GUILTY OK - 4 dead, many injured when car crashed into crowd at OSU homecoming parade

[bookboarder]

In Europe, many cities have barriers that can be raised and/or lowered to allow for or halt vehicular traffic. They are VERY, VERY strong-- some kind of reinforced metal...

From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollard

In action:
[video=youtube;mRPEW2OMIU8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRPEW2OMIU8[/video]

I've lived in several European cities and visited many more and they are everywhere. They use them for Farmer's Markets, busy days, etc.

 

[Montjoy]

O/T I agree with you. [ and I know that this driver was not connected to Ambien]

My neighbor almost burned her house down one night while using Ambien. She used to go into the kitchen in the middle of the night and eat. She'd wake up the next day and see dirty dishes. One night she turned on the stove to heat up something and it caught fire. She was already back in bed asleep when the fire alarm blasted.

O/T again, I totally agree here. I've got no personal experience, but my poor little mom was on a related drug, and she has had some bad experiences with it -- like walking down the road stark naked, etc. (I wrote something longer here, but suffice it to say, I was angry enough at her doctor that I was hoping he would attempt to strike me.) For all of the 'reefer madness' stuff there is, I have to say that this is a chemical as dangerous as meth, but worse because it is prescribed.

 

[al66pine]

re ^pix of 3 types of 'barriers'

At least the first two type of barriers don't look like they are actually going to stop a speeding car.

Agreed, looks to me like even a Mini-Cooper or ~ could hit those & drag them along for a distance.
Ditto pic #3.

ETA: from Bookboarder's post, a ref to wiki: "...most new modern traffic bollards installed along roadways today are made of materials that make them completely collapsible. When struck by a vehicle at low or high speed, the traffic bollard shell reverts to its original position with minimal to no damage to the unit.[SUP][10][/SUP][SUP]..." ^bbm

[/SUP] JM2cts, could be wrong.

 

[al66pine]

In Europe, many cities have barriers that can be raised and/or lowered to allow for or halt vehicular traffic. They are VERY, VERY strong-- some kind of reinforced metal...

From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollard

In action:
[video=youtube;mRPEW2OMIU8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRPEW2OMIU8[/video]

I've lived in several European cities and visited many more and they are everywhere. They use them for Farmer's Markets, busy days, etc.

Yes, have seen these in RL in Euro. & online. Maybe a Sherman tank can blow through.

For city or muni., my thought, prob = big-time money to install & maintain. Headache/logistics to operate?

How operated - staff on site at each location to lower, then raise? Remote like a garage door opener provided to __?
Like employer keycard to swipe? Access code provided to __ to punch & transmit from vehicle, and changed how often? Sorry, to be so non-tech conversant re ^.

Also, like a trolley-line or light rail-- only works where 'planted.' If parade or heavy-traffic event traffic flows on other routes, no help.

JM2cts, could be wrong.

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

Here's an explanation for the charges of second degree murder versus first degree murder.

http://news-9.com/her-face-was-blank-osu-parade-crash-driver-told-cops-she-was-suicidal/

Payne County District Attorney Laura Thomas told a judge at a bail hearing Monday that Chambers is “looking at four life sentences” if convicted of the murder charges. In Oklahoma, second-degree murder charges are warranted when someone acts in a way that’s “imminently dangerous to another person” but does so without premeditation. Each count is punishable by at least 10 years in prison.

 

[sonjay]

Yes, have seen these in RL in Euro. & online. Maybe a Sherman tank can blow through.

For city or muni., my thought, prob = big-time money to install & maintain. Headache/logistics to operate?

How operated - staff on site at each location to lower, then raise? Remote like a garage door opener provided to __?
Like employer keycard to swipe? Access code provided to __ to punch & transmit from vehicle, and changed how often? Sorry, to be so non-tech conversant re ^.

Also, like a trolley-line or light rail-- only works where 'planted.' If parade or heavy-traffic event traffic flows on other routes, no help.

JM2cts, could be wrong.

From the Wiki article, it sounds like the crash-resistant bollards are used primarily to hinder vehicle-based terrorist attacks. In the past, Europe has had to worry about that a lot more than the U.S., but that might be changing. It might be time for the U.S. to start taking these kinds of steps.

But parades and other big public events still have huge crowds of people on foot walking toward the event, and away from it when it's over. Bollards can be effective at keeping cars from ramming into buildings, but someone intent on ramming a crowd of pedestrians would still be able to find a way to do so.

Wiki says they cost from $11,000 to $100,000 each, depending on their ability to stop vehicles based on speed, with 50mph being at the top end - so, the $100,000 bollards would have been needed to have stopped this particular incident. And lots of 'em, to protect the whole parade route.

It sounds like the $100,000 is purchase price, so add to that the installation cost for each one, which would also be very expensive. And the maintenance costs. It sure wouldn't be cheap to install them everywhere that we have large crowds gather.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

Several pages ago, a poster wrote that Chambers was trying to flee the scene and had to be held down. They had lost the link to the source. I found a link, and a quote by the mayor.


Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin quote: "I have an actual person who talked to her and held her down after the accident occurred on the scene until police could arrest her"

Source: http://www.nwahomepage.com/news/police-investigate-parade-crash-community-mourns

 

[KaaBoom]

At least the first two type of barriers don't look like they are actually going to stop a speeding car.

Yeah, obviously it would have to be tested, to make sure that average size vehicles couldn’t break through it. The third one is actually designed really high so people couldn’t climb over it. That probably would not be necessary. But here is a similar type that should be effective in stopping something like this from happening.

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

So I guess she wasn't fired.

http://kosu.org/post/oklahoma-state-parade-crash-leaves-suspects-family-confused-devastated#stream/0

Early that morning, she went to work at Freddy’s Frozen Custard. In spite of initial reports of her being fired, her boss says she was a model employee. But about 10 a.m. that morning, thirty minutes before the crash, she left.

"It wasn’t anything sinister," says Coleman, who talked to her about that morning. "Her reason for leaving, wasn’t uh, it wouldn’t be a reason for a person to leave, but that will come out later."

 

[KaaBoom]

In Europe, many cities have barriers that can be raised and/or lowered to allow for or halt vehicular traffic. They are VERY, VERY strong-- some kind of reinforced metal...

From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollard

In action:
[video=youtube;mRPEW2OMIU8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRPEW2OMIU8[/video]

I've lived in several European cities and visited many more and they are everywhere. They use them for Farmer's Markets, busy days, etc.

Bollards are expensive and have to be pre installed. They are usually used for bus lanes, where the busses have a transponder to lower the bollard. I was just thinking of temporary barriers that could be set up around a parade route the night before. Then the police could close them just before the parade.

 

[KaaBoom]

re ^pix of 3 types of 'barriers'



Agreed, looks to me like even a Mini-Cooper or ~ could hit those & drag them along for a distance.
Ditto pic #3.

Those are used effectively in many countries to barricade roads. I saw them used in Japan. They work well.

 

[KaaBoom]

So I guess she wasn't fired.

http://kosu.org/post/oklahoma-state-parade-crash-leaves-suspects-family-confused-devastated#stream/0

There are witnesses that say she was fired. Regardless, something happened that upset her, and caused her to leave work.

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

http://www.kswo.com/story/30358611/osu-parade-driver-could-face-more-charges?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass

A fifth victim who was hurt when Adacia Chambers crashed her car into the OSU Homecoming parade crowd is reportedly in a fragile state Tuesday morning.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

In Europe, many cities have barriers that can be raised and/or lowered to allow for or halt vehicular traffic. They are VERY, VERY strong-- some kind of reinforced metal...

From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollard

In action:
[video=youtube;mRPEW2OMIU8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRPEW2OMIU8[/video]

I've lived in several European cities and visited many more and they are everywhere. They use them for Farmer's Markets, busy days, etc.

O/T... but... I LOVE your avatar and the candle in your siggy!

:heart:

 

[sonjay]

So I guess she wasn't fired.

Early that morning, she went to work at Freddy’s Frozen Custard. In spite of initial reports of her being fired, her boss says she was a model employee. But about 10 a.m. that morning, thirty minutes before the crash, she left.

"It wasn’t anything sinister," says Coleman, who talked to her about that morning. "Her reason for leaving, wasn’t uh, it wouldn’t be a reason for a person to leave, but that will come out later."

http://kosu.org/post/oklahoma-state-parade-crash-leaves-suspects-family-confused-devastated#stream/0

Well, that sounds uh, mysterious.

I wonder what that's all about.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

What happened to the early report that Adacia was asked to leave work because the manager thought she was on drugs?

 

[Detective Klimpt]

I and another poster had asked if Chambers had a breathalizer, but I don't think that has been answered until now.

Excerpt: His client had a standard field sobriety test, he said. "Her poor performance" on that test led officers to believe she was "impaired," he said.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/oklahoma-car-into-crowd/

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

^ I asked about the breathalyzer. Standard procedure at the scene when LE believes driver might be intoxicated.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

^ I asked about the breathalyzer. Standard practice at the scene when LE believes driver might be intoxicated. Thanks for the clarification.

Yes, me too. I was reading more about the Oklahoma laws. The standard sobriety test does NOT include the breathalyzer. If the subject fails the sobriety test, then they have to get the breathalyzer/blood/urine test. If they refuse that, then there are consequences (like jail). So, it looks like she failed the standard test, and then was taken to the hospital for the blood/breathalizer, etc.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

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In Europe, many cities have barriers that can be raised and/or lowered to allow for or halt vehicular traffic. They are VERY, VERY strong-- some kind of reinforced metal...

From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollard

In action:
[video=youtube;mRPEW2OMIU8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRPEW2OMIU8[/video]

I've lived in several European cities and visited many more and they are everywhere. They use them for Farmer's Markets, busy days, etc.

Wow - Those are amazing....thanks for posting this info bookboarder!