OK OK - Jamison Family: Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned 08 Oct 2009 - #12

[OkieGranny]

I couldn't find a red gps receiver either and I have not been able to locate the truck picture with the picture of it. If it looks somewhat large to be a cell phone as TooCurious mentioned, I'm kind of leaning toward it being a gps. But it seems like we should have been able to find the model on ebay or somewhere.

Here's a closeup from the pic:

There was some discussion in the earlier threads that the thing to the left of the phone/GPS might be the empty holster for the .22, but it looks like a leather cigarette case to me, the kind that snaps open at the top. Did Sherilyn smoke? I know Bobby did but am not sure about her.

ETA: We do have a photo of a list of items collected from the truck, and I just went to look at it to see if Sherilyn's phone or a GPS unit was listed. It's a very short list so I thought it must be Page 1 because the truck was crammed full of stuff. So I adjusted brightness and contrast on this photo to see if I could read the next page, but couldn't make out anything other than it was handwritten, unlike the page we can see, which leaves me in doubt that there is a Page 2 for the list of items taken from the truck.

 

[OkieGranny]

Questions about the Jamisons' cell phone pings have been raised many times, and we've had no answer for that. I have no idea if LE ever checked them, but did find this page:

Retention Periods of Major Cellular Service Providers

The Jamisons used AT&T and, if I'm interpreting this chart correctly, it looks like their pings after July 2008 should still be available. Also, text message detail should be available for 5 to 7 years, though text content is not retained.

 

[Mapman]

Here's a closeup from the pic:

There was some discussion in the earlier threads that the thing to the left of the phone/GPS might be the empty holster for the .22, but it looks like a leather cigarette case to me, the kind that snaps open at the top. Did Sherilyn smoke? I know Bobby did but am not sure about her.

ETA: We do have a photo of a list of items collected from the truck, and I just went to look at it to see if Sherilyn's phone or a GPS unit was listed. It's a very short list so I thought it must be Page 1 because the truck was crammed full of stuff. So I adjusted brightness and contrast on this photo to see if I could read the next page, but couldn't make out anything other than it was handwritten, unlike the page we can see, which leaves me in doubt that there is a Page 2 for the list of items taken from the truck.

Thanks for the good picture. It might be my imagination, but it looks to me like the holster might be a camo holster, and it looks to me like it might contain a black gps looking device. Part of the device would be sticking from the holster toward the red device. If it is not my imagination, my guess would be that the red thing is a phone and the black thing in the camo holster is a gps. I have not been following this forum from the beginning so I apologize if I'm talking about things that have already been thoroughly discussed. The list of items taken from the truck might be only what a secondary team took pursuant to a search warrant because we know that there were many more items in the truck, and it appears that the truck had been moved to a secondary location when this document was prepared. There is probably another inventory list somewhere.

 

[TooCurious]

Magellan explorist 100 2008/2009 model

 

[TheCrankyChef]

Here's a closeup from the pic:

There was some discussion in the earlier threads that the thing to the left of the phone/GPS might be the empty holster for the .22, but it looks like a leather cigarette case to me, the kind that snaps open at the top. Did Sherilyn smoke? I know Bobby did but am not sure about her.

ETA: We do have a photo of a list of items collected from the truck, and I just went to look at it to see if Sherilyn's phone or a GPS unit was listed. It's a very short list so I thought it must be Page 1 because the truck was crammed full of stuff. So I adjusted brightness and contrast on this photo to see if I could read the next page, but couldn't make out anything other than it was handwritten, unlike the page we can see, which leaves me in doubt that there is a Page 2 for the list of items taken from the truck.

I wonder what the papers were stained with? Coffee/soda stains or stains from the dog?

 

[OkieGranny]

I wonder what the papers were stained with? Coffee/soda stains or stains from the dog?

Good question. No one hardly ever mentions the dog anymore. There was quite a lot of discussion about her in the early threads, about how could she have survived eight days in the truck, and was she really in there the entire time? Because the interior of the truck didn't seem to be covered with little piles of poop and reeking from urine. As far as we know. There's no poop visible in the photos I've seen. She was supposedly eating it, but there was water from melted ice in the unzipped blue cooler that she would've been able to get to. It seems like there should have been a pretty good stench as soon as a deputy finally poked his head inside, but I haven't seen any first-hand description of what "evidence" the dog left. Once the truck was released back to the family, it surely would have needed some serious cleaning to get rid of the smell, but I haven't seen any mention of that either.

 

[little726]

Here's an interesting article on pigs eating humans. Are there any pig farms in the area where the human remains were found?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...s+&cd=35&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

 

[little726]

"Bones Don't Lie!" Good article on how bones decay over time!

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c.../+&cd=59&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

 

[Mapman]

Here's an interesting article on pigs eating humans. Are there any pig farms in the area where the human remains were found?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...s+&cd=35&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Creepy article. It confirms that not all pigs are like Maxwell on the Geico commercials – just kidding.

I don't have any knowledge of whether or not there are any commercial pig farms in that area. There would probably be a record of commercial operations because they would probably be licensed/regulated by the Oklahoma Department of Environmental Quality or the EPA or any number of other governmental regulatory agencies. On the other hand there are probably many small farm operations with one or more pigs at various times during a year that are not required to keep records or register with the state. You can go to any of the livestock auctions in the area and buy all of the pigs that you want to take home.

 

[OkieGranny]

Am very displeased that the Jamisons have been moved to the Missing But Not Forgotten forum. Our conversation seems to have ground to a halt since then. Although, to be perfectly honest, we are in desperate need of fresh info to chew on.

NS posted on her FB page that no one seems to want to talk about the Jamisons anymore. I do. I definitely do. I wish I could sit down with her and talk heart to heart and ask questions and see if together we could come up with some new angle to investigate, or some new detail, or clear up confusion about this or that, or just anything. Anything at all. But she has a lot on her plate right now, and it just doesn't seem right to ask.

I wonder if any zippers were among the clothing remnants found with the remains, and if they were in the open or closed position. As disturbing as it is to think that Sherilyn and/or Madyson may have been targeted by a sexual predator, that's really the only motive that makes sense to me right now. There are other possibilities, of course, but most of them are a bit more of a stretch to imagine.

 

[Mapman]

Am very displeased that the Jamisons have been moved to the Missing But Not Forgotten forum. Our conversation seems to have ground to a halt since then. Although, to be perfectly honest, we are in desperate need of fresh info to chew on.

NS posted on her FB page that no one seems to want to talk about the Jamisons anymore. I do. I definitely do. I wish I could sit down with her and talk heart to heart and ask questions and see if together we could come up with some new angle to investigate, or some new detail, or clear up confusion about this or that, or just anything. Anything at all. But she has a lot on her plate right now, and it just doesn't seem right to ask.

I wonder if any zippers were among the clothing remnants found with the remains, and if they were in the open or closed position. As disturbing as it is to think that Sherilyn and/or Madyson may have been targeted by a sexual predator, that's really the only motive that makes sense to me right now. There are other possibilities, of course, but most of them are a bit more of a stretch to imagine.

Does anyone know if LE was permitted to run their HR dogs and regular tracking dogs around the cabins and residences in the area?

 

[little726]

Am very displeased that the Jamisons have been moved to the Missing But Not Forgotten forum. Our conversation seems to have ground to a halt since then. Although, to be perfectly honest, we are in desperate need of fresh info to chew on.

NS posted on her FB page that no one seems to want to talk about the Jamisons anymore. I do. I definitely do. I wish I could sit down with her and talk heart to heart and ask questions and see if together we could come up with some new angle to investigate, or some new detail, or clear up confusion about this or that, or just anything. Anything at all. But she has a lot on her plate right now, and it just doesn't seem right to ask.

I wonder if any zippers were among the clothing remnants found with the remains, and if they were in the open or closed position. As disturbing as it is to think that Sherilyn and/or Madyson may have been targeted by a sexual predator, that's really the only motive that makes sense to me right now. There are other possibilities, of course, but most of them are a bit more of a stretch to imagine.

Granny, you are not alone in your displeasure! I just don't get it :tantrum:!!

Have you tried to get in contact with NS? I don't see why she wouldn't want to help!

On another note. Do you have the location of the first piece of property the Jamisons looked at? The location where their truck was found, was the second property they were going to check out. I would like to see how much distance is between the first and second piece of property.

 

[OkieGranny]

Does anyone know if LE was permitted to run their HR dogs and regular tracking dogs around the cabins and residences in the area?

Well, mtrooper said the FBI checked out all the cabins:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5622421&postcount=185.

I don't know about using dogs, though. I hope they did, but would be surprised to hear that they actually did take dogs to all of them.

Speaking of the FBI:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oklahoma-city-ok/TAG238Q0RV9NNM07K/p232

If the info in Post #4736 is accurate, it seems that the ever-helpful PC, a.k.a. The Lady on the Mountain, also cleaned the lodge where the FBI agents stayed during their investigation. Who apparently forgot to bring along a paper shredder and had to tear up discarded papers by hand. And PC allegedly spent hours taping those papers back together after retrieving the bits from the trash.

What I wouldn't give to get my hands on those!

 

[OkieGranny]

Granny, you are not alone in your displeasure! I just don't get it :tantrum:!!

Have you tried to get in contact with NS? I don't see why she wouldn't want to help!

On another note. Do you have the location of the first piece of property the Jamisons looked at? The location where their truck was found, was the second property they were going to check out. I would like to see how much distance is between the first and second piece of property.

Well, she's grieving, and I'd hate to be intrusive. Communication has been very, very sporadic. If we were in constant contact, I'd feel more comfortable about bombarding her with questions but, in this situation, she's the one who sets the boundaries, and I don't want to overstep.

She did send a couple of screen shots off the Jamisons' computer that gave information on two other properties. But the thing is, we don't know if those are properties the Jamisons planned to look at during that trip. They were not on the mountain at all, but off to the west of Highway 2, north of Robber's Cave:

It's possible the Jamisons had looked at those properties the day before they disappeared, as we know it was near dusk when they finally arrived on the mountain and decided to return the next day. According to Google Maps, it's about 12.6 miles from those properties to the truck location, and would take about 47 minutes to drive.

 

[Dallen]

Speaking of the FBI:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oklahoma-city-ok/TAG238Q0RV9NNM07K/p232

If the info in Post #4736 is accurate, it seems that the ever-helpful PC, a.k.a. The Lady on the Mountain, also cleaned the lodge where the FBI agents stayed during their investigation. Who apparently forgot to bring along a paper shredder and had to tear up discarded papers by hand. And PC allegedly spent hours taping those papers back together after retrieving the bits from the trash.

What I wouldn't give to get my hands on those!

Snipped

Oh geez. The PC alert just went off on my radar.

 

[Equinista]

Why oh why is it taking forever to identify those remains? Jamison or not those are 3 human beings and their identity needs to be known.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

Speaking of the FBI:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oklahoma-city-ok/TAG238Q0RV9NNM07K/p232

If the info in Post #4736 is accurate, it seems that the ever-helpful PC, a.k.a. The Lady on the Mountain, also cleaned the lodge where the FBI agents stayed during their investigation. Who apparently forgot to bring along a paper shredder and had to tear up discarded papers by hand. And PC allegedly spent hours taping those papers back together after retrieving the bits from the trash.

What I wouldn't give to get my hands on those!

This sounds fishy. They're the FBI. They couldn't commandeer a shredder from the police? Or borrow one from some office? Or just go hog-wild and buy one at WalMart?

Tearing up a lot of papers by hand takes forever. I'm sure the FBI are not being paid to spend their time like that. If the papers were that sensitive, why not just take them along and destroy them later? For that matter, are there no fireplaces in this lodge...?

 

[TobyWong*]

I was surprised the thread was moved too!
so many questions still unanswered. For some reason I dont get the feeling they walked the distance from truck to remains found spot. Im physically active and would enjoy that kind of hike but theres no way I would be able to force either of my boys at that age to go that far. which then reminds me of Madysons last pic. That would've been what my boys looked like if I was forcing them to keep moving but they didnt want to go any further.

I cant wait to hear all that was found with the bones, the position they were found in. The location they were found, to me, map/road wise almost seems like the obvious place to dump if you knew the area and were headed out of that immediate area. I can"t get w/ the exposer theory mostly as others posted that if you were lost/cold/hungry you would walk right back to the road that was on 3 sides of
where you end up.??

Did the lady on the mountain that Bobby talked to for over an hr and a half (iirc)ever say what they all talked about? that is a looong conversation to me. to long for just getting basic info about the area. Do we know if they were moving at the time of the call? walking or driving or sitting at the truck spot? i can see a call that long if they were lost and trying to find their way out w/ her help but I would think that would be knowledge we have by now.
Also is lady from the mountain talking about FBI cabin the same as lady who lived and knew the area and sometimes guided people around there, one and the same? or 2 different?

To me if it were someone that knew the family previous to this event, they would've searched the truck for that money. But then maybe they did'nt want to be caught spending it.? I don't know. Just strange all around.

 

[Soulmagent]

Topix ..

I really have to ask myself why ''peggy " would claim this . I also wonder when it was supposed to happen as this is still and open case and I really dont see the FBI shredding any report or document in a cabin relating to an open case, in the feild.

Unless maybe the FBI was hiding something but then I expect they would have took precaution to ensure it was never able to be pieced or taped together.

I do not believe the peggy and a roll of tape story.

 

[OkieGranny]

Yeah, the FBI story really does sound too good to be true. Just wishful thinking, wishing I knew more. The only part of PC's statement that I was able to see (on video) didn't say much:

http://youtu.be/p5v52oKZSMw?t=6m6s

He was upbeat and friendly. We talked a long time as I do with many folks. Most often I meet with people but he mostly wanted my GPS numbers so he could go find the land. He said he had a Blackberry phone with GPS on it, and they were adventuresome and wanted to check it out themselves. Unusual as I generally meet the people first but it was a private person selling the property and he didn't want to trouble me. I told him additional property was available within the Pine Mountain Ranch and if he decided the Marlow property wasn't exactly what he was looking for, I would take him to view other lots.

I forgot to mention that the two properties north of Robber's Cave that the Jamisons may or may not have been looking at during that trip were owned by SH, the Land Dirt Cheap guy.

http://www.land-dirt-cheap.com/

http://stores.ebay.com/land-dirt-cheap

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6084303&postcount=525.

I know that they had looked at other properties, but not sure which ones. She has some notes in her journal, and some e-mails from a real estate agent about a couple of pieces of property. The sheriff and I went out to another well site just North West of Robbers Cave state park, but still was in Latimer county. We know that they were interested in that piece only because she had the property info written in her journal. She also had the real estate guy's name in her rolodex on an index card (hand written).

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5821687&postcount=152.

They had also been in contact with another guy who was selling land, his name was Scott Honeycutt. I am thinking that they were originally going to look at his land on that Monday that was cancelled. When I spoke with Scott he could not recall talking to Bobby or Sherilyn, and stated that he emails a lot of people with information on property. His property that I believe they were going to look at is just northwest of Robbers Cave State Park. Sherilyn had some notes written down about the property. I went out there with the Sheriff and there is another well site on that property as well, but that one was active. Side note... We passed an abandoned meth lab on the way out there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121549&page=23.

Did more digging on the other properties they might have been looking at. Some strange stuff there. They had a card with some property listings and the phone number 1-800-278-8906. Interestingly enough if you google it there are a few classified listings using that phone number (which is on the phone bill multiple times might I add) and a website that appears to no longer be up and running, www.cclgtx.com. Not quite sure how it all comes together yet. But might be all connected to the other guy that had property for sale on eBay that they had been looking at. Land-dirt-cheap.com. That page is not fully functioning either. But was able to find some of land dirt cheap's previous sales of Latimer county properties on eBay.

Not to add to the weirdness or anything but the domain name www.cclgtx.com was deleted on Oct 5th 2009.

According to phone records, the Jamisons' last phone call to SH was on October 5, to a Texas area code. He lived in Emory, TX at the time, but now lives in Oklahoma, just west of the northern end of Lake Eufaula.

I did google that 1-800 number and found of SH's several websites:

http://countrylandcompany.com/Contact_Us_UIHU.html

http://www.CHOCTAWHOG.com/

http://americanmulefoothog.com/amf_004.htm

And then further down the rabbit hole:

http://tulsa.craigslist.org/fgs/4236728481.html

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm6D-WPyJyE7qwn32-SEk3w

http://www.qminderapp.com/business/Pine-Gulch-Catahoulas

Guy's got a lot of irons in the fire.