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They mentioned "a box"...that he gave this box to one of the victims and told them to make sure they deliver it to whomever he felt should receive this box of info.
I hope they don't disclose the info in the media. This is clearly what he wants...this martyr attitude that they are dying for a cause...
I don't need to know the cause. I'm "general population" and I, like most people,won't be conducting any studies as to "why".
The people who NEED to know can know his purpose, but anyone who isn't involved doesn't need to know...they WANT to know.
Don't give this any validation. Better yet...tell the media he said the reason he did it is because he is a coward...at least it would be honest reporting.
I suppose I could be considered biased as I'm from Oregon, but Sheriff Hanlin kicks a$$; what integrity and professionalism.
JMO
Technically, you can thank the US Supreme Court.
Of course "horribly distorted" does not begin to describe how gun owners are portrayed, but that's really neither here nor there.
Funny how some are so intent on making it "not about the shooter" but are perfectly content making it about inanimate objects and millions of friends and neighbors who are closeted gun owners.
Anyway - getting more back to the point of this site (I think) - any more social media information on him? He was big on torrents, but I can't sort out any theme or anything to his files.
I want to know about this "box." (Someone at the press conference asked about a flash drive or something similar that was given to someone.)
At the same, I don't know that my desire to know about it outweighs any possible need for restricting the information only to those who need to know.
I guess I feel the same way about guns: I might enjoy target shooting (in my limited experience with it), but my limited need for a handgun is outweighed by the many reasons I should not be giving money to gun manufacturers/the NRA, putting a weapon where it might be misused, etc. Maybe it's unAmerican of me, but I'm totally OK with relinquishing this "right" for myself for the greater good.
I'm not anti gun I am simply anti dead children.
Are you saying I should stop arguing my position because what's done is done? I love ya' human but that isn't logical. It may be more comfortable to those who feel secret reservations about contributing
to this creep's notoriety but keeping quiet about bad things that have happened just because the cat is out if the bag is the exact opposite of what needs to happen to affect change.
Im sorry if it annoys some people but I am going to continue to voice my very strong opinion that the tradition of contributing to these cowards' platforms and rewarding them with notoriety is damn dangerous and specifically fuels and inspires the next lunatic.
The gun culture in the US is not going to disappear quickly, if at all. We are not Australia or Japan. We have a long history of mythologizing and glamorizing guns. We are not going to undergo a massive overhaul of our mental health care system nor erase the stigma of mental illness overnight and it is debatable whether that would stop many of these massacres anyhow since many of these guys have zero, diagnosable mental illness.
But we can make quick and simple changes in media policy about giving these monsters "credit" for what they've done and thus inspiring the next one. If enough people shame the media into changing its policy, it can be done. Easily, quickly, without spending a dime and without changing any laws.
For goodness sake- rape or sexual assault victims aren't often named by the media for fear of shaming them. As if being a victim of a ex predator is the survivor's fault. But we can't refrain from glorifying mass Murderers?
No. I'm not going to be silenced on this one. I think there is something simple we can do right now to save lives. And I'm going I advocate that.
We don't need to learn one more damn thing about these individuals. The profile is pretty clear. Some variation but basically, we know exactly who they are:
1. Typically male.
2. Typically teens/twenties.
3. Socially awkward/isolated/neurological issue or mental illness.
4. Filled with a sense of impotence and insignificance.
5. Filled with rage.
6. Believe they are due accolades they have not received.
7. Desperately crave recognition.
NOTHING is gained by identifying these creeps. At least nothing that outweighs the absolute devastation that naming them causes. IMO.
Same. Maybe someday people will look at it this way and some changes will be made. We all take off our shoes at the airport now, right?
I'm a gun owner and absolutely comfortable being so. <modsnip>bluesneakers said:But he was a gun owner. He likely owned those guns legally, <modsnip>.
I'm not anti gun I am simply anti dead children.
I totally disagree with "accepting". Many many many people have rejected, objected, denounced, etc. this type of random violence and there have been many things done to try to stop it.
The formulation of having School Guards, School metal detectors, TSA-Transportation Security Administration, Homeland Security, etc. etc. are all steps that have been recently taken to try to prevent the next random murderous activity.
Are you saying I should stop arguing my position because what's done is done? I love ya' human but that isn't logical. It may be more comfortable to those who feel secret reservations about contributing
to this creep's notoriety but keeping quiet about bad things that have happened just because the cat is out if the bag is the exact opposite of what needs to happen to affect change.
Im sorry if it annoys some people but I am going to continue to voice my very strong opinion that the tradition of contributing to these cowards' platforms and rewarding them with notoriety is damn dangerous and specifically fuels and inspires the next lunatic.
The gun culture in the US is not going to disappear quickly, if at all. We are not Australia or Japan. We have a long history of mythologizing and glamorizing guns. We are not going to undergo a massive overhaul of our mental health care system nor erase the stigma of mental illness overnight and it is debatable whether that would stop many of these massacres anyhow since many of these guys have zero, diagnosable mental illness.
But we can make quick and simple changes in media policy about giving these monsters "credit" for what they've done and thus inspiring the next one. If enough people shame the media into changing its policy, it can be done. Easily, quickly, without spending a dime and without changing any laws.
For goodness sake- rape or sexual assault victims aren't often named by the media for fear of shaming them. As if being a victim of a ex predator is the survivor's fault. But we can't refrain from glorifying mass Murderers?
No. I'm not going to be silenced on this one. I think there is something simple we can do right now to save lives. And I'm going I advocate that.
I live with a constant threat of a stalker ex who has physically attacked me and violates restraining orders in ways that make it impossible to tie back to him. I would never relinquish my right to protect myself.
However, I do think more can be done to keep guns away from mentally unstable people. And I think more can be done for the mentally unstable. Setting thresholds for what that measurement would be seems like a daunting task. Getting people to comply with treatment plans is another daunting aspect. Mending a society that is currently very divided seems almost impossible.
I just wish I understood the limiting belief systems the people who carry these task out have? What must they really believe about themselves and society to think this is any type of answer?
This nation is going to hell in a hand basket. Whatever happened to land of the free, home of the brave? Why don't we hear about this type of violence in other countries? Am honestly glad to be as old as I am and won't be here much longer to witness the continued carnage of innocent people.