years?

Her isotopes were hair and nails, so it didn't go back further than a year or two, depending on her hair length and how fast it grew. It didn't pinpoint a possible point of origin, only where she spent her time more recently.
http://wdtn.com/2016/07/14/miami-co-eliminates-ohio-in-search-for-jane-doe-id-looks-south/

 

[carbuff]

Her isotopes were hair and nails, so it didn't go back further than a year or two, depending on her hair length and how fast it grew. It didn't pinpoint a possible point of origin, only where she spent her time more recently.
http://wdtn.com/2016/07/14/miami-co-eliminates-ohio-in-search-for-jane-doe-id-looks-south/

So an origin in England isn't out of the question. Hmmm.

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[Alleykins]

So an origin in England isn't out of the question. Hmmm.
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No, it isn't. I was hoping to find out what color hair and eyes Pamela had to see if they matched, but haven't found it yet. Do you know, by chance?

 

[rosesfromangels]

With all the relative exposure, it amazes me that our Buckskin girl and Lyle Stevik haven’t been identified. These two cases are mind boggling.

 

[kito7]

So an origin in England isn't out of the question. Hmmm.

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It would explain why nobody was able to identify her. I think she could have ran away to start a new life. This article states that Pamela was adopted. http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/cold-case-norfolk-woman-who-simply-disappeared-1-1006952

I think it's worth looking into. The mouth and the nose is almost identical to the PM photos. It even makes me creeped out a little... I flipped the photo horizontally and they have the exact same crooked nose. When I put PE's photo on top of the morgue photo it lines up perfectly. The shape of the lower mouth is also very similar.

Someone could contact the Norfolk Police.

Plus I also think that height/weight/color informations can be unreliable... did anyone else notice that the Doe Network says she graduated with a BA in arts, but a 2007 Daily Mail article says she was a law student?

 

[kito7]

This article says she was a biker.

[FONT=&quot]"She had been touring England and Scotland on a Honda motorbike and had only been away from her Hampshire home for about a week and due to return there within days."[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Read more at: http://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/my-first-40-years-at-the-lynn-news-writes-mike-last-1-3136614[/FONT]

 

[LucyOso]

The facial resemblance is uncanny, but according to this article, Pamela was of a slight build and only 5' tall.

I agree. Those memories can be subjective. And she could have filled out for several reasons.

 

[LucyOso]

I have looked at Pamela for years and always doubted. But, She would be at the perfect age to start over. Disallusioned by university, adopted, siblings in Australia (if she knew about them), who am I? I got a degree that was expected of me, etc.

If you look in the photo her posture isn’t the greatest. You can lose some height slouching. And people can elongate a bit after death. She looks curvy enough to me to have filled out a bit over time. BG has that English/Australian phenotype to me. That’s why Marion Sanford always was one of my top thoughts in the past too. Mararion was possibly international drug trade, but the features seem distinct. But, Pamela keeps coming up for me.


Pamela has DNA from Australian siblings on file...Carbuff would you be interested in helping me submit?

 

[carbuff]

They apparently thought Pamela was a victim of serial killer Peter Tobin, according to articles preserved in Porchlight: http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/index.php?showtopic=27179 But DNA tests came out negative. It says the family DNA is in a missing persons database but I don't know which one they mean--England's, probably?

Both the BA in Arts and the law student are correct as far as I know--her undergraduate degree was a general liberal arts degree, but she was due to start a law program in a few days after her vacation. (I'm not sure what "articled clerk" means in the English system.)

This address is listed in several places as the contact for Pamela's case: coldcaseteam@norfolk.pnn.police.uk

 

[MOTORUNNER]

I hate to be the bummer here but I actually already submitted Pamela and was sent this reply:

[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot]Good Morning Audrey,[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot]Thank you for providing your personal details for security reasons.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot]I have had chance to review both the Jane Doe and Pamela Exall for any similarities.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot]I agree with you the descriptions and pictures we have of Pamela are very similar and the age build of both are also close. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot]However having reviewed the circumstances of Pamela’s disappearance in 1974 I can say that the case was subsequently been reviewed in 2011 when kinship DNA was obtained from her family but unfortunately no matches were found.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot]There were no suspicious circumstances when she went missing. It was thought that it was highly likely that she had drowned in Norfolk. She had gone for a walk on her own having left all of her belongings behind.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot]There has been no proof of life since she went missing and a review of the case did not alter from the original opinion.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot]I have also very carefully looked at all the physical characteristics of both and whilst they are similar, the defining factor is that Pamela Exall was 5 feet tall (exactly) when she went missing, she was aged 22yrs and was therefore fully grown.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot]The Jane Doe in Miami was measured at 5’6” tall and therefore on that basis we can rule them out as being the same person.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][FONT=&quot]I would like to pass on my thanks for taking the time and effort in contacting us and trust this will suffice.[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[nerosleuth]

she was due to start a law program in a few days after her vacation. (I'm not sure what "articled clerk" means in the English system.)

An articled clerk is someone who is studying to either be an accountant or lawyer.

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articled_clerk


A clerk bound to serve in the office of a solicitor in consideration of being instructed in the profession.

Source:

http://thelawdictionary.org/articled-clerk/

 

[carbuff]

I hate to be the bummer here but I actually already submitted Pamela and was sent this reply:

I knew she had been discussed before somewhere. Thanks.

Though I wish it was on something more solid than the height mismatch. We've seen some truly inexplicable discrepancies. It's rare but...

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[LucyOso]

I knew she had been discussed before somewhere. Thanks.

Though I wish it was on something more solid than the height mismatch. We've seen some truly inexplicable discrepancies. It's rare but...

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I agree. I wish we could have taken the time to present a solid case and reason to have her looked at prior to it be submitted by someone else. Just a friendly reminder to newer websluetgs members...please do not submit other people’s potential matches. There are many reasons if a case is presented in the correct way LE might look into it further. Even if something is off, it is worth taking the time to present valid reasons to look at the case. We could have had a compelling case, even with height being off. She was not listed as ruled out, so it was worth presenting. Anyway...Her family is out there. I hope we find them soon.

 

[yogasleuther]

She went missing from a girl's home in OK in August of 1981. She's been ruled out as BG. I'm truly hoping she just ran away to start a new life, she kind of had a rough start in life.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/taylor_patricia.html

Oh yes....I recognize her pic now, thanks.

 

[yogasleuther]

The Namus page for Buckskin Girl was updated on Tuesday October 24, 2017.

There are now 225 people on the exclusions list that have been ruled out as Buckskin Girl.

Here is the Namus link for Buckskin Girl


https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4790


Exclusions

The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:

First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA

Cynthia Long 1952 Washington
Ellen Akers 1966 Florida
Tammy Akers 1962 Virginia
Helen Allison 1956 Virginia
Katherine Anderson 1954 Maryland
Maria Anjiras 1961 Connecticut
Audrey Backeberg 1942 Wisconsin
Nancy Baird 1952 Utah
Lynn Bandringa 1945 California
Donna Barnhill 1967 North Carolina
Katherine Barnum 1954 Colorado
Carol Batterman 1939 Oklahoma
Ingrid Bauer 1958 Ohio
Phyllis Berry 1954 Texas
Joan Bieter 1946 Minnesota
Amy Billig 1957 Florida
Althea Blankinship 1949 Washington
Marie Blee 1964 Colorado
Patricia Blough 1946 Indiana
Barbara Bockwith 1958 Florida
Kristy Booth 1960 Texas
Lisa Borden 1960 Texas
Sandra Breed 1948 New York
Joyce Brewer 1955 Texas
Phyllis Brewer 1961 Ohio
Niki Britten 1953 Oregon
Carlene Brown 1955 Wyoming
Darcy Brown 1943 Ohio
Judith Brown 1957 New York
Barbara Bruno 1961 New York
Colleen Burgess 1948 Colorado
Jo Burmer 1947 California
Carla Burns 1966 Illinois
Pamela Burrows 1949 Washington
Sandra Butler 1962 Nevada
Peggy Byars-Baisden 1941 Florida
Rosemary Calandriello 1952 New Jersey
Ilonka Cann 1948 Pennsylvania
Judith Chartier 1964 Massachusetts
Diane Chorba 1949 Michigan
Anna Ciaccio 1949 Nebraska
Jane Clement 1941 Louisiana
Tammy Clements 1965 Michigan
Rose Cole 1956 California
Kathryn Collins 1957 Texas
Darlene Conklin 1959 New York
Lynn Connes 1955 California
Cynthia Constantine 1954 New York
Mary Cook Spencer 1954 Maryland
Cynthia Coon 1956 Michigan
Carla Corley 1965 Alabama
Jan Cotta 1954 New Jersey
Barbara Cotton 1965 North Dakota
Joanne Coughlin 1953 Ohio
Donella Coultas 1950 California
Melinda Creech 1965 Indiana
Brenda Crowley 1963 New York
Teresa Cupps 1958 Oklahoma
Teresa Cupps 1958 Oklahoma
Teresa Cupps 1958 Oklahoma
Brenda Davidson 1960 Virginia
Judy Davis 1956 Florida
Vali Davis 1955 Indiana
Eva Debruhl 1962 South Carolina
Angela Delawder 1960 Florida
Susan DeQuina 1957 Massachusetts
Carol Donn 1963 Florida
Kimberly Doss 1962 Florida
Anita Drake 1948 Ohio
Alexis Duggan 1951 Florida
Rebecca Dunn 1958 Nevada
Kathleen Durst 1952 New York
Diane Dye 1965 California
Christine Eastin 1952 California
Carol Edwards 1955 Washington
Megan Emerick 1956 Alaska
Beverly England 1947 Colorado
Frances Ewalt 1949 Montana
Rachael Garden 1964 New Hampshire
Trenny Gibson 1960 Tennessee
Sharon Giusti 1943 Washington
Cherry Greenman 1956 Washington
Jamie Grissim 1955 Washington
Corinne Groenenberg 1957 California
Gina Hall 1962 Virginia
Susan Hallowell Florida
Mary Hammonds 1933 Kentucky
Evelyn Hartley 1937 Wisconsin
Margaret Hayes 1954 Indiana
Sharon Hensley 1948 Louisiana
Kathleen Henson 1948 Oklahoma
Lorraine Herbster 1962 New Jersey
Barbara Hilton 1949 Illinois
Pamela Hobley 1954 Michigan
Margaret Holst 1958 Nebraska
Sandra Hopler 1955 Pennsylvania
Cheryl Ann Iacovone 1960 Pennsylvania
Nancy Jason 1958 Maryland
Paulette Jaster 1954 Michigan
Joanna Jenkins 1954 Ohio
Gail Joiner 1959 Florida
Rita Jolly 1955 Oregon
Theresa Jones 1963 Texas
Suzanne Justis 1950 Oregon
Edna Kaminski 1921 New York
Karen Kamsch 1962 Maryland
Rebecca Kellison 1954 Colorado
Tina Kemp 1964 Delaware
Cindy King 1961 Oregon
Kimberly King 1966 Michigan
Tracy King 1960 Pennsylvania
Nancy Kirkpatrick 1960 Montana
Elaine Kwiatkowski 1956 Massachusetts
Rhonda Labbe 1956 Massachusetts
Vicke Lamberton 1949 Massachusetts
Christine Langford 1956 California
Diana Laughlin 1950 Illinois
Karen Lee 1961 Oregon
Cynthia Leslie 1959 Arizona
Jackie Leslie 1961 Arizona
Lori Lloyd 1961 Ohio
Linda Lovell 1948 Montana
Pamela Lovitt 1959 Michigan
Debora Lowe 1958 Florida
Carol Lubahn 1954 California
O'Dina Lucero 1960 New Mexico
Sylvia Lwowski 1953 New York
Paula Lynch 1956 Ohio
Dorothy Madden 1948 Ohio
Tammy Mahoney 1961 New York
Anne Manchester 1954 Delaware
Aleca Manning 1952 Arizona
Judy Martins 1955 Ohio
Deborah McCall 1963 Illinois
Barbara McClure 1954 Washington
Cordelia McMinn 1950 Hawaii
Angela Meeker 1965 Washington
Deborah Meyer 1958 Wyoming
Jeannette Miller 1953 Washington
Linda Miller 1954 California
Barbara Monaco 1960 Virginia
Cathy Moulton 1955 Maine
Michelle Mulcahy 1961 Florida
Kathleen Murphy 1955 Texas
Audrey Nerenberg 1958 New York
Linda Nickell 1955 Michigan
Karen O'Donoghue 1944 Massachusetts
Nancy O'Sullivan 1959 Illinois
Judith ODonnell 1961 New York
Denise Oliverson 1950 Colorado
Mary Opitz 1963 Florida
Patricia Otto 1952 Idaho
Kristina Perkins 1953 Arizona
Janel Peters 1960 California
Sherry Pickle 1956 California
Sheila Pierce 1954 West Virginia
Linda Pleva 1949 Oregon
Darlene Polizzi 1947 New Jersey
Sharon Pretorius 1960 Ohio
Wanda Priddy 1958 Texas
Jennifer Prince 1957 New Jersey
Debra Pscholka 1958 California
Dean Pyle Peters 1966 Michigan
Deborah Quimby 1963 Massachusetts
Laureen Rahn 1966 New Hampshire
Theresa Rains 1949 California
Theresa Rains 1949 California
Angela Ramsey 1961 Florida
Betty Redmond 1951 Maryland
Ione Rehwinkle 1928 Minnesota
Teresa Rhodes 1962 Pennsylvania
Dorothy Richardson 1960 Texas
Simone Ridinger 1960 Massachusetts
Sherry Roach 1959 California
Elaine Robertson 1955 Washington
Mary Rodermund 1962 Louisiana
Lonene Rogers 1951 Pennsylvania
Lonene Rogers 1951 Pennsylvania
Alma Root 1965 California
Alma Root 1965 California
Nancy Rose 1950 Idaho
Patricia Salamandyk Unknown
Janis Sanders 1950 Michigan
Lucinda Schaefer 1962 California
Gayla Schaper 1951 Idaho
Cheryl Scherer 1959 Missouri
Diane Schulte 1954 Idaho
Suzanne Schultz 1961 Wisconsin
Beverly Sharpman 1930 Pennsylvania
Mary Shinn 1953 Arkansas
Laurie Sibrell 1963 Tennessee
Colleen Simpson 1960 Iowa
Roxanne Sims 1958 Oregon
Catherine Sjoberg 1957 Wisconsin
Laurie Smith 1954 Arizona
Stephanie Smith 1954 Pennsylvania
Judy Smithson 1958 California
Margie Snead 1954 Arkansas
Mary Cook Spencer 1954 Maryland
Debra Spickler 1955 Connecticut
Mary Sprague 1960 Florida
Delores Stanton 1955 Florida
Helen Stark 1921 Wisconsin
Kimberly Stewart 1956 California
Carlene Tengelsen 1956 Georgia
Sarah Tokier 1960 California
Deborah Tomlinson 1957 Oregon
Mary Trlica 1957 Texas
Virginia Uden 1947 Wyoming
Belinda VanLith 1957 Minnesota
Patricia Vaughan 1963 Connecticut
Beatrice Villela 1960 Texas
Floradean Walker 1925 Texas
Diane Webb 1942 Arizona
Mary Weekly 1952 Missouri
Christina White 1967 Washington
Christina White 1967 Washington
Kathy Wilcox 1956 Michigan
Debra Wilhite 1955 Indiana
Selinda Winegar 1962 Vermont
Cynthia Woolard 1957 Florida
Cheryl Wyant 1964 California
Jennifer Wyant 1958 Tennessee
April Zane 1960 Illinois
Karen Zendrosky 1963 New Jersey[/QUOTE

Thank you Neurosleuth this is great.

 

[carbuff]

Pamela won't likely be added to the ruleouts; they usually don't include non-US people.

 

[MOTORUNNER]

I agree. I wish we could have taken the time to present a solid case and reason to have her looked at prior to it be submitted by someone else. Just a friendly reminder to newer websluetgs members...please do not submit other people’s potential matches. There are many reasons if a case is presented in the correct way LE might look into it further. Even if something is off, it is worth taking the time to present valid reasons to look at the case. We could have had a compelling case, even with height being off. She was not listed as ruled out, so it was worth presenting. Anyway...Her family is out there. I hope we find them soon.

If you go back to page 186 you'll find I had already brought up Pam, thanks though.