OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned, 8 Oct 2009 - #11

[wfgodot]

Wow, that sheriff... I'll just say that I don't have anything nice to say about him. He believed they were daily meth users based on what? Admittedly, I haven't studied every piece of evidence in this case, but I thought I read here that no meth or paraphernalia was found in their home. Is there a link somewhere to that effect?

Based on his knowledge of people I suppose. "Sorry no link."

 

[Dallen]

Jamison Family Mystery, broadcast by OETA on September 16, 2011

http://www.oeta.tv/component/video/2479.html


NAR: Star explains she was estranged from the couple in the months leading up to the disappearance because of Sherilyn's emotional problems. Niki says she last talked to her friend ten days before the family vanished.

NS: She showed up at my door with Madyson.

NAR: Niki says Sherilyn wasn't in her right mind, but she knows from her experience with meth many years ago that Sherilyn was not using.

Is anyone else bothered by this? A lot could've happened in those 10 days, but it goes to show that they were not in their sound mind. I didn't remember this part until OkieGranny's transcript. Has anyone seen NS further explain Sherilyn's behavior when she showed up at her house? I've tried to find it from statements or posts by NS when she was following here on WS and commenting, but can't seem to find anything.

 

[Skully]

I am not buying into the Mexican Mob theory, they would not leave behind all that cash and her money in her purse, and leave the dog in the car. They would get you in your home, kick down the door and behead you.

I think the picture of Madyson was taken after her dad is killed. I think mom did it and she took Madyson up into the woods and killed her. You can get rid of the bodies and as time goes on, the animals and nature make it hard to recover much. The question is, where is she? Did she kill her husband and then get rid of his body, take a photo of her daughter and then kill her and then walk some distance and kill herself.

The journal makes me think she went off the deep end. Losing that home, and going off the grid to live in a container, that would be enough for me and I am not Bi Polar. She didn't want her daughter in foster care, so I think she decided she had to take her life alone with her's and her busbands. JMO

 

[nevereverever]

I am not buying into the Mexican Mob theory, they would not leave behind all that cash and her money in her purse, and leave the dog in the car. They would get you in your home, kick down the door and behead you.

I think the picture of Madyson was taken after her dad is killed. I think mom did it and she took Madyson up into the woods and killed her. You can get rid of the bodies and as time goes on, the animals and nature make it hard to recover much. The question is, where is she? Did she kill her husband and then get rid of his body, take a photo of her daughter and then kill her and then walk some distance and kill herself.

The journal makes me think she went off the deep end. Losing that home, and going off the grid to live in a container, that would be enough for me and I am not Bi Polar. She didn't want her daughter in foster care, so I think she decided she had to take her life alone with her's and her busbands. JMO

bbm - How does this square with the remains all being found in the same general area 2.7 miles away from the truck (assuming the remains are the Jamisons)? I think murder-suicide is a viable theory in this case, but I don't see how it works logistically the way you have proposed.

 

[nevereverever]

Is anyone else bothered by this? A lot could've happened in those 10 days, but it goes to show that they were not in their sound mind. I didn't remember this part until OkieGranny's transcript. Has anyone seen NS further explain Sherilyn's behavior when she showed up at her house? I've tried to find it from statements or posts by NS when she was following here on WS and commenting, but can't seem to find anything.

Yes, it is troubling, I agree. It doesn't sound like she was regularly taking her medication which makes it really hard to know what state of mind she was in when they disappeared. She also could be swinging wildly from mania to depression, with some paranoid delusions thrown in the mix.

 

[OkieGranny]

Is anyone else bothered by this? A lot could've happened in those 10 days, but it goes to show that they were not in their sound mind. I didn't remember this part until OkieGranny's transcript. Has anyone seen NS further explain Sherilyn's behavior when she showed up at her house? I've tried to find it from statements or posts by NS when she was following here on WS and commenting, but can't seem to find anything.

Sherilyn was bi-polar and was not consistent about taking her meds. When she was taking them, her demeanor was relatively normal. But when she did not, she did experience the swings from manic (spray-painting the container in front of their home) to deep depression (the 11-page letter found in the truck).

NS said that Sherilyn had a habit of writing down whatever was going on inside her head. I can totally relate to that because I do the same thing when I'm having a bout of depression, as a kind of self-therapy. The difference between Sherilyn and me is that I type it all up in a text document to get whatever thoughts are weighing me down out of my head. And then I hit the delete button so that no one but me will ever see it.

If you kept reading, you saw that three days before they went missing, she wrote, "Bobby Jamison, a genius, a man with special gifts, a loving and tender soul. With all my love and soul always and forever, Sherilyn, Hippy Chic." It sounds like she was back on her meds. People who spoke to the Jamisons over those two days they visited the mountain reported that they seemed happy.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99103&page=11

I also think that they really wanted to start a new life, for what ever reason. They were happy when they went missing, the lady that served them breakfast 2 days in a row said so, the lady who spoke to them about the property for 101 minutes the day they went missing said so, and the guy that saw them up on the mountain said so. They were looking into home schooling for Madyson, and were at least for that day seemingly wanting to start over in the simplest way they could think of.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121549&page=4

The Jamisons stopped at his place (he had one his shipping containers down by the road) looking for directions the first day. Then they stopped back in the second day and chatted again. He said they seemed really happy and were excited about moving up on the mountain and getting away from the city. They made it sound like they wanted privacy.

This is why I don't believe it was a murder-suicide.

 

[CircuitGuy]

I think the picture of Madyson was taken after her dad is killed. I think mom did it and she took Madyson up into the woods and killed her. You can get rid of the bodies and as time goes on, the animals and nature make it hard to recover much.

If she were going to kill herself, what's the point in taking the picture of Madyson and leaving the phone to be found?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

If she were going to kill herself, what's the point in taking the picture of Madyson and leaving the phone to be found?

Just that, a memorial of sorts.

 

[elepher50]

Still no release on what was found with the family. Goodness, it would help form an understanding if there was some information forthcoming.

 

[Skully]

If she were going to kill herself, what's the point in taking the picture of Madyson and leaving the phone to be found?

I don't think people in this state of mind do things we understand all the time. It was just thought when I saw this child's face and her little arms in fold in front of her, as if protecting herself. Like a defense manner. There was a thread here from a few weeks ago about a father that killed his kids and then himself. He live near me. Everyone that live by him or knew him was shocked! The whole community was shocked. His kids were 8 and 11. He was getting a divorce. That was the stressor. A divorce. So people react so differently to things that go on all the time. I just felt she could have been in that place, depressed, losing her home, going off the grid, up and downs with her meds. Fearful about what would become of her child. JMO about this case. I didn't know remains were found. I saw the video and posted here about my thoughts. Were remains found? Is there a link? Thanks.

 

[Hatfield]

Thanks for the initial transcripts Okiegranny.

Just some initial thoughts so far.

I so far dont think murder/suicide yet because of the witness saying they seemed happy and normal when he saw them. I have a relative that takes physchotic medicine and when she doesnt take it, everyone knows it. Its like an on/off switch for her. She is either fine and fairly normal when taking her meds OR is a mean, nasty, disaster-waiting-to-happen person when she is off her meds. There is no inbetween with her.

So if Sherilyn was anything close to my relative, then it seems she was on her medicine, so am leaning not towards murder suicide just yet.

As far as the container/moving to wilderness thing, I can actually relate to that and I dont think it is really weird at all. It just seems like they were the type of people that have entertained living in a much cheaper cost efficient way "off the grid". Sort of like we see on those shows that have people preparing for disasters and they dig escape tunnels, train their families with weapons, have gas masks, etc. Most of the people on those shows are a lot more normal than you think. They just have a unique "hobby" or "interest" that is "different" than others. It doesnt mean they are crazy though. Although some people think people like that are.

And as far as the witchcraft spell thing, it sounds to me that the mother-in-law and even some neighbors may have had some "run-ins" with the Jamesons and I think perhaps Sherilyn would say things about putting spells on them to scare them and help to keep the people from bothering them.

The falling out with the mother-in-law sounds pretty serious and I am afraid that situation may have caused them to want to move "far away" because of that. In addition to the neighbor issues if any.

So what I am kind of seeing IMO is that a lot of what some may seem as strange all had some basis to it and I dont think it was as strange as things sound.

One part that scares me so far is the live in handyman. Chasing him off by having to fire a warning shot in the ground is very serious. That incident tells me that the situation was out of control by the time that shot was fired. Im wondering if there is any possible way that handyman knew of where they were going. The guy seemed like he had to have been homeless, so there is no telling where that guy was staying. I am sure he didnt forget about that incident and I wonder if he was waiting for a chance to get even with them.

Just some initial thoughts so far. Still need to watch the Utube episode and read up more on this case.

 

[OkieGranny]

I don't think people in this state of mind do things we understand all the time. It was just thought when I saw this child's face and her little arms in fold in front of her, as if protecting herself. Like a defense manner. There was a thread here from a few weeks ago about a father that killed his kids and then himself. He live near me. Everyone that live by him or knew him was shocked! The whole community was shocked. His kids were 8 and 11. He was getting a divorce. That was the stressor. A divorce. So people react so differently to things that go on all the time. I just felt she could have been in that place, depressed, losing her home, going off the grid, up and downs with her meds. Fearful about what would become of her child. JMO about this case. I didn't know remains were found. I saw the video and posted here about my thoughts. Were remains found? Is there a link? Thanks.

Yes, their remains have been found (pending positive ID) and reportedly there was no weapon found in the vicinity. Witnesses who spoke to the family immediately before their disappearance reported that they seemed happy, nothing out of the ordinary.

My hubby is a prankster, and I've seen that look on our kiddo's face many times. To me, it looks like Mom was taking the picture and Dad, standing off to the side, said something teasing. Madyson makes a sour face and says, "Oh, Daddy!" Or maybe Dad was taking was taking the picture and Madyson was telling Mom, "I'm getting cold!"

Something dire is not the only possibility. "Confirmation bias" has been mentioned a few times on this thread lately, and I think we all experience that to one degree or another with this case.

 

[Skully]

Yes, their remains have been found (pending positive ID) and reportedly there was no weapon found in the vicinity. Witnesses who spoke to the family immediately before their disappearance reported that they seemed happy, nothing out of the ordinary.

My hubby is a prankster, and I've seen that look on our kiddo's face many times. To me, it looks like Mom was taking the picture and Dad, standing off to the side, said something teasing. Madyson makes a sour face and says, "Oh, Daddy!" Or maybe Dad was taking was taking the picture and Madyson was telling Mom, "I'm getting cold!"

Something dire is not the only possibility. "Confirmation bias" has been mentioned a few times on this thread lately, and I think we all experience that to one degree or another with this case.

Hi Okie,
I didn't mean to offend anyone here, just didn't read the whole thread; my bad. I went back a few minutes ago and reread from the first pages and fond the news links. They very well could have locked the truck up and the dog and decided to go look for something or check something out and got lost in the woods and die from exposure. As for the gun, do they know for sure it was with them that day; meaning they took it with them? Anyway, glad the family finally knows where they are and can get some sort of closure. So many on here don't know where the love ones are.

 

[Dallen]

If you kept reading, you saw that three days before they went missing, she wrote, "Bobby Jamison, a genius, a man with special gifts, a loving and tender soul. With all my love and soul always and forever, Sherilyn, Hippy Chic." It sounds like she was back on her meds. People who spoke to the Jamisons over those two days they visited the mountain reported that they seemed happy.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99103&page=11



http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121549&page=4



This is why I don't believe it was a murder-suicide.

I agree with you. I remembered the letter putting Bobby on a pedestal, but had forgotten about the waitress' recollection of their behavior. It sounds like she had gone back on her meds over that 10 day span.

 

[Dallen]

One part that scares me so far is the live in handyman. Chasing him off by having to fire a warning shot in the ground is very serious. That incident tells me that the situation was out of control by the time that shot was fired. Im wondering if there is any possible way that handyman knew of where they were going. The guy seemed like he had to have been homeless, so there is no telling where that guy was staying. I am sure he didnt forget about that incident and I wonder if he was waiting for a chance to get even with them.

IMO, this incident is a huge red flag.

 

[OkieGranny]

Hi Okie,
I didn't mean to offend anyone here, just didn't read the whole thread; my bad. I went back a few minutes ago and reread from the first pages and fond the news links. They very well could have locked the truck up and the dog and decided to go look for something or check something out and got lost in the woods and die from exposure. As for the gun, do they know for sure it was with them that day; meaning they took it with them? Anyway, glad the family finally knows where they are and can get some sort of closure. So many on here don't know where the love ones are.

Oh, no worries. We just hang out here trying to sort it all out.

Apparently, Sherilyn was in the habit of carrying the pistol, but it has never been found. There was no weapon found near the remains, as far as we know.

There's just no way to tell if Sherilyn had the gun with her on that day, or what became of it.

 

[Mitch1]

Yes, their remains have been found (pending positive ID)

Hey hey now, that kinda sounds like confirmation bias to me.

 

[OkieGranny]

IMO, this incident is a huge red flag.

I agree. It's one theory I haven't been able to completely let go of. The FBI allegedly cleared him. I don't know what kind of alibi he gave and how carefully he was really checked out, but I just have to wonder...

 

[Hatfield]

Since its deer season now and since i have a lot of experience with hunting partners getting lost and myself getting lost before, I just want to share what I now carry when going out in any kind of woods or remote area. Hiking, hunting, fishing, etc.

The things I have learned over the years make me very cautious and very prepared. One of the easiest things to mess up on is even though you have the right supplies, you sometimes will just leave them behind to save weight because you are only planning on going in the woods a little ways and plan to be right back. Not sure if that happened in this case, but it is a very common mistake.

One time when I was bow hunting, I walked in the woods during the pitch dark moring hours and set my backpack and bow down to look around for a good tree to climb. I had a real small "worthless" pocket flashlight on me as I was walking around trying to find a good tree. Well, about 20 minutes later, I could not find my darn backpack that had my better flashlight in it. To make matters worse, my bow was resting on the backpack and I had to wait for the sun to come up before I could locate my backpack and bow. I waisted some good early morning hunting time because I stupidly walked away for just a few minutes and got "lost" per se. I didnt dare venture any further till the sun came up because I knew once it did, I could easily find my stuff. Just another example of how quick you can get "lost".

Anyway, back to what I now always carry with me.

-hand held GPS unit that I know how to use and always save a landmark position on the GPS at my truck parking spot before I go any further. I save the landmark, turn off the GPS and throw it in my backpack to take with me.

-Compass that allows me to find my GPS landmark (truck where i park). The GPS gives me the degrees to head (called a "bearing"), and it gives the distance to the landmark.
I like just pulling out the compass and heading to whatever degrees the GPS says to go.
For example, head bearing at 145 degrees for 1.5 miles. As I am walking out the GPS will show the distance gowing slowly down and I know I am heading to my truck. Its a nice feeling.

-A spare set of brand new batteries for the GPS.

-Waterproof Matches and a bic lighter

-Fire starter material like cotton.

-2 or 3 good small flashlights. Sometimes bulbs blow, and its just easier to have 2 or 3 of them handy.

-hand warmers

-knife

-my weapon of choice (im usually hunting...LOL)

-Ammo for weapon

-Blaze orange vest + hat (whether hunting or not), its usually good to wear during hunting season because you dont want someone mistaking you for a deer or turkey.

-Layered clothing so you can remove some and thow in backpack if you get too wam. You want to avoid sweating and getting any of your clothes damp.

-snack foods (chips, cookies, granola, jerkey etc.). food like that that you can throw in backpack

-1 quart water bottle with water (heavy). You can also buy those tablets to treat creek water or plan to boil water, but then you need some sort of pan. I carry the tablets.

Those are the main things I have in my pack, and Im probably not remembering something, but you get the idea. My pack is heavy, but its a nice feeling knowing I have most everything i need in case I need to spend a cold night or 2 in the woods. As you can see from this list, there is a lot to think about if you have to spend a night out there. Its a scary thing being in the woods at night. Its not fun if you are lost and it gets frightening.

Oh....by the way....HAPPY THANKSGIVING to our WS family. Everyone have a safe and fun holiday.

 

[Mitch1]

So my theory is still that they are alive and well, but I do want to throw something out there for consideration in regards to the remains that were said to be found. If those remains aren't in the location that they died in (the bodies or bones moved) perhaps this is someone's (rapist/serial killer) sick collection of people, then those remains could be 2 females and a little girl.