GUILTY OK - 4 dead, many injured when car crashed into crowd at OSU homecoming parade

[jjenny]

What happened to the early report that Adacia was asked to leave work because the manager thought she was on drugs?

Nothing happened to it. I don't believe it was credible (it wasn't even published in msm).

 

[jjenny]

Well, that sounds uh, mysterious.

I wonder what that's all about.

Her father claims she asked if she can move home. Maybe she and her boyfriend weren't getting along. Regardless of the reason, it would appear she got upset at work, left, decided to make some sort of half-baked suicide attempt and killed at least four people in the process.

 

[bookboarder]

O/T... but... I LOVE your avatar and the candle in your siggy!

:heart:

Thank you! It took me forever to find some I liked.

 

[Hope4More]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mln-Oklahoma-woman-charged-plowing-crowd.html

Her lawyer, Tony Coleman, said she has been in a 'zombie-like' state, unable to give normal answers to questions about what happened when she was behind the wheel. He said he was not sure Chambers is aware that she's in jail.
'I mentioned to her again today that people died and I got no response. The look in her face - there's a very blank, lifeless look in her face,' Coleman told reporters after the hearing.

Which suggests that no drug like Ambien was involved, given how much time had elapsed by the time of the hearing.

In answer to a poster above, yes, I looked at a map of Stillwater. Freddy's (her workplace) is just a few blocks away from the intersection of Main and the Legend etc., where she drove into the crowd.

A coworker has said that she walked when she left work, and in the opposite direction of the restaurant parking lot and that intersection.

Reports have said that she left 30 minutes before the crash, others have said one hour. She still had on her work clothes when she crashed her car. So in that time she walked somewhere else at first and then back to her car in the lot, or walked to her car parked someplace else. Still lots of time to account for.

If she drove her car directly from Freddy's it would have taken her a few minutes at most to reach the barrier ( time wise, not considering traffic), and given how fast she was driving there couldn't have been much if any traffic, or she accelerated on purpose while running the red light.

In any case, Freddys seems to smack on the parade route itself or no more than a block or so away. Way too close to the parade to not know that it was going on and where.

 

[Hope4More]

Several pages ago, a poster wrote that Chambers was trying to flee the scene and had to be held down. They had lost the link to the source. I found a link, and a quote by the mayor.


Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin quote: "I have an actual person who talked to her and held her down after the accident occurred on the scene until police could arrest her"

Source: http://www.nwahomepage.com/news/police-investigate-parade-crash-community-mourns

"Out of control" and "had to be held down" sure isn't dazed and confused. Sounds more like rage or hysteria, and sure is a big contrast to the blankness described by her attorney.

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

More information on victims who remain in critical condition after OSU tragedy

http://kfor.com/2015/10/27/more-information-on-victims-who-remain-in-critical-condition-after-osu-tragedy/

 

[SCHMAE]

So I guess she wasn't fired.

http://kosu.org/post/oklahoma-state-parade-crash-leaves-suspects-family-confused-devastated#stream/0

:thinking:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Transcript is not available yet, but Nancy Grace mentioned several times last night that (according to her attorney) the driver might have "blacked out". Since her actions appear to be deliberate - running a red light, plowing her vehicle into the crowd, attempting to leave the scene, able to walk on her own when taken into custody, etc. - a "blackout" doesn't seem possible.

 

[sonjay]

"Out of control" and "had to be held down" sure isn't dazed and confused. Sounds more like rage or hysteria, and sure is a big contrast to the blankness described by her attorney.

I don't think I'm buying the "dazed and confused" business. I think that, at some level, she realizes the enormity of what she did. She knows there's nothing she can say to justify or excuse it, and so she's just clamming up and refusing to talk to her lawyer. I think "dazed and confused" is just his spin on "sullen and uncooperative."

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

Suspect's Black Box in Her Car to be Examined

http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kfaq/news/OSU-Suspects-Black-Box-in-Her-Car-to-be-Examined-337478011.html

Authorities say they are using an innovative method to determine whether there was intent on the part of Adacia Chambers when she drove into a crowd at OSU’s Homecoming parade, killing four people.

NBC News reports that homicide investigators are expected to examine the black box in Chambers' car that should have recorded the actions of the car in the last five seconds before impact with the crowd. It theoretically will tell investigators whether Chambers hit the brakes or accelerated in those moments.

 

[JeannaT]

Transcript is not available yet, but Nancy Grace mentioned several times last night that (according to her attorney) the driver might have "blacked out". Since her actions appear to be deliberate - running a red light, plowing her vehicle into the crowd, attempting to leave the scene, able to walk on her own when taken into custody, etc. - a "blackout" doesn't seem possible.

Running a red light, IMHO, isn't deliberate at all. It would be consistent with blacking out, or a seizure, etc., as would driving past pedestrians waving their hands and trying to get her attention.

The thing that catches my eye, is witnesses stating she tried to go around a barricade and ended up giving up that attempt and crashing through it. If she truthfully made attempts to go around a barricade, that is proof that she was cognizant. I sure wish someone had video of that.

 

[jjenny]

"Out of control" and "had to be held down" sure isn't dazed and confused. Sounds more like rage or hysteria, and sure is a big contrast to the blankness described by her attorney.

I suppose if she is bipolar (speculation) she could have periods of rage followed by periods of being quiet.
Although if you believe her relatives (which I don't that much) she was always just quiet.

 

[jjenny]

Running a red light, IMHO, isn't deliberate at all. It would be consistent with blacking out, or a seizure, etc., as would driving past pedestrians waving their hands and trying to get her attention.

The thing that catches my eye, is witnesses stating she tried to go around a barricade and ended up giving up that attempt and crashing through it. If she truthfully made attempts to go around a barricade, that is proof that she was cognizant. I sure wish someone had video of that.

She wasn't having a seizure when somebody had to hold her down after the accident to prevent her from running away.

 

[SCHMAE]

The more I look at her mugshot, ( i already said i don't put much stock in them typically) the more I think she's pretty pleased with herself at the moment of that picture.

 

[Hatfield]

Her father claims she asked if she can move home. Maybe she and her boyfriend weren't getting along. Regardless of the reason, it would appear she got upset at work, left, decided to make some sort of half-baked suicide attempt and killed at least four people in the process.

Re BBM

I think this is exactly what happened. I think she was VERY UPSET for some reason and didn't care about her life at that moment that started at work and on her way home she decided to not give a crud about anything and wanted to purposely wreck in a half-baked attempt at suicide but really just wanted to smash her car up. She didn't care about herself or other people at that point.

Kind of a form of road rage when she totally lost it on way home and her anger at life and the world made her a threat. If this is what it is then she needs to go to prison for a long time.

Ive seen people on the road that have had a mild case of that sort of thing where they are weaving in and out of traffic wrecklessly and was obviously upset at something.

She took it to the extreme and wanted to wreck. Notice she hit a police officers motorcycle as the first thing. I think she aimed at it. She would have had to seen the people too so she didn't care about anybody including herself.

The 2 things I want to know.
I will be curious what toxicology results are AND want to know what she was upset at work.
Like could have been an argument with another employee or manager. Someone at her work knows something about why she was upset. The 1 article the manager seems to know but wont tell the public because he knows if its related to why she got so upset then he is scared too that public would start to shove a little blame his way.

 

[jjenny]

Her boyfriend goes to school and takes classes. What school does he go to? Was she having trouble with her boyfriend? Her father claims she asked if she could come back home. Since she moved to be with boyfriend, if she is asking to move back home, to me that suggests boyfriend trouble. I think it's pretty clear by now she wasn't blacked out. She admitted to being suicidal during the time of the incident.

 

[Hatfield]

If we assume this started with her becoming rageful at work then the most obvious things I can think of why she could have started to get mad would be some sort of argument with someone at work OR some other "bad news" she got.

Possible reasons of why she got rageful. Assuming this is how this started:

-argument with manager
-argument with another employee
-argument/breakup with boyfriend
-argument with family member
-Found out she was pregnant?
-Some other bad news she just got?

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

Her boyfriend goes to school and takes classes. What school does he go to? Was she having trouble with her boyfriend? Her father claims she asked if she could come back home. Since she moved to be with boyfriend, if she is asking to move back home, to me that suggests boyfriend trouble. I think it's pretty clear by now she wasn't blacked out. She admitted to being suicidal during the time of the incident.

According to this article, he is a student at OSU.

Gaylord, an OSU student, said he and Chambers were planning to move back to Oologah, where he also had lived, while he took a break from school after the fall semester.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/osu-crash-suspect-s-state-of-mind-before-tragedy-still/article_b610f5c1-02f0-52dc-8184-10f7128982ac.html

 

[Hope4More]

1. She got up, got dressed and made it to work on time at 9am. (In control at that point).

2. She wasn't fired, but left crying within 30 min to an hour after arriving.

3. A coworker said the reason she gave for leaving wasn't a typical reason and that more about that would come out later.

4. She didn't jump into her car and head straight for that intersection.

5. She did something else for at least 30 minutes to slightly less than an hour before running the red light,and had time to calm down after whatever set her off.

6. She most likely drove south on Main street from Freddys; the parade went north on main from 9th street. The parade ended at Main and Hall of Fame Ave, exactly where she drove her car.

7. She had to know about the parade, and the ending point was where the most folks could gather in one place.

8. If she drove around first she had to double back through parade crowds and traffic to go south on Main again.

Conclusion: she had plenty of time to do things differently but IMO very deliberately made the choice to take others down RATHER than to just kill herself.

 

[Hope4More]

:thinking:

So she self-reported that she felt suicidal as she smashed her car into a crowd of people, killing 4, including a baby, and injuring dozens of others, but says AFTER that she no longer felt suicidal????


What utter BS. Whatever compelled her to want to hurt herself (if that's even true) seems very much more an act of rage directed more so at others, not herself.